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Is there a polite way to never go to team socials?

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Cindyhadayellowcar · 21/06/2024 11:04

I work in a team of 5. I like them. Fine people to work with. I transferred to the team about six months ago, and have known my colleagues for about 5 years.

They all want to go out for a team meal. To be clear - not paid for by the company - just us lot going out for a jolly. Bit of team bonding etc.

I don't want to go. Not to this one, or to any team meal or jolly, ever.

I have been on one before, a few years ago when I was in a different team but working closely with a couple of people in this team - so I can't say I never go out. Plus, just from chatting at work they know I do have friends and socialise.

What I want is a perfectly polite and reasonable reason why I can't ever go out on team socials. An excuse why I can't make this one won't work because they'll either reschedule it or I'll have the same issue at the next one.

Shall I just pretend to go along with it and then be unwell on the night?

Or is it actually professionally necessary to occasionally grin and bear these things?

OP posts:
Catlord · 22/06/2024 13:14

Since you mention costs, Would you feel comfortable leaning on this? So, speaking to the organiser and saying 'sounds lovely but money's a bit tight at the minute. Nothing to worry about, but I'll need to sit this out and will let you know when I can join one. Hope everyone has a great time!'

If there's a drinks gathering rather than dinner that can be a good opportunity to show face, have one (can be soft drink) and leave without committing to a full evening. If one of those comes up it might be an idea to fulfil the social expectation by doing that leaving you more comfortable to refuse longer events. Obviously you're not obliged to go to any but if this would be easier than refusing all its an option.

I have had plenty of colleagues who have managed just fine without joining socials or just having one quick drink

Snooglequack · 22/06/2024 13:12

tigger1001 · 22/06/2024 11:36

Jesus!

Work is about trust. Trust you can do the job. Not how many times you go to a social function in your own time, and often at your own cost.

Promotions should be based on work not who goes to the pub more often.

Should be. But have you ever worked for anywhere like that? And if you think you have then you are naive.

bergamotorange · 22/06/2024 13:07

TimeForMyMonthlyNameChange · 21/06/2024 11:09

‘I’ve got a lot going on so it’s hard for me to pinpoint a date. You all choose the best date for you and if I can make it I’ll come along’.

I've done this successfully for ten years!

I do also suggest/attend coffee/lunch in the work day.

Newnamesameoldlurker · 22/06/2024 13:05

Cindyhadayellowcar · 21/06/2024 23:47

Lots of reasons.

  • I won't enjoy it.
  • I barely have enough time to catch up with friends I do want to see - to spend an evening with colleagues seems a waste (though I now agree it's not a waste - it's about showing willing and being a team player).
  • I'm not wealthy and it's money I'd rather not spend.
  • I'm neurodivergent and it takes a huge amount of effort to remember how to be a pleasant, social person for a whole evening. I can do it - but I'm doing it all on manual and it's exhausting. Eye contact. Not too much eye contact. Words to affirm the person's story. Now join in and add an anecdote. Don't talk too much. Only say appropriate things. Make sure that you never actually say anything, just do words that are pleasant. And do it in a noisy restaurant where everyone is talking at once and I can't eat most of the menu.
  • I sometimes get the above wrong and then I've put all that effort in and they still think I'm a weirdo and then I have to shame spiral about the thing I said wrong. (Working on this).
  • I can't drink at social things because it lets my guard down, and I'd rather stay home on a saturday night and have a glass of wine with my cat and relax.
  • No matter how hard I try I'll always be a bit 'other' and I know they socalise without me anyway, and I genuinely understand why they do. I'm not one of the gang and however nice I am, and however nice they are - I don't and can't fit in. I'm acutely aware of this and these work socials are painful. However - all that said I can see that the judgement is that I have to go anyway once in a while. Fair enough. Have taken this on board and will go.

I relate to so much of what you've put here OP. Wish you were on my team and we could pal up on work nights out. I do think you should allow yourself one drink though. I do and just sip it- kind of lessens the feeling of otherness, especially if I'm struggling with the food.

Bbq1 · 22/06/2024 12:56

I never go o. work nights out
I am very close to some my colleagues and class them as friends but the Christmas night out etc is just not my scene. My friends ask me if I am going and I just say it's not my thing.
We work in small teams of 4/5 and I'd go with the small group for a meal but drinking all night (i don't drink) and carnage going on is just not me.

Catza · 22/06/2024 12:55

Cindyhadayellowcar · 21/06/2024 23:47

Lots of reasons.

