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peopleareinsane · 22/06/2024 09:32

Yesterday at my son's sports day a family brought an bully type dog onto the field in amongst the kids activities. Am I mad in thinking this is just twatish behaviour. Not all kids like dogs and they had it amongst everything, put me totally on edge.

I'm now at my daughters ballet class and sat in the wait room full of babies and toddlers and a dad has brought what I am sure is an XL bully in this room. It's tugging on the lead wanting to get off and is getting increasingly agitated.

What would you do? Are some people total fucking morons or aibu?

OP posts:
fusspot786 · 22/06/2024 17:33

Velicirapitor · 22/06/2024 13:59

I really hate these big dogs. They should all be completely banned. If you want a biggish dog get something like a golden retriever. We have a miniature poodle, who wouldn’t say boo to a goose.

See this is where it's get silly.
I have a bull breed. He's daft and he's powerful, but he isn't aggressive. We take all of the proper precautions. Always on a lead in public. And still people think they should be 'banned'.
If you're going to make these idiotic, generic statements at least do your research. Poodles and dachshunds have more reported attacks than English bull terriers who are no doubt part of this 'big breed' you think should be banned.
I hate XL bullies fwiw. They shouldn't exist. But banning all 'big dogs' is just fucking stupid and detracts from the actual problem.

turbonerd · 22/06/2024 17:27

TheTartfulLodger · 22/06/2024 11:14

But you've never had a dog before. How do you know it was aggressive and they weren't just sizing eachother up roughly? Have you actually seen what a bitch does to it's pups to teach them?

That is: they were sizing eachother up roughly inside the gated play area. Where small children and toddlers are supposed to be able to play safely without massive dogs trying to work out who’s the alpha 🧐

CellophaneFlower · 22/06/2024 15:54

SpicyMoth · 22/06/2024 13:11

YABU unless you also feel the same around German Shepherds, Dalmatians, Malinois, Huskies, Malamutes, Chow Chows, Boxers, Great Danes, Newfoundland's, English Mastiff's, the list goes on.

Except every week there's a new report of an XL bully attack. Thankfully it's mostly their dickhead owners they're attacking though. I've yet to see multiple reports of newfies or dalmations maiming or killing people.

Cooper77 · 22/06/2024 14:37

God, some people really are beyond belief. Ever since the XL bullies hit the news, I've seen them everywhere. It just shows the cretinous mentality of so many people. I think a big part of it is attention-seeking. There is a guy near me who owns three massive husky dogs. He struts around the neighbourhood with his shirt off waving to people and trying to start conversations. He's clearly just an attention-seeking twat. I've never spoken to him, but I'll lay money he's the kind of man who disagrees with everything you say, just for the sake of it. You know the type.

You see this all the time. I mean people who will do anything to make themselves the centre of attention. What's the worst thing you could bring to a field filled with small, vulnerable, quick-moving children? Well, a massive, vicious dog. So that's what they do. Why? Well, because everyone will be looking at them. Same goes for those idiots who drive around in cars with screeching, souped-up engines, or modified exhausts that crackle and explode. What happens when you drive around in a car like that? Everyone looks at you of course. And people like that would rather get attention for the wrong things than no attention at all.

There's nothing worse than people with low IQs but massive egos. On the one hand, no one listens to them (because they're ignorant and boring and rude), but on the other, they have huge egos and so want attention. If they can't get your attention through what they say, they'll get it through what they do. One way or another you're going to look at them. The idiot who brought that dog to the sports day is no different to an obnoxious child who keeps showing off or won't stop crying even though nothing is wrong.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 22/06/2024 14:37

peopleareinsane · 22/06/2024 11:53

Yes I left. And have reported it to the ballet school. I wasn't sure that you could report this to police as is it a crime. Now I know that I can call so next time I will.

It's not too late to report it to the police now. Most police areas have their own online reporting system. If there is a next time, try to get a photo of the dog and owner, to help them trace them more easily.

Pickled21 · 22/06/2024 14:36

I think you did the right thing. You could have interrupted the ballet class and asked to speak to the teacher but the teacher could have also stopped the class and reminded the parent that dogs aren't welcome and asked them to leave. The onus (I would say) is on him or her to take the lead on topics like this. Had you challenged them yourself then it likely wouldn't have gone well (you're on level footing not the leader of the class) also they are stupid enough to think this is appropriate behaviour. That being said I would have spoken up simply because I don't think it's an appropriate place for any dog to accompany their owner.

