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To think that the majority of trans people are neurodivergent

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SlipperSliders · 22/06/2024 19:53

...and I sort of think it's a form of neurodivergence in itself.

By the way I'm trans affirmative.

I don't think I've met a trans person who I thought was neurotypical.

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MisterMagnolia · 22/06/2024 21:01

I think that it may play a part on some cases and should be explored. However, this would need to be based upon scientific research rather than empirical evidence. My own individual opinion is therefore not worth a huge amount.

Pantaloons99 · 22/06/2024 21:00

@Diverze that's really interesting. What do you think led to that shift around 2015 onwards?

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/06/2024 20:59

Teacherprebaby · 22/06/2024 20:42

No it's not! Not anymore!

Definition: denoting or relating to a sexual or gender identity that does not correspond to established ideas of sexuality and gender, especially heterosexual norms.

It doesn't mean what it did in the 90s. It's also about the way it's used. Educate yourself before jumping to reporting 🙄

I'm afraid someone can't just decide that a homophobic term is now no longer homophobic and expect all gay people to merrily go along with it.

ThePenguinIsDrunk · 22/06/2024 20:59

I'm fairly sure that the stats agree that ND people are massively over represented within the trans numbers, particularly teen girls who are autistic and and struggle with not fitting in with gender norms and 'being trans' makes it make sense. I'm so glad I'm not a teen now.

Gymrabbit · 22/06/2024 20:57

TeenLifeMum

when you did your ‘research’ did you happen to ask any over 50s homosexual males or just blue haired narcissists?
All of the older gay males I know find the word horrifying but I suppose those men (many the trailblazers of the gay equality movement) aren’t important in your brave new world.

Diverze · 22/06/2024 20:57

Pre 2015 trans kids, mostly natal male and mostly very feminine presenting gay men in adulthood if unable to transition, no I don't think they are likely to be autistic. Like Blair White.

Natal female trans teens who don't express gender dysphoria in childhood, almost all autistic, or abuse history.

I work in autism and see the pattern. I don't think autistic people are inherently trans. None of them were, before about 2015. I think autistic people are looking for a reason why they don't fit in. They are more likely to be gender non conforming. I don't think being a non conforming female means you are actually male, or that you will find happiness there.
I find it really sad that I know quite a few amazing autistic women in STEM who could stand out as brilliant unconventional women succeeding in male- dominated study areas, who instead become ordinary "men".

I don't hate any body. I just find it very distressing.

Moidershewrote · 22/06/2024 20:57

nocoolnamesleft · 22/06/2024 20:29

I think the vast majority of teenagers being targeted by the TRA programming are vulnerable in some way, whether it be neurodiversity, previous abuse, social isolation, victims of homophobia etc. I want those children to be supported and protected and safeguarded. I want them to receive appropriate psychological and social support. I do not want them to be stampeded into a pathway of spiralling overmedicalisation and ultimately sterilisation and mutilation. Transition should only be for the tiny minority who actually have enduring gender dysphoria, not for the many children who feel alienated and lost, and think the trans umbrella is the yellow brick road to social approval and fitting in.

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CassandraWebb · 22/06/2024 20:57

HermioneWeasley · 22/06/2024 20:47

@Gruttenberg exactly.

I neither use the word nor see it as my place to police the use of it. It seems to me to be one that is debated within the homosexual community and I am quite happy to leave them to have the debate.

As the ladies in this letter point out, "gay" has been a pejorative term in the past too

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/15/were-here-were-queer-get-used-to-it

We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it | Letter

Letters: The word ‘queer’ has been reclaimed by members of our community since the 1970s and we now use it to signify pride, power and resistance, says Emma Joliffe

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/15/were-here-were-queer-get-used-to-it

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:57

TeenLifeMum · 22/06/2024 20:55

What do you think the “q” stands for in LGBTQ+? The word queer has been reclaimed by the community and is acceptable to use when said in a positive way.

I have done quite a bit of work on language I’m this area.

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What community?
the LGBTQ+ community doesn't exist except in the mind of the TQ+.

Many LG and B people do not want to be involved with the TQ+

ActivePeony · 22/06/2024 20:55

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:16

Just picking up on some of the language in this thread. Is queer now an acceptable term? In the 90s this was an all out insult. Need to update my mindset clearly so please educate me!

Many people find it offensive - me included. Especially so since most 'queer' people seen to be straight...

TeenLifeMum · 22/06/2024 20:55

HermioneWeasley · 22/06/2024 20:49

@Maternityleavelady I’m sorry your workplace has normalised homophobia 🤷🏽‍♀️

What do you think the “q” stands for in LGBTQ+? The word queer has been reclaimed by the community and is acceptable to use when said in a positive way.