  • I won't enjoy it.
  • I barely have enough time to catch up with friends I do want to see - to spend an evening with colleagues seems a waste (though I now agree it's not a waste - it's about showing willing and being a team player).
  • I'm not wealthy and it's money I'd rather not spend.
  • I'm neurodivergent and it takes a huge amount of effort to remember how to be a pleasant, social person for a whole evening. I can do it - but I'm doing it all on manual and it's exhausting. Eye contact. Not too much eye contact. Words to affirm the person's story. Now join in and add an anecdote. Don't talk too much. Only say appropriate things. Make sure that you never actually say anything, just do words that are pleasant. And do it in a noisy restaurant where everyone is talking at once and I can't eat most of the menu.
  • I sometimes get the above wrong and then I've put all that effort in and they still think I'm a weirdo and then I have to shame spiral about the thing I said wrong. (Working on this).
  • I can't drink at social things because it lets my guard down, and I'd rather stay home on a saturday night and have a glass of wine with my cat and relax.
  • No matter how hard I try I'll always be a bit 'other' and I know they socalise without me anyway, and I genuinely understand why they do. I'm not one of the gang and however nice I am, and however nice they are - I don't and can't fit in. I'm acutely aware of this and these work socials are painful. However - all that said I can see that the judgement is that I have to go anyway once in a while. Fair enough. Have taken this on board and will go.

I am autistic and I can totally relate to that, except for the bit when I worry silly about the impression I make on others. I still go. Not to every social but I do join at least a couple a year. I have one drink, I don't worry about social cues too much - some of my team are aware I have autism, others aren't. It's all good, I still have very good relationships with my colleagues even if I committed social crime of offering a relatable anecdote instead of asking them more questions about themselves.
My former PIL always referred to me as being "delightfully European" after an incident when to my MIL's question "Does this bird (she lovingly made) seem a bit dry?" I honestly answered "It is a bit". Apparently, not the way it's done here 😂So I just lean into that and assume most people think of me as "delightfully European" rather than odd.

Toastcrumbsinsofa · 22/06/2024 12:07

I always refused to go on work socials because I’m teetotal and it always involved alcohol. I was regularly told that I wasn’t a team player and that was absolutely fine with me. I don’t want to be on ‘team booze’ or ‘team no life outside work’!

tigger1001 · 22/06/2024 11:36

Snooglequack · 22/06/2024 09:29

Feel free not to attend but work is about trust so you'll have to remember that when you don't get given the more interesting projects and are passed over for promotion.

Jesus!

Work is about trust. Trust you can do the job. Not how many times you go to a social function in your own time, and often at your own cost.

Promotions should be based on work not who goes to the pub more often.

swayingpalmtree · 22/06/2024 09:57

This is exactly why whenever we organise work events we keep them very casual and open ended. Eg "we're going to be at X bar at X time, come along if you'd like to, no problems if you cant/dont want to"

That way noone ever feels pressured to go.

EmoIsntDead · 22/06/2024 09:53

I go to very few after work social events. With my small team I’m happy to go to dinner/lunch/drinks etc but a couple of times a year there are big events for all staff. My idea of hell so I don’t go. My team know it’s just not my thing and I’m not much of a drinker. My husband and I spend lots of our free time with family and our actual friends.

Only one person in work has commented negatively on it but I made it clear to her a couple of years ago that I can spend my free time how I choose. She thinks I’m antisocial but then I think she gets messy drunk and embarrasses herself so 🤷🏻‍♀️

RunAwayTurnAwayRunAwayTurnAway · 22/06/2024 09:42

I never know what are safe topics of conversation for work social events. That is where I struggle.

Obviously work topics are off the table. Not sure what else could work in a social situation where alcohol is present.

ViciousCurrentBun · 22/06/2024 09:41

Sorry see you don’t want to officially state.

In that case they may just see you as a bit cold or unsociable.

I worked in two places that had social stuff all the time. Most free but some we had to pay for. Any idea how often they socialise?

If you can manage I think the poster that’s said go along to sort of one in five get togethers is a good idea. Plus consider suggesting somewhere you already know. Plus if it’s an unknown place just go and scope it out. You could go there before or at least look online at the layout and menu. Decide what you want beforehand and go with a combo of choices depending on the sort of ‘are we having starters’ type of conversation that can happen.

ViciousCurrentBun · 22/06/2024 09:34

Though your team do not know have you declared to your workplace and is this a diagnosis you have from a professional?

I worked with a guy who had declared his autism to the University we worked for. If he had situations he couldn’t tolerate everyone understood. We were at a big inaugural lecture once and it was very noisy due to the Prof screening clips of battles. He told me he had to leave, I just said don’t worry and we all just knew he had to go.

What sort of sector do you work in?

rzb · 22/06/2024 09:33

It's a professional necessity (or near that) for some jobs. You'll have the best idea of whether or not it is for your job.

