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To think that the majority of trans people are neurodivergent

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SlipperSliders · 22/06/2024 19:53

...and I sort of think it's a form of neurodivergence in itself.

By the way I'm trans affirmative.

I don't think I've met a trans person who I thought was neurotypical.

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HermioneWeasley · 22/06/2024 20:27

@CassandraWebb

some black people gave reclaimed the N word. Doesn’t make it not a slur. And it has been hugely appropriated by people who are straight - people using it to describe themselves because they are slightly gender non conforming, or have a fetish or whatever.

CassandraWebb · 22/06/2024 20:27

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer

@HermioneWeasley it seems to be a contested word but one that many use in a positive sense

Queer - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:27

CassandraWebb · 22/06/2024 20:24

I am so confused, a lot of people use queer in a positive sense now don't they? To describe themselves usually?

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There seem to be two very different groups.
L and G that say that Queer is a slur
and the Q+ that call themselves Queer.

AnneLovesGilbert · 22/06/2024 20:26

Ah x posted with Hermione.

AnneLovesGilbert · 22/06/2024 20:25

Hannah Barnes’s book looked into the stats on the Tavistock GIDS patients. Worth a read as this is something you’re interested in.

HermioneWeasley · 22/06/2024 20:25

Yes, the Cass review found people with ASD were massively over represented in the population.

Hannah Barnes found that experience of sexual abuse was massively over represented in girls being referred to GIDS.

being same sex attracted is also over represented among girls being referred.

CassandraWebb · 22/06/2024 20:24

HermioneWeasley · 22/06/2024 20:21

No, it’s a disgusting homophobic slur and I’ve reported that post

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I am so confused, a lot of people use queer in a positive sense now don't they? To describe themselves usually?

GreatSave · 22/06/2024 20:24

NHS England’s CASS review did show that ND people, especially girls are over represented at GIDS as are children who have suffered trauma or abusive backgrounds. I think I remember reading somewhere, possibly in Hannah Barnes’ book about GIdS, that there was a high number of referrals from Blackpool, one of the most deprived areas in England with the highest number of children in care.

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:24

SlipperSliders · 22/06/2024 20:23

What about LGBTQ+ ....what does the Q stand for??

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Depending on who you ask
Q = Questioning

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:24

HermioneWeasley · 22/06/2024 20:21

No, it’s a disgusting homophobic slur and I’ve reported that post

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But they seem to call themselves queer now which is what I meant. I don't understand why. Also its now LBTQ etc is the Q not standing for Queer?

EnglishBluebell · 22/06/2024 20:23

Apparently (I'm quoting an article I read, it's not what I myself have decided) the overwhelming majority of gay people are Autistic or undiagnosed Autistic

CaptainOliviaBenson · 22/06/2024 20:23

What is "trans affirmative"?

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SlipperSliders · 22/06/2024 20:23

HermioneWeasley · 22/06/2024 20:21

No, it’s a disgusting homophobic slur and I’ve reported that post

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What about LGBTQ+ ....what does the Q stand for??

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NamingConundrum · 22/06/2024 20:23

Guess depends what you consider the definition of neurodivergent. Many can't imagine thinking that way because they aren't trans, so I guess they're divergent. But thats only because the way they think and see things isn't considered the 'normal'. Personally I don't really see neurotypical as a thing. What if 60% of people were ND in some way, does that then become neurotypical as thats what most are?

Watermelonsregularly · 22/06/2024 20:23

My knowledge is limited, a psychologist explained to me, is that many ND people don't see gender in the binary way neurotypicals do.
Re language ( someone up thread mentioned) ASD is offensive to much of the autistic community given the word disorder.

Lovemusic82 · 22/06/2024 20:22

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 22/06/2024 20:17

The trans people I know have all been abused.

None of the trans people I know have been abused….I would say they are ND though.

HermioneWeasley · 22/06/2024 20:21

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:16

Just picking up on some of the language in this thread. Is queer now an acceptable term? In the 90s this was an all out insult. Need to update my mindset clearly so please educate me!

No, it’s a disgusting homophobic slur and I’ve reported that post

Sparklybutold · 22/06/2024 20:21

SlipperSliders · 22/06/2024 19:53

...and I sort of think it's a form of neurodivergence in itself.

By the way I'm trans affirmative.

I don't think I've met a trans person who I thought was neurotypical.

Those who identify as trans are more likely to be ND, female, teenager, history of trauma, to name a few. This isn't a surprise to anyone who's been following this.

Sozzels · 22/06/2024 20:21

Yep clear link. I again think for some folk it can be an identity issue - not feeling like fitting in, and having to change elements of self until they find somewhere they feel they belong. Imo

Lovemusic82 · 22/06/2024 20:21

I think so too. I think it’s down to not feeling you fit in anywhere, trying to work out who you are and the fact it’s being thrust upon young people too.

I am ND myself and always struggled to know where I fit in, followed many different styles and trends as a teen trying to find my own style. I’m sure if it was waves in my face as a teen I would have decided to be trans. I always fit in better with the boys, was/am a Tom boy. At the age of 42 is still often feel like I don’t fit in especially around females……though I am 100% female and not trans.

My dd is trans and also diagnosed ASD and ADHD.

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SlipperSliders · 22/06/2024 20:20

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 22/06/2024 20:17

The trans people I know have all been abused.

OK. What's your point?

I think that any difference in people is picked up on at a young age and that is an easy targeted for bullies and abusers.

I hope you're not ignorant enough to think that being abused causes being trans.

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Deebee90 · 22/06/2024 20:19

There is definitely a link. I know 10 people that all said they were trans and each one had either autism or Asperger’s. Thankfully each one saw sense.

BusyCM · 22/06/2024 20:18

I've said this before. 100% correlation in those I know too.

FeckOffNowLads · 22/06/2024 20:17

75% are autistic.

I think sometimes it’s a reflection of the parlous state of CAMHS in this country, my son is autistic and I’m assuming he will have a hard time as a teenager with hormones etc. I know there won’t be support for him, and I know that he will be vulnerable.

Daleksatemyshed · 22/06/2024 20:17

As I said, a lot of ND people feel they're different, they may find it hard to make friends or are bullied at school. No one wants to feel left out, everyone wants to belong in a group. People talk about being trans and some ND people think that's the answer, that's the reason why they don't feel accepted, because they should have been the opposite sex. They transition and find a new peer group but unfortunately some of them find it doesn't help so they change their minds.
I'm not saying it's the case for everyone by a long way but as you said yourself the ND do seem much more likely to see themselves this way. I hope that my bluntness isn't offensive, it isn't meant to be