To think women with 3+ kids should pay less taxes

However I'm sure the third reich would have agreed with you!!°

Obs click bait but even so.The ageism on mumsnet is always appalling and othering the "old"is common practice.Try to avoid using the word 'elderly'.It has bad connotations and even some NHS practices are starting to change thanks to US medical institutions, substituting with other words.'Older adults' or ' people over.... 'Of course Mumsnet think anyone over 50 is practically dead and thinks it's ok to attack older people and their selfish big houses

If you honestly think that the younger generation is going to be employed enough to pay taxes to support older people then you do not get the impact of AI on jobs.Its hilarious that Mumsnet types imagine the world is going to be the same as it was with plenty of work for their kids.Why Sunak and Starmer are hopeless in not offering basic income.Having 3 probably unremarkable kids is selfish It's hard to adopt and foster I know but there is so much need ffs.We need less people.
And there should be decent care for older people but also a society that does not focus only on funeral planning,extorting money from wills and isolating older people from work and social opportunities that will keep them fitter
Oh and see Chris Rocks ' your kids are not special' youtube.
I mean really what are you lot like?

Personally I’d like to see having just one child become more normalised
@TempsPerdu like a British version of the Chinese one child policy?

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I don't think anyone is outraged at all. We pay really high tax here (way more than the UK) but recoup it in our yearly tax return. We also get cheaper train/bus tickets for having a large family. It's just the way it is. If you have 5 children or more, you effectively pay no income tax!

It won't work because there's more at play as to why women aren't ha I g more children.

Russian women are given a bonus equivalent to 2 years average salary for second and subsequent births and still have one of the lowest birth rates in the world.

Maybe those that have more children pay more tax since you're using more services, more child places at school etc...

What about parents who have three kids and one of their children passes away? Way to kick a family when they're down by upping their tax or upping their childcare costs. What a wonderful idea.

Think about yourself why don't you, OP...
Will your view change when you're not parenting anymore?

Yes I am fairly sure I'm on my own working full-time with three primary aged children. And more to the point it's not really about women it's about families. We came to the conclusion we couldn't both work, and as I earned a lot more, it was me that stayed at work. That does however also mean that because my industry doesn't offer part time work, we couldn't do what would have been way better for taxes and both work part-time. I think what's wrong isn't so much giving a tax break for 3+ kids, but the fact the tax system is incentivising both parents working up to 50k, rather than having one SAHM and the other partner earning, say, 110k - it's kinda nuts that if you concentrate your income as a family in order to look after your kids yourself, you end up on an insane marginal rate, even though that also means you are not consuming any state childcare at all.

This is not just about women though is it ?

There are fathers involved too

No, I am not in favour of this extra tax

If you wish to have 3 or more children, then pay for them

Personally I’d like to see having just one child become more normalised. The falling birth rate, I believe, comes largely from more couples choosing not to have any children at all, while (judging by my own circle) those who do have children generally go on to have the ‘standard’ 2 or 3.

I have one by choice, for many reasons, some of which relate to environmental/future quality of life concerns. Even now, though, there’s a lot of stigma and judgement around only children, and it’s difficult to advocate for this decision in a positive way without someone telling you you’re selfish (this is slowly changing in some areas I think, but this is very much my experience here in Zone 5 suburbia!)

I think a wider spread of families choosing to/being able to afford to have 1 or 2 children plus better managed and distributed immigration would be the best solution to balance economic and environmental concerns.

But then those children eventually give back to the public purse and things supposedly come full circle again.

Not necessarily. They may emigrate, become SAHP, be on benefits/low earners most of their lives. You just cannot guarantee that every child born as a result of this subsidy will end up a directly contributing to the UK economy.

3/4 of my team have 3 kids - they already get to work fewer hours than they’re paid to work (because my workplace takes family friendly to the absolute extremes) and the remaining 1/4 of us without kids pick up the slack.

So they’re already being paid more than the childless per hour. If they were also taxed less on the basis of being parents, think I’d genuinely consider emigrating.

Child benefit is highest for the first child, if you get it at all.

Do they still get medals on France? Serious question.

Why are some people acting like this is some heinous unimaginable proposal? It happens in quite a few countries already and those numbers will likely increase as more countries see the need for natalist policies.

That’s what you get child benefit for.

I think it would be more better to subsidise childcare.

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When I was a child the parent's tax code was changed for evey child, so the more children, the less tax paid. Of course for those on a very low income if you had lots of kids this perk could get used up so that there was no benefit to your income if you had more children.
One of my friends had 7 brothers and sisters - she said her father paid no income tax - he was a tax inspector 😁

You are joking surely????

And how are people in Belgium with none or fewer children coping with that, do they match the outraged posts on mn?

It is quite a common thing in other countries. It isn't a new idea.

Here in Belgium there are tax incentives to having 3 children or more. It's great!

Think France have something like this. It does incentivise higher educated, higher paid individuals to have more kids. Something that we probably need more of given the general decline in birthrate among this cohort.