To be concerned about a new fresh hell for female school pupils?

Well, I’d agree your judgement is clouded by your own experiences and views. What happened to your daughter’s friend was wrong,, but it doesn’t mean that this situation is the same and be judged through the same prism. For a start, it is an inescapable fact due process IS absolutely required on legal matters. You can’t just decide someone’s guilty simply because you think so, without ascertaining the facts and gathering the evidence to prove it. You certainly can’t make someone “face the consequences” on the basis you think they should be punished, before you’ve actually completed an investigation. Innocent until proven guilty, after all. There would be utter chaos if you could lock people up/sack them/meet out punishments etc on the basis you seem to suggest.

There can be no consequences for the alleged perpetrators unless or until they are prosecuted and found guilty. That’s how the law works.

The school can do nothing other than suspension, unless they can be 100% sure who is responsible- in which case they could expel them. That really is the limit of the schools power to mete out punishment. But if that degree of evidence was available, surely the police would also be arresting them?

All that said, the school- quite correctly- will absolutely not discuss whether they have or have not suspended any pupils with any group or the media, so I’m not sure how you can judge how the boys school has acted, one way or another.

The law and due process has to be adhered to for everyone. Even wealthy young men attending a private school, who are alleged to have committed crimes against women. I know many will come in here to say they are the very group most likely to get away with wrongdoing- maybe true, but nonetheless a proper investigation must still be done.

Women can still have babies without being in a couple, they may chose to live with other woman in partnerships and communes maybe.

Sorry that happened Therapy. Sounds horrific and definitely traumatising.

One boy told a friend of dds that if she did not send him nude pictures to share with his friends he would commit suicide 🙄. They were 14 at the time.

Yup, and women will be blamed for it…

I had someone I thought was a dear friend make deep fakes of me. Very close to the family.

It felt awful and degrading and I as an adult was traumatised by it, and I don't use that word lightly.

I have stopped going to places and things he's invited to, which means I miss out. But I feel utter disgust and skin crawling illness about him.

It must be awful for these young girls, these children to have had this happen. I hope they are okay. I really do, because it's an awful thing to have done to you.

I think in some ways that will be a good thing.
I actually feel so much guilt for bringing my DC into this horrible mess of a world.

At this rate the birthrate will be on the floor.

Same. Distinct lack of boyfriends here and mine and their pals are gorgeous. Just not interested - the boys push for “pictures” get sexually aggressive when told no and have horrible group chats about girls so the girls just retreat. It makes me so sad that the internet seems to have ruined some of these boys - how have we come to this?

My girls and all of their friends have totally lost interest in boys and relationships, now I am beginning to see why.

Reported this afternoon

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-andrew-tate-reform-uk-influencer-romania-misogynist-b1165902.html

I also have 2 DDs in their 20s who are not dating because so many young men have a terrible attitude towards women.
Not helped by Andrew Tate et al (who has now been praised by Farage as an important voice for men.)
How have we got in this mess.

This is what I was thinking.

Downing Street party photos anyone?

Actually the fact you are a sex offender is never wiped from your criminal record; you will always have to declare it. This kind of behaviour ruins the life of an offender if caught. You can already have driving licence suspended, it’s just barely used on sentence.

Legislation for this was in the works I believe but it's fallen by the wayside due to the election. However, it's a big challenge due to the international nature of the issue, privacy laws across multiple jurisdictions and the unwieldy nature of AI growth. I'm afraid the horse has very much bolted to stop this sort of thing entirely.

Also worth considering that the porn industry is big bucks and so whatever way things get hindered/shut down, they will find another way in outside of the reaches of law enforcement. Increasing access to and monetisation of porn was the original purpose of a lot of online services - video on demand/streaming for sure, as well as payment processing.

So if can't be stopped entirely, it's a battle of attrition. Properly educated and resourced law enforcement with good cross border co-ordination, properly educated parents and schools, restrictions on access to devices and social media for kids are all key. All challenging I know.

Kids are not well known for exercising excellent judgment at all times so access to devices/social media should be very carefully managed - and both schools and parents can do a lot on this. Especially in the digital sphere which gives the illusion that no harm is done as it's "not real".

Getting people to understand that even if they think a social media profile is private and they've got it "locked down", it is never assured to be 100% private. Social media profiles are hacked all the time (super easy for bad actors to do this) and the profile they hack then has access to their friends' media. Once content is uploaded, it is simply no longer private and users have to accept that publishing their content comes with the risk of misuse. But sadly, a lot of people just don't care to understand that and actively dismiss those who do not find that risk acceptable - as you'll see when anyone posts about not allowing their child to be included in school photos, or the yearly "first day of school" photos get shared (literally turns my stomach when I see these, even if school name or house no are blurred - as that info is also easy to find).

There needs to be a non prison option that hurts these men and is a deterrent. Removal of driving licence or as you say being put on a register that affects university entrance. That would give these little princes pause for thought.

“Out in the open”? It’s been 8 weeks and being investigated by the police and made the national press. If it had been 8 months I’d take your point.

a much better system is to have the candidate make a declaration ! The university can then rescind offers, results and money paid if that turns out to be a lie. Refusal to give said assurance of course speaks volumes. As does your school not giving s reference (seen that happen for much less bad things than this).

In a way it can never stop; a harmless photo with your friends is something that can be manipulated into sexual exploitation. It is the intent behind it and the attitude; I wouldn’t want to work or have to work with someone capable of this, still less than not be managed by the authorities as a sex offender. The fact this is easily done now should not blind us on who is doing it. These people are not anyone you want to associate with.

Expecting the police to complete such an investigation in two months is hopeful even if it is one without the misogyny of parts of the Metropolitan police. Part of your anger should be directed via the ballot box on 4 July.

Agree about a vetting process for prospective university students, though don't know how you could do that for overseas students.

‘I’m not sure their “privilege” is relevant? ‘

It is ENTIRELY relevant- if they were at my kids school this would have been out in the open weeks ago because the school
would have spent tens of thousands on PR and legal to keep it under wraps in an attempt to protect the school brand.

‘Of course. Nothing printed in a national newspaper ever turned out to be inaccurate did it?’

Those expensive lawyers and PR firms the private schools have hired? THATs why you haven’t heard more about this…

‘I don't know what the answer is, t’

the answer is to bring in specific legislation to deal with this, just as has happened with ‘revenge porn’ and child sex abuse imagery created by AI, to hold the men/ boys making it accountable and educate in schools about the harm this is doing.
Not