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To think that the majority of trans people are neurodivergent

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SlipperSliders · 22/06/2024 19:53

...and I sort of think it's a form of neurodivergence in itself.

By the way I'm trans affirmative.

I don't think I've met a trans person who I thought was neurotypical.

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jenecomprendspas24 · 22/06/2024 21:12

Yep 100% of the young people I know who identify as trans are ND. It may or may not 🙄 be a coincidence that the dramatic rise of ND trans people has correlated with the tories disastrous cuts to education and support services. Lost kids, unsupported and having a miserable time, desperate to fit in. As a slight aside, I worked with a group of 20 young people aged 11-17 last year who were self harming, and without fail they were all ND too (and about 25% of them identified as trans).

Diverze · 22/06/2024 21:12

Pantaloons99 · 22/06/2024 21:00

@Diverze that's really interesting. What do you think led to that shift around 2015 onwards?

Social media. Queer theory. Stonewall, mermaids, Allsorts teaching pack. Rainbow family stuff. Social contagion.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/06/2024 21:11

TeenLifeMum · 22/06/2024 21:06

From pink news:
Current society largely accepts ‘queer’ as a general and umbrella term for the LGBTQ+ community, usually in a positive light.
The Cambridge and Merriam-Websterdictionaries even recognise it as so in their definitions of the word, whilst still acknowledging people can find it offensive.

What 40 year olds need to understand is that the slur used against teens in school when being bullied is not “queer”, it’s “gay”. This is the reason many younger people feel happier with queer than gay.

Pink News is a vile excuse for a news outlet, and is frequently lesbophobic and misogynistic. You are not the expert in gay attitudes you seem to think you are.

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/06/2024 21:11

MadameMassiveSalad · 22/06/2024 20:34

These guys are not the reason people are getting concerned!

Young adults can be very vocal. Gender critical university lecturers Jo Phoenix (OU) and Kathleen Stock (University of Sussex) were both hounded out of their posts.

TeenLifeMum · 22/06/2024 21:09

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 21:08

I doubt any of my gay friends would feel Pink News to be representative of their views either

Cambridge dictionary is quite helpful though.

arethereanyleftatall · 22/06/2024 21:08

Op - you seem so blinded in your rage against 'transphobes', that you've missed 'transphobes' point.
Yes, it's very common knowledge that many autistic girls think they are trans because they are struggling to fit in.
'Transphobes' are fighting FOR these girls, to not do anything whilst they are growing up, that they will regret down the line.

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 21:08

TeenLifeMum · 22/06/2024 21:06

From pink news:
Current society largely accepts ‘queer’ as a general and umbrella term for the LGBTQ+ community, usually in a positive light.
The Cambridge and Merriam-Websterdictionaries even recognise it as so in their definitions of the word, whilst still acknowledging people can find it offensive.

What 40 year olds need to understand is that the slur used against teens in school when being bullied is not “queer”, it’s “gay”. This is the reason many younger people feel happier with queer than gay.

Ah yes the unbiased news source that is pink news.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/06/2024 21:08

SlipperSliders · 22/06/2024 20:14

@glittercunt

But it's important that people don't equate someone being ND as meaning their sexuality or gender identity is therefore somehow invalid.

Yes I whole heartedly agree.

I just wonder if some transphobic people may hate less if they realised that they are being hateful to a group of marginalised ND people.

Edited

People who genuinely hate trans people will probably not care that they are being hateful to a group of marginalised ND people.

Sex realists, who I suspect you mean when you say 'transphobic people' (please do correct me if I'm wrong), would say that whether a trans person is ND or not is irrelevant- they deserve respect as all humans do, but they still can't change sex, and, if they are male, they should still stay out of female-only spaces and sports.

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 21:08

TeenLifeMum · 22/06/2024 21:06

From pink news:
Current society largely accepts ‘queer’ as a general and umbrella term for the LGBTQ+ community, usually in a positive light.
The Cambridge and Merriam-Websterdictionaries even recognise it as so in their definitions of the word, whilst still acknowledging people can find it offensive.

What 40 year olds need to understand is that the slur used against teens in school when being bullied is not “queer”, it’s “gay”. This is the reason many younger people feel happier with queer than gay.

I doubt any of my gay friends would feel Pink News to be representative of their views either

FrancescaContini · 22/06/2024 21:08

Sparklybutold · 22/06/2024 20:21

Those who identify as trans are more likely to be ND, female, teenager, history of trauma, to name a few. This isn't a surprise to anyone who's been following this.

No, not a surprise at all.

Rippledipple · 22/06/2024 21:08

Yes the increase is largely related to girls wanting to become boys, all that I know are autistic. I'm neurodivergent myself - not of the generations for any of this stuff but of the generation when cosmetic surgery was booming. I had body dysmorphia and was desperate to get 'work done' Two sides of the same coin IMO.

Sam0207 · 22/06/2024 21:07

I was raised by two Mum's through the 80's so have a history with appropriate language and the changing acceptance of words.

My son is ND (ASD and SPD dx), Trans (with a Gender Dysphoria dx) and a history of trauma (PTSD dx).

He and all of his friends use Queer freely. Freaked me out at first as I was raised that Queer was a derogatory term.

I'm studying at the most liberal PC Uni, I mean its so PC you are not allowed to use the word "straight" to describe your sexuality (because of the connotations to the history of LGBTQ+ people being described as "bent" as a slur). My lecturer explained that the word Queer has now come to represent anyone who is not hetro-normative. IE LQBTQ+, Enby, ACE etc etc. And that the word is being reclaimed by the Queer community much the same way that the pink triangle was reclaimed by Lesbians and Gay Men in the 80's.

