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Was I rude..? And what to do next?

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BassPlayerWanted · 22/06/2024 09:12

For clarity, I don't think I was but I also don't feel comfortable about the situation two days later so I'm just looking for other perspectives.

I do an activity. The 'outing hobby I'm not going to name' 😉. There are four of us - me and three men. I'm close to two of the men. The other, I regard as a bit of a dick but he really wanted to be part of it and so I relented - that was my first mistake...

He has a partner of 3 years. Their relationship can be best described as something out of a 70s sitcom. It's all a bit she 'nags' him for being a bit useless; he responds pipe down woman. That type of thing.

Anyway, other people's relationships aren't my concern (but it's relevant) , so I'll get to the point.

The four of us met up for the activity this week. He entered the room criticising his partner in a 'lighthearted' way - she'd nearly kicked him out this week but it's OK because, "now she's back on her tablets now so she's happy again." 🙄 (this is also relevant).

So he'd already irritated me by this comment. Her medication is none of our business, neither is their shitty relationship and telling us she nearly kicked him out and framing it as a 'her' issue pissed me off. I made a comment to show I thought it was inappropriate but didn't challenge further (because not my business) and he left it.

Towards the end of the evening, I tried to say, "I'm going to be full on at work for the next few weeks so I won't be available," and to propose the next steps in lieu of that. That was it. I started to speak. The first two men looked at me to listen, he started fiddling with stuff, not listening to me and not paying attention and making noise it was impossible to be heard over. Both of the other men told him I was speaking and to stop what he was doing and listen but he carried on.

Anyway (I'll get to the actual point now!), I ended up raising my voice (over the noise so not shouting/angry but probably sounded frustrated because I was) to say, "John! (Not his name), can you listen?" I'd waited for a moment of quiet and started speaking 3 or 4 times by that point.

He turned to me and said, "Ooh, shall I get you one of Sue's (not her name) happy pills? Will that help?" With a 😁😁😁

At that point, I'd had enough of him and just saw red. So I turned to him and said, "John. Just fuck off." He replied with the usual it was 'just a joke'. I said it wasn't and that Sue might be ok with him making shitty sexist comments to her but he wasn't speaking to me like that. I packed away my stuff and walked out the room and went home. I can't remember the last time I felt that angry!

The thing is, I actually think I did do the right thing in standing up for myself but I don't think i've ever told anyone to fuck off in my life! And I just feel a bit weird/awkward about it... probably because he's likely even more convinced I need one of Sue's happy pills now! 🙄

I'm just not really sure what to do next.I didn't raise my voice and what I've recounted here is as accurate as it can be without cctv footage to refer to 👍🏻

YABU - you were rude. You should have laughed along - it was just a joke

YANBU - He's lucky that's all you said and he's twat. Get rid.

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Goldenbear · 24/06/2024 10:31

funinthesun19 · 24/06/2024 10:25

Yanbu. People like him think they’re hilarious. You not only stood up for yourself but you also stood up for his poor wife too. I bet she’s sick of being at the butt of his jokes! Someone needed to let him know how annoying everyone thinks he is, so well done you.

Again, why is Sue a victim necessarily. I didn’t realise the ages so 56!!? If the partner is a similar age, is a capable women that can do her own house up- is that what you described? Why can’t Sue just tell him herself. Do they actually live together?

Goldenbear · 24/06/2024 10:28

Icantpaint · 22/06/2024 11:04

The female singer in a previous band (also played guitar and wrote all the songs) once got told if she stuck at it she could one day be a real musician like the boys in her band.

our current singer often gets creepy blokes cornering her after gigs to tell her how good she is and chatting her up. We all have to step in and make sure she’s ok far too often.

This is just as sexist, can’t she just stick up herself; how old is she?

funinthesun19 · 24/06/2024 10:25

Yanbu. People like him think they’re hilarious. You not only stood up for yourself but you also stood up for his poor wife too. I bet she’s sick of being at the butt of his jokes! Someone needed to let him know how annoying everyone thinks he is, so well done you.

