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Caught Cleaner clipping her Nails in our Bathroom..

269 replies

Naliny · 21/06/2024 13:42

…with my nail clipper.

AIBU to fire her over this?

(Also - have never done an AIBU before and can’t figure out how to do the poll).

OP posts:
herbaceous · 21/06/2024 14:39

But why does it even matter? The nail clippers aren't going to get worn out. Nail clippings aren't toxic. Her peasant nails aren't going to infect the clippers...

Newposter180 · 21/06/2024 14:38

I am by no means precious but I wouldn’t be ok with this. And obviously the sound of clipping nails is loud and distinctive. If she sneaks off to do this, is she also helping herself to your toiletries, popping on a bit of blusher with your makeup brushes?

Caravaggiouch · 21/06/2024 14:38

Everythingiscalmfornow · 21/06/2024 14:36

That's not comparable at all.
You've obviously ok'd her to that , or at least she knows she is doing it with your full knowledge.
Totally different to using your employer's personal items without their knowledge.

Personal items? They’re nail clippers, it’s not a vibrator. To me this is akin to her using my scissors to cut off a tag or a scratchy label. So much of a non issue I can’t believe I’m even responding to this thread.

TheArtfulWriter · 21/06/2024 14:37

Everythingiscalmfornow · 21/06/2024 14:36

That's not comparable at all.
You've obviously ok'd her to that , or at least she knows she is doing it with your full knowledge.
Totally different to using your employer's personal items without their knowledge.

I think people just want to shit on the OP.
Why couldn't she have ASKED - and the OP would have said yes/no?

herbaceous · 21/06/2024 14:37

I am astonished that it's even something you're concerned about! And even more so that lots of people agree that nail clipping is a sackable offence.

After the thread yesterday with the poster having a fit of the vapours because her cleaner dared have a ciggie out the back door, I'd assumed this was a piss-take about the oiks getting above themselves and taking blasted liberties.

But no.

Everythingiscalmfornow · 21/06/2024 14:36

CelesteCunningham · 21/06/2024 14:33

Mine even makes herself a coffee and refills her squash before she heads to her next job. Off with her head!

That's not comparable at all.
You've obviously ok'd her to that , or at least she knows she is doing it with your full knowledge.
Totally different to using your employer's personal items without their knowledge.

Summertimer · 21/06/2024 14:36

I expect she broke her nails or something like or they were irritating her. She should be the one who is peeved by getting caught by someone who might be ocd about something perfectly normal

TheTartfulLodger · 21/06/2024 14:35

For me this us a complete non issue. I thought she actually did something terrible for a moment.

LakeTiticaca · 21/06/2024 14:35

If you want to lose your lovely cleaner and emergency babysitter, fire her. Otherwise just make her aware that you heard her and request her to ask if she needs to use something of yours.
Don't just cut off your nose to spite your face

Caravaggiouch · 21/06/2024 14:35

Ofcoursehesthefkingfarmer · 21/06/2024 14:33

That’s not really comparable though is it? My cleaner helps herself to drinks/microwave etc but she’s in my home and has been told she is welcome to do that.

using my things without asking would piss me off. I’m not sure I’d fire her because like OP’s cleaner, she’s lovely and local. But I would send her a message to tell her that I don’t like her using my things.

It’s a nail clipper though. Not a precious jewel or something that gets used up. I’d expect to be dropped as a customer if I sent my cleaner a snotty message telling her I don’t like her using my things over a nail clipper.

ButterCrackers · 21/06/2024 14:34

Unless she had broken a nail then yes sack her. She’s there to do her job not waste paid time.

Abitboring · 21/06/2024 14:34

Sounds like the nail clipping is just the tip of the iceberg as you say she doesn't clean that well. Often we accept poor work for too long and then don't know how to bring it up and something quite small really irritates us because we are irritated already.

Would you mind if her cleaning was thorough? Maybe not?

Perhaps try and address the cleaning standard with her and see if you can accept it.

I let go of a cleaner for washing a sandwich press in the sink like some pan and not seeing their mistake but even that followed many times of boundary crossing that we mentioned to her. And another for strong BO and for not washing her hands after each wee despite going on to make my bed. Her cleaning wasn't good either and I had to look for my things every week even though I asked her to leave everything in the same place.

pinkdelight · 21/06/2024 14:33

I feel the fear of this 'huge number of people who have fungal nail infections' is overblown. The same people who get alarmed by eating nuts out of a bowl because of blah blah stats about guys who don't wash their hands. Seriously. It's nail clippers, not sharing a hypodermic needle. Disinfect them yourself if it's so alarming, no need to instruct her to do it as if you couldn't possibly. Laugh it off and lighten up. There's many more things to genuinely worry about.

MILTOBE · 21/06/2024 14:33

Ugh. Make sure you disinfect your clippers, OP. I heard a woman on a podcast say she'd had a manicure where the beautician hadn't disinfected the clippers and she got a fungal infection in all her nails and they all fell off. I haven't been able to get over that!

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 21/06/2024 14:33

What a horrible thing for her to do!
Why would anyone think this is appropriate
Perhaps OP you should question why she thought it was OK to do this.