The "Q" in LGBTQ+ used to mean Questioning.

I've just written my thesis based around Trans Youth and the studies do show that ND AFAB's are much more likely to identify as Trans (FtM) than any other group.

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 22/06/2024 21:07

SlipperSliders · 22/06/2024 20:14

@glittercunt

But it's important that people don't equate someone being ND as meaning their sexuality or gender identity is therefore somehow invalid.

Yes I whole heartedly agree.

I just wonder if some transphobic people may hate less if they realised that they are being hateful to a group of marginalised ND people.

Edited

Yawn.

I am autistic, I have known I am autistic a very long time now, and the reason I have a problem with gender identity ideology is because I see young autistic women being persuaded the secret to their unhappiness is hormonal and surgical body modification, including hysterectomies.

You can call me transphobic all you like, you're not going to make me believe that young women with disabilities being encouraged to sterilise themselves is a good thing.

While we're on this subject, I'm not sure whether it's more maddening or amusing that trans activists like to squeal "you don't want trans people to exist", because if I was even five years younger, I know I would have identified as trans. That would have put me on the pathway to a mastectomy, cross-sex hormones (damaging my fertility) and a hysterectomy, which would then have led directly to my children not existing.

NinaPersson · 22/06/2024 21:07

I know one trans person and there is definitely ND present, and mental health issues

TeenLifeMum · 22/06/2024 21:06

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 21:03

Most of the gay people I know are over 40 and not one of them considers queer to be an acceptable word

From pink news:
Current society largely accepts ‘queer’ as a general and umbrella term for the LGBTQ+ community, usually in a positive light.
The Cambridge and Merriam-Websterdictionaries even recognise it as so in their definitions of the word, whilst still acknowledging people can find it offensive.

What 40 year olds need to understand is that the slur used against teens in school when being bullied is not “queer”, it’s “gay”. This is the reason many younger people feel happier with queer than gay.

queer

1. having or relating to a gender identity or a sexuality that does not fit…

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/queer

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 21:06

TeenLifeMum · 22/06/2024 21:01

Our workplace lgbtq+ network is very active and includes people who are lgb and my own daughter feels part of this community as a lesbian, but I’m aware of the complexities. Pride marches suggest there are those that support this and my point about the word queer not being offensive now in 2024 still stands.

How many would be active in the "network" if they had an option of just an LGB network?
We will never know because the LGB network has been hijacked by the TQ+.
As for pride there are many LGB people that won't go because they don't support it or because they are scared of some of the "community".

Helpimfalling · 22/06/2024 21:05

Lovemusic82 · 22/06/2024 20:21

I think so too. I think it’s down to not feeling you fit in anywhere, trying to work out who you are and the fact it’s being thrust upon young people too.

I am ND myself and always struggled to know where I fit in, followed many different styles and trends as a teen trying to find my own style. I’m sure if it was waves in my face as a teen I would have decided to be trans. I always fit in better with the boys, was/am a Tom boy. At the age of 42 is still often feel like I don’t fit in especially around females……though I am 100% female and not trans.

My dd is trans and also diagnosed ASD and ADHD.

I could have wrote this myself, if it was an option in my day I would have thousand percent became a boy.

I now have four children and thank the lord I wasn't born in our current era.

My son and my dad and my brother are all ND I'm presuming the same of myself.

It's scary world we live in where that's now the first option.
I could have been sitting here with a penis now instead of with my four wonderful children.

uhOhOP · 22/06/2024 21:05

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 22/06/2024 21:02

I'd guess the rise of social media.

Yes, I was thinking specifically Tik Tok.

Pantaloons99 · 22/06/2024 21:05

I had no idea about this - the word queer.
I guess it all feels very patronising having everyone lumped together under LGBTQ

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 21:03

Most of the gay people I know are over 40 and not one of them considers queer to be an acceptable word

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/06/2024 21:02

TeenLifeMum · 22/06/2024 20:55

What do you think the “q” stands for in LGBTQ+? The word queer has been reclaimed by the community and is acceptable to use when said in a positive way.

I have done quite a bit of work on language I’m this area.

Hello, I'm an actual homosexual. There is no such thing as an LGBTQ community, and I do not find the word 'queer' to be acceptable, no matter how it is used. Many gay people agree with me, many disagree- more proof that there is no such thing as a homogenous LGBTQ community.

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 22/06/2024 21:02

Pantaloons99 · 22/06/2024 21:00

@Diverze that's really interesting. What do you think led to that shift around 2015 onwards?

I'd guess the rise of social media.

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 21:02

TeenLifeMum · 22/06/2024 20:55

What do you think the “q” stands for in LGBTQ+? The word queer has been reclaimed by the community and is acceptable to use when said in a positive way.

I have done quite a bit of work on language I’m this area.

Who made you the arbitrar on this issue

TeenLifeMum · 22/06/2024 21:01

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:57

What community?
the LGBTQ+ community doesn't exist except in the mind of the TQ+.

Many LG and B people do not want to be involved with the TQ+

Our workplace lgbtq+ network is very active and includes people who are lgb and my own daughter feels part of this community as a lesbian, but I’m aware of the complexities. Pride marches suggest there are those that support this and my point about the word queer not being offensive now in 2024 still stands.

Willyoujustbequiet · 22/06/2024 21:01

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