Goldenbear · 24/06/2024 10:11

NonPlayerCharacter · 24/06/2024 08:49

This is actually amazing. A man is a shit towards his partner, then weaponises her mental health to be a sexist shit towards another woman, and somehow it still becomes a woman's fault and a story of how women hate each other.

Hardly, grow up! More like lack of female solidarity when there is an assumption the other woman is a bit pathetic putting up with this shit when in reality, especially if you don’t know the man very well and are not friends with him, the reality of the dynamics of their relationship is not known at all. Even putting all that bill shit aside not everyone makes the personal, political, people are not black and white in their thinking so they don’t even know themselves why they put up with something - in other people’s eyes.

ageratum1 · 24/06/2024 09:20

Her medication is none of our business, neither is their shitty relationship and telling us she nearly kicked him out and framing it as a 'her' issue pissed me off
But you don't know, it may well be a 'her' problem! Can I ask if you know how hard it is to live with a severely depressed partner? I am guessing from this post that you don't! It is stressful, exhausting and emotionally draining.
The 'inappropriate' comments may be we his way of coping with what is a very dark situation.
Speaking to him like a child, swearing at him, making light of and weapons ing his private life, was bang out or order OP!

NonPlayerCharacter · 24/06/2024 08:49

Goldenbear · 24/06/2024 08:00

I understand why you said it but I don’t think his wife should be drawn into your comment. Comparing yourself to her makes you look like you think you are better than her and how’s that any better than his perceived behaviour towards his wife?

This is actually amazing. A man is a shit towards his partner, then weaponises her mental health to be a sexist shit towards another woman, and somehow it still becomes a woman's fault and a story of how women hate each other.

BassPlayerWanted · 24/06/2024 08:15

I did. I'd already told him his initial comment about her was inapprorpiate.

Well I've already explained that I had a conversation with her about it over the weekend and her response. Weve discussed similar previously and, seemingly, she is OK with it. I, however, am not. So it's reasonable to draw that comparison.

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Goldenbear · 24/06/2024 08:07

BassPlayerWanted · 24/06/2024 08:03

I wasn't comparing myself to her. What he said about her was inapprorpiate too and I'd already told him that.

He was using her current health situation as a way of making a shitty misogynistic remark about me. I didn't draw her into it. She was the vehicle through which he was being a dick to me.

I don't think I'm better than her. I think she could do way better than him.

But I thought you said not to treat you like he is treating his girlfriend/partner- that is drawing her into as it makes it sound like she is a bit of a mug. In all honesty, she may deal with it entirely differently behind closed doors.

BassPlayerWanted · 24/06/2024 08:03

Goldenbear · 24/06/2024 08:00

I understand why you said it but I don’t think his wife should be drawn into your comment. Comparing yourself to her makes you look like you think you are better than her and how’s that any better than his perceived behaviour towards his wife?

I wasn't comparing myself to her. What he said about her was inapprorpiate too and I'd already told him that.

He was using her current health situation as a way of making a shitty misogynistic remark about me. I didn't draw her into it. She was the vehicle through which he was being a dick to me.

I don't think I'm better than her. I think she could do way better than him.

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Goldenbear · 24/06/2024 08:00

I understand why you said it but I don’t think his wife should be drawn into your comment. Comparing yourself to her makes you look like you think you are better than her and how’s that any better than his perceived behaviour towards his wife?

BassPlayerWanted · 24/06/2024 07:48

I was only going to apologise to the other man for cutting the practice short. He'd given up his evening, paid part of the room costs and we ended up finishing with about half an hour left on the room. I wasn't going to apologise to him for what I said or saying anything.

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Jumpers4goalposts · 24/06/2024 06:44

100% you were in the right! This sort of behaviour needs to be called out at every opportunity. Your only failing was that you didn’t call it out later. Don’t apologise to him or the other man you did nothing wrong.

Madamum18 · 23/06/2024 21:51

I think it is a mistake not to follow up with him. It allows him to think you were just "being a moody cow" or whatever.