CelesteCunningham · 21/06/2024 14:33

Caravaggiouch · 21/06/2024 14:30

Imagine you’d all be horrified by my cleaner using our microwave to heat up her lunch while she’s at my house too. I wonder what the Venn diagram of people complaining they can’t find a good, reliable cleaner and people complaining vociferously about something like using a nail clipper looks like 🤔

Mine even makes herself a coffee and refills her squash before she heads to her next job. Off with her head!

Ofcoursehesthefkingfarmer · 21/06/2024 14:33

Caravaggiouch · 21/06/2024 14:30

Imagine you’d all be horrified by my cleaner using our microwave to heat up her lunch while she’s at my house too. I wonder what the Venn diagram of people complaining they can’t find a good, reliable cleaner and people complaining vociferously about something like using a nail clipper looks like 🤔

That’s not really comparable though is it? My cleaner helps herself to drinks/microwave etc but she’s in my home and has been told she is welcome to do that.

using my things without asking would piss me off. I’m not sure I’d fire her because like OP’s cleaner, she’s lovely and local. But I would send her a message to tell her that I don’t like her using my things.

Sansan18 · 21/06/2024 14:31

I'm interested in how closely you were watching her and why you thought that was necessary.
Perhaps you simply don't trust her.

Naliny · 21/06/2024 14:31

Gabbsters · 21/06/2024 14:19

Are you a bat, op? It seems amazing to me that you were able to work out that she was clipping her nails (and how many) through sound alone. And seems very surprising that she would relocate from bathroom to kids’ bedroom to do it. And do fingers and toes but then look sheepish about it.

I wonder whether she wanted to snip something (eg hair or thread caught somewhere), looked for scissors but only found the clippers. The story as it is just sounds so unlikely. Not great but more likely than her suddenly doing a mani/pedi for no reason.

Anyway, I certainly wouldn’t fire her over something you know so little about, and even if you knew she was cutting nails (which you don’t) I would assume she had a need. People on this site are incredibly quick to suggest firing cleaners- this job is part of her livelihood so probably best to treat it more seriously and want facts before you act.

I can confirm, I am not a bat (I did double check before responding!). It really isn’t as complicated as you might think it is, I promise! Continue analyzing the situation if you wish, but for the sake of this thread let’s just assume that yes, I am 100% sure that she was clipping nails!

OP posts:
Caravaggiouch · 21/06/2024 14:30

Imagine you’d all be horrified by my cleaner using our microwave to heat up her lunch while she’s at my house too. I wonder what the Venn diagram of people complaining they can’t find a good, reliable cleaner and people complaining vociferously about something like using a nail clipper looks like 🤔

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 21/06/2024 14:30

oakleaffy · 21/06/2024 14:21

Hopefully people wouldn't leave a toilet dirty for someone else to clean.. {In a domestic house at least}

When we were young, mum had a cleaner, and everything had to be clean and tidy before Cleaner arrived...or else!

Definitely no poo to clean off loos.

Edited

Your mum was a good’n! Trust me, plenty of people leave dirty toilets and expect another equal human to clean their shit, but balk at clippers / cigarettes / cups of tea etc. Awful people.

MissMoneyFairy · 21/06/2024 14:30

Have you asked her if she used your clippers

TheChosenTwo · 21/06/2024 14:28

I really don’t think I’d be bothered by this. Our cleaner often has to take personal calls while she’s working here, she’s become more of a family friend and she’s much loved here. I need her in my life to make it all run better.
If she decided to quickly clip her nails while she was working it wouldn’t register with me other than it being impossible as we don’t own nail clippers! But something like nail scissors or tweezers or whatever. She gets her job done to a standard I’m happy with. She used to stop and have a cigarette break and a cuppa halfway through and usually we something baked that she could help herself too (she doesn’t smoke anymore but she still has the tea and cake).
Anyway only you know if you’re happy to get rid of her over hearing what you think was her clipping her nails. For me that’s not something to fire someone over but I am not you!

EBearhug · 21/06/2024 14:27

CelesteCunningham · 21/06/2024 14:17

It's a nail clippers, not a razor. It's not like she left bodily fluids all over it. It won't have taken long either - not like she was doing a facial with your expensive products.

She probably can't find her own and was snagging her nails as she cleaned, saw yours and decided to just sort it quickly.

You like her, you've known her for years, you trust her with your kids. Firing her would be wildly overreacting.

Could you give her a warning instead of sacking her?

I would definitely say I'd want them disinfected, and talk about the risk of cross-infection (that could go both ways - she could get something from you, if you have a fungal nail infection,) and say if she ever needs to clip a nail she breaks or something, to ask first.

Everythingiscalmfornow · 21/06/2024 14:26

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 21/06/2024 14:17

People here really hate cleaners. The recent thread about a cigarette end, horrible.

Perhaps some people do hate cleaners but there seem to be an awful lot more who actually hate people who are in a financial position to employ cleaners.

I think it's perfectly normal if you have someone working in your home to expect a standard of behaviour from them.

And I'm saying this as someone who has worked as a cleaner and is perfectly aware of some people's reaction when I tell them this .