How about, "I've come to realise that work socials really aren't my thing, so I won't be joining the rest of you, but I hope you all have a really good time."

If it'd be easier for you and if you can afford to, you could chip in roughly the cost of a meal towards the cost. That way, you do something for the team without having to endure an evening of your life doing something you wouldn't enjoy.

Snooglequack · 22/06/2024 09:29

Feel free not to attend but work is about trust so you'll have to remember that when you don't get given the more interesting projects and are passed over for promotion.

BlueMum16 · 22/06/2024 09:25

Cindyhadayellowcar · 22/06/2024 08:55

"It is easier to help someone make an excuse if you know their reason for not wanting to go. That was a long time coming from the OP."

But I did say why in my OP - I don't want to. That's the long and short of it.

I'm enjoying the posts saying I don't have to go if it's that much of an ordeal to me - but my team don't know I am ND so I think the earlier advice that it's just not on to completely avoid them still stands. I mean - they probably do know a bit because they're not idiots, but it's not something I want to officially state.

Edited

Just say you dont want to go.

I never go to work socials. It's not my thing. My colleagues know this. It's not an issue and we're still friends IN work.

My work life and home life don't mix. Not personal numbers no social media, no activity outside of work.

Cindyhadayellowcar · 22/06/2024 08:55

"It is easier to help someone make an excuse if you know their reason for not wanting to go. That was a long time coming from the OP."

But I did say why in my OP - I don't want to. That's the long and short of it.

I'm enjoying the posts saying I don't have to go if it's that much of an ordeal to me - but my team don't know I am ND so I think the earlier advice that it's just not on to completely avoid them still stands. I mean - they probably do know a bit because they're not idiots, but it's not something I want to officially state.

OP posts:
Truetoself · 22/06/2024 07:42

@Cindyhadayellowcar be honest and explain why it's not your thing. ND no longer need to be hidden and workplaces are also supposed to adapt and accommodate. Your colleagues will be OK with the truth and won't push you . If you make something up, you will open up a can of worms

SallyWD · 22/06/2024 06:54

I'd go. Why not? You might even enjoy it. It doesn't have to be frequent thing. Maybe a one off or once every 6 months.

MoneyTeresa · 22/06/2024 06:12

NeverNap · 22/06/2024 05:37

Look at all the posters asking why you don’t want to go though

It is easier to help someone make an excuse if you know their reason for not wanting to go. That was a long time coming from the OP.

That is true.

What I meant in that someone else who is autistic is unlikely to ask that to start with, as their viewpoint is more likely to be: “Why WOULD you want to go?!” (which, again, is seeing the world from the perspective of your own neurotype, which we all tend to do I suppose!)

UnpackingBooksFromBoxes · 22/06/2024 06:08

Thepeopleversuswork · 21/06/2024 13:16

I do understand that work socials can be draining and a bit of a pain in the arse.

But I also think saying you never want to go to any ever under any circumstances is a bit precious. I also think the benefit of just swallowing it and going to one with good grace (even if just for an hour or so) will far exceed your satisfaction at having got out of it. You will generate goodwill which will really help you.

The reality is that work has a social component and every now and then you have to show willing. Just basic courtesy.

Its one thing to not like them: a lot of us don’t like them. But insisting you are so special you should never be expected to go sends a signal to them that you think you deserve special treatment. It’s not worth it.

You don’t have the go every time. One out of every five or six will go a long way.

Basic courtesy has nothing to do with it. She doesn’t want to go. What would make you feel really uncomfortable? Something that you really don’t want to do. Let’s force you to do it. @Cindyhadayellowcar if you don’t want to go, don’t. I go to most things with work but have never tried to get someone who replied no to come. You don’t have to justify your choice not to attend either. You’re paid to work with your colleagues not socialise with them. And I guarantee when it comes to paying one person takes the piss.

TooLateForRoses · 22/06/2024 05:58

Cindyhadayellowcar · 21/06/2024 11:13

Edit : The signal you are sending to them is that you don't like them enough to even bear one night out with them socially.

Yes, this is what I'm worried about. I don't want to offend or upset them. I was just rather optimistically wondering if there was a genius way of never going on them AND not appearing horribly antisocial.

I'm just honest and say I get anxiety in loud environments with lots of people

DedicatedCakeEater · 22/06/2024 05:55

Can't you go and have a first drink with them, and may be a starter, then leave. Blame kids' homework, dog, decorating, IBS.

CaliMZ · 22/06/2024 05:55

I hate team socialising. I would just say you have after work commitments and you can't make it

NeverNap · 22/06/2024 05:38

OP can you just say that you struggle with social situations and get anxiety about events like this? The truth is often the most credible. They don’t sound like mean people so they might understand?