I have done quite a bit of work on language I’m this area.

Pantaloons99 · 22/06/2024 20:54

@Otherstories2002 oh dear, that's not going to go down well 🤦‍♀️

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/06/2024 20:54

Livinginaclock · 22/06/2024 20:52

Or the Arts...

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female actors who’ve never dated anyone other than men but describe themselves as NB or queer seem to be a thing

especially if they come from a privileged background and are called Emma

Otherstories2002 · 22/06/2024 20:53

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Pantaloons99 · 22/06/2024 20:52

@QueenBodicea yes good point ref ADHD. I think my sons identity is very much wrapped up in being Autistic so we discuss him as being Autistic not having it. We don't really discuss ADHD in the same way. Although I'd say his life is definitely more ' disordered' by the struggles of ADHD!
Interestingly, my son doesn't mention any concern ref ADHD definition as much

Livinginaclock · 22/06/2024 20:52

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:50

I would have guessed charity sector.

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Or the Arts...

llamadrama16 · 22/06/2024 20:52

PermanentTemporary · 22/06/2024 20:17

Seeing ND girls and young women going for mastectomies and identifying as trans long before they can access any meaningful support for living as ND people in an NT world doesn't make me feel hate. It's fucking distressing.

Yeah this. I've just found out in AuDHD and I hated puberty. I remember hysterically begging my Mum to let me have my uterus removed when I was 13 so didn't have to continue having periods. I was very much a Tom Boy as a kid and remember being really distressed as a mid-teen thinking I was a lesbian. I loved (and still love) wearing men's clothes. I felt so so 'other' and had no way of knowing why. I have no doubt I could have turned towards identifying as transgender had I been going through my teens in 2021 instead of 2001.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/06/2024 20:52

young TM & TW yes I’d agree

late transitioning middle aged men?? Nope very much inhabitants of Malaga airport

Wontletmeusemynormalname · 22/06/2024 20:50

SlipperSliders · 22/06/2024 20:20

OK. What's your point?

I think that any difference in people is picked up on at a young age and that is an easy targeted for bullies and abusers.

I hope you're not ignorant enough to think that being abused causes being trans.

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She means by being abused they want to disassociate from their own being, by being another person.

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:50

Maternityleavelady · 22/06/2024 20:46

My colleague introduced herself as queer at our away day last week. No one batted an eyelid. Commonly used in my workplace (charity sector)

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I would have guessed charity sector.

Oreoqueen87 · 22/06/2024 20:50

FeckOffNowLads · 22/06/2024 20:17

75% are autistic.

I think sometimes it’s a reflection of the parlous state of CAMHS in this country, my son is autistic and I’m assuming he will have a hard time as a teenager with hormones etc. I know there won’t be support for him, and I know that he will be vulnerable.

What is your source for this data?

LindorDoubleChoc · 22/06/2024 20:49

I very strongly think most are old fashioned gay.

User20056 · 22/06/2024 20:49

I genuinely thought transgender and transsexual was all the same thing. I say trans sexual, I didn't realise this was offensive.

As I understand it, a transsexual is someone who was diagnosed with gender dysphoria and wants to appear as the opposite sex. Seem to be less involved in gender ideology and recognise their biological sex.

A transgender person is literally anyone who says they're something else.

People still go by transsexual, but transgender is more common now.

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:49

Teacherprebaby · 22/06/2024 20:42

No it's not! Not anymore!

Definition: denoting or relating to a sexual or gender identity that does not correspond to established ideas of sexuality and gender, especially heterosexual norms.

It doesn't mean what it did in the 90s. It's also about the way it's used. Educate yourself before jumping to reporting 🙄

So a certain group is pushing a change of definition on everyone.

I can't say that I am surprised. They have tried it before.

QueenBodicea · 22/06/2024 20:49

Pantaloons99 · 22/06/2024 20:38

@Hinkuy it's because of the word disorder. ASC is being more commonly adopted - condition.

It isn't your fault or anyone's because ASD is the term used on that MERK mental health manual or whatever it's called so that's the official term. I talk with my son who is Autistic and highly intelligent, perceptive and then realised myself, how awful to call this person disordered, because he's highly more capable and intelligent than alot of people out there. We also now just say Autism or ASC if needed. So that's the history on that one 🤷‍♀️😄

Edit - my son himself pointed out how highly offensive it is to him

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That's interesting and makes sense. Although, would that mean that ADHD should become ADHC?