We have had numerous parents who decide to bring their dog on the school run and into the playground. Despite complaints the school only did something about it when owners were not picking up their dog poop. Now some will tie them up to the gate as you enter the school, having no consideration that whilst their kids might not be bothered by dogs some very much are! It's entitled, selfish behaviour but that just seems like the world we live in now.

Clearinguptheclutter · 22/06/2024 14:21

School grounds this would absolutely not be tolerated

I’m actually pretty relaxed about dogs in indoor settings and would personally have no issue with a small well behaved creature watching the ballet
XL Bully not so much
of course where do you draw the line -
so they should probably just be banned completely

Fraaahnces · 22/06/2024 14:17

You should have videoed it - also I hope there is cctv in this place. I would call the police and ask them to request it and report these fucking idiots and their dangerous dogs.

Velicirapitor · 22/06/2024 13:59

I really hate these big dogs. They should all be completely banned. If you want a biggish dog get something like a golden retriever. We have a miniature poodle, who wouldn’t say boo to a goose.

JammyJellyfish · 22/06/2024 13:59

SpicyMoth · 22/06/2024 13:11

YABU unless you also feel the same around German Shepherds, Dalmatians, Malinois, Huskies, Malamutes, Chow Chows, Boxers, Great Danes, Newfoundland's, English Mastiff's, the list goes on.

Dogs (any breed!) off lead amongst excited, loud children trying to enjoy their sports day should not be allowed. Same goes for school premises and children's classes. The owners who think this is a cracking idea are usually the ones who have no control over their animal (sorry, fur baby ).

p.s. a 'family pet' Malinois just mauled a baby to death in Coventry.

Mumsgirls · 22/06/2024 13:46

More fool you op. Days after another baby was killed. In each case I would immediately has gone to the person in charge and demanded that the dog be removed as the risk to me and my child is unacceptable. I would not care if the stupid idiot was not happy. He can risk his own family but not mine.

SpicyMoth · 22/06/2024 13:42

peopleareinsane · 22/06/2024 13:14

Yep I do. If I couldn't pick up a dog and throw it across the room if it was attacking me I don't want my children near it.

Entirely fair enough then tbh!

FallingIsLearning · 22/06/2024 13:36

No, YANBU.

The only dog allowed in our school grounds is a therapy dog. Family pets are not permitted, regardless of breed.

Thinking of my daughter's dance school, I wouldn't bring a dog into the waiting area - it is packed, noisy and full of small people moving quickly and erratically, some of which are likely to want to interact with the dog with varying degrees of kindness and calmness.

Sossijiz · 22/06/2024 13:33

Setyoufree · 22/06/2024 11:05

What? So if a cafe says dogs welcome, and my well behaved dog lies under my table and minds her own business, you say I should have just left her at home?? 🤨

Yes, because if you can bring your dog in, other people will bring in their less well behaved dogs. And your dog might not carry on minding her own business if another dog comes in and decides to start a barking context.

parkrun500club · 22/06/2024 13:29

No people are no insane. But it's a cult. We all have to worship on the cult of the Dog.

The Dog has to be allowed everywhere and if you don't like them, tough. If you scared you need to get help for your anxiety.

Heaven forbid that people get a Dog if they know how to look after it properly :(or are willing to learn) and train it so it can stay at home for a few hours.

FTPM1980 · 22/06/2024 13:28

AirportObs · 22/06/2024 10:33

Over Easter I was in a local park to my mum’s house (a housing estate). We were all in the playground surrounded by a fence. A lady walked up with a young XL. She didn’t enter the park. The dog was not on a lead. She was on her phone and the dog was wondering almost pacing outside the fenced area. I called my husband who had gone back to my mum’s to use the toilet and said loudly there is an XL bully off lead here, don’t want down. The lady obviously heard me and walked over to the dog put it on its lead and she walked off. We waiting behind the fence , my husband did come down and then called us out once he could see the dog was gone.

we were all petrified. My brother in law how is a GP (he was back at the house and we had taken his kids out) said he hates parks as he has had so many kids in with complications from dog bites.

I think this is an extreme reaction to a dog who is behaving perfectly normally.

However I walked my puppy through the local park last week. We haven't been to many parks and she doesn't know many children, so partly to she has she was and work on training. She was on lead and it wasn't a busy time of day but there wered families around. Two groups of children wanted to come a stroke her. The older ones (4/5 upwards) perfectly fine and asked first but there was a tiny toddler who kept trying to follow and grab her. Dog was backing away. It made me very nervous as a scared dog is an unpredictable dog, but I was trying to gently hold this toddler back.