I would speak to him directly..." John. I left our last practice very annoyed and fed up as I'm sure you noticed! I was angry because I am not willing to tolerate being patronised when I am quite reasonably querying your behaviour. You were asked to stop playing and listen as you all needed to know that there was no practice next week. You just carried on. I am not willing to put up with that any more. Please let's move forward now but with no more patronising comments and all of us treating each other with respect!"

His response will tell you everything! And it might instigate a very short "last chance!"

Firsttimer9981 · 23/06/2024 20:52

You feel weird and awkward because the world is full of men like John and we've all been raised by them to believe women shouldn't raise their voices or argue back! Obviously I'm over simplifying things and I really believe things are getting better slowly but the only way they'll continue to get better is by us all showing the John's of the world that we won't be quiet and make our way back to the kitchen. Well done for telling him to fuck off. He thoroughly deserved it, and more.

PorridgeEater · 23/06/2024 20:32

I wouldn't want to be in a group with someone like that.

Clueless2024 · 23/06/2024 19:05

Quite frankly he needs to be told to fuck off more often. What a twat.

Hmm1234 · 23/06/2024 19:01

They sound like some biatxhessss

BassPlayerWanted · 22/06/2024 19:38

GenericWoman

You make a good point. And yes, the three of us met in a gigging band. And are all either currently in (or have been in until recently) gigging bands.

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GenericWoman · 22/06/2024 19:02

The fact it is a band is really relevant to advice because it isn't just 'a hobby' is it? If you are thinking in due course it might be a business, you need to be "working" with people that even if you don't love them aren't people you are actively hostile to or think are total twats.

You weren't unreasonable at all but I think you (all) need to get rid of John asap as it isn't a sustainable project with someone who is such a misogynist and talks to you like that.

If it was tennis or something, then it matters less because after the match is over its done. A band is more than a hobby and should be fun. It won't be fun with him so he needs to go.

FrivolousKitchenRollUse · 22/06/2024 17:38

YANBU. Tell us roughly where this happened so we can get to work on a blue plaque and/or statue.

BassPlayerWanted · 22/06/2024 15:48

And they do care about it but they're being led by me on it. The three of us are friends with an extensive history. He's just a guy two if us know.

And, tbh, I'd voiced my concerns about him musically before this. So that's an equal concern.

He's got 2 practices to get better and 1 chance to not be a dick.

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BassPlayerWanted · 22/06/2024 15:46

No. I won't be booted out. The band needs me, it doesn't need him. They just want to be supportive to him musically. I know that if I insisted he was out after what he said, they'd go along with that. He does have potential musically but he's got a steep learning curve ahead of him.

If it came down to a choice between me and him, they'd choose me without a doubt. That's not even a concern. And I'd walk away anyway if it came to that.

It would be easier for me to find another band than it would be for them to find another bass player.

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Boxina · 22/06/2024 15:41

BassPlayerWanted · 22/06/2024 15:24

Personally, I think it would be better for him to just go but they want to give him a chance. I've said he's got 2 practices to improve. They've agreed.

There no major rush at the moment, we're only 2 practices in and don't have a drummer because the one we found turned up to the first practice, wasn't very good, didn't turn up to this one without notice so we've already let him go.

But I've already made it clear that I'm not interested in carrying dead wood just to be nice. If he doesn't come up to scratch, he's out. If he makes a shitty comment about me or Sue again, he's out.

But they are only talking musically not about his attitude. Your issue is mainly with his attitude. He's not going to change who he is and it sounds like he's never really going to be a good fit with you. But the other guys are already prioritising him over you and that's not a good place to be. I'm really sorry Op but I am concerned that you will end up being booted out of this band or just being very uncomfortable while in it because twat face is going to continue being a twat face and the other guys actually don't care about that. That's why they are focusing on the music side. But what is important is his attitude and his fit in the band and I think you are being positioned to be the disposable one.

BassPlayerWanted · 22/06/2024 15:33

If they're right then that could explain

They are right. They're in agreement with me not each other 😉

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Arconialiving · 22/06/2024 15:29

Well done Op!