Likewhatever · 22/06/2024 13:24

People are nuts about their dogs. They’re animals, they don’t need a holiday, they don’t need to accompany their owners to go shopping or eat out or anywhere else that isn’t a walk. World’s gone mad.

Whalesong · 22/06/2024 13:22

eggplant16 · 22/06/2024 13:18

Saw one of the XL Bullies the other day with a muzzle on. Obviously just had pups. Small children in the family.

Its awful.

Did you report it to the police? They had to be sterilised before the end of last year and it's a crime to let them breed.

Justnot · 22/06/2024 13:22

I was bitten by an off the lead huskie last year - he went for my dog and bit me 3 times in the process. Since then I have a bit of a panic every time I see anything apart from a small dog off the lead. If it even looks slightly like a bully I basically shit myself and run away. I am hyper alert when I walk my dog and find myself coming up with ridiculous plans to save me and my dog (jumping over a fence, throwing my dog over a fence etc) even if my head says it’s alright, my body panics, heart thumping like I’ve run up some stairs. I’ve run and hid in the park toilet from a big staff off the lead - who apparently is lovely but my body just says run.

The huskie dog bite in itself was not that bad, but the thought of what a bully type dog could do off the lead scares the shit out of me. I honestly worry more about dogs on my night time dog walk then I do strange men

Whalesong · 22/06/2024 13:20

fusspot786 · 22/06/2024 11:30

I would just add that not all 'bull breeds' are born equal by the way. Staffordshire bull terriers and English bull terriers are not the same as an XL bullies which seem to have been almost man made and designed to be aggressive.
So I'd try and be a bit clearer about the type of dog you're talking about before making a complaint. Of course all dogs, regardless of breed, should be on a lead in public. There's also no need for any dog other than an assistance dog to be in a ballet class. But you can't just go around saying 'the dog was a powerful bull breed therefore it must be dangerous' - that's simply not the case.
I say this as someone who owns a bull breed but also hates XLs with a passion.

No, you're right, Staffordshire bull terriers aren't the same as an XL - they're worse because they're exempt from the Dangerous Dogs Act following pressure from breeders in 1997, despite being a type of pit bull. Following the staffy exemption, dog attacks surged by 76% in 10 years, as staffies became more and more popular as one of the few pit bull breeds without restrictions.

According to a parliament committee report from 2018, staffies are responsible for 43% of all dog attacks in the UK, and had by then caused 6 deaths. Since the report, at least 5 further Staffies or staffy cross dogs have been involved in fatal attacks.

IMO they should be banned, just like other pit bulls, XL etc. Not because of one single outlier event, but because they're by far the breed that is behind most dog attacks, and regularly cause fatalities.

I'm sure the owners of Fizz and Dotty that killed a baby boy in December 2018 thought they were cute and fluffy too...

eggplant16 · 22/06/2024 13:19

UserNumber56 · 22/06/2024 13:17

I agree. Huskies should NOT be kept as pets! The breed is utterly unsuitable for that purpose. I guess the puppies look cute and people don't look beyond that. Madness.

Poor, poor things. Totally unsuitable choice.

eggplant16 · 22/06/2024 13:18

Saw one of the XL Bullies the other day with a muzzle on. Obviously just had pups. Small children in the family.

Its awful.

Procrastinates · 22/06/2024 13:17

peopleareinsane · 22/06/2024 13:14

Yep I do. If I couldn't pick up a dog and throw it across the room if it was attacking me I don't want my children near it.

Would you genuinely have started this thread though if there had been a dalmatian at the sports day or a Greyhound at the ballet?

UserNumber56 · 22/06/2024 13:17

AmiShitsaline · 22/06/2024 09:59

Huskies are lovely looking dogs but have also killed a baby a couple of years ago.

I agree. Huskies should NOT be kept as pets! The breed is utterly unsuitable for that purpose. I guess the puppies look cute and people don't look beyond that. Madness.

FluffyJellyCat · 22/06/2024 13:17

BrutusMcDogface · 22/06/2024 09:34

I would probably email the manager of the dance school re: dog waiting for toddlers to finish ballet. How awful.

Do this. Complain. Ballet is for kids not dogs. Dog can wait outside.

I'm surprised the dog was allowed at school. Complain to both saying that your inclined to take your child to another ballet class, you don't feel comfortable at school with dogs about.

At one of my boys private SEN schools you can take dogs in. Because the teachers bring the dogs to work. But if they are well behaved. If they started to bark tug etc they would be asked to leave. But this is independent school. I'm surprised state allow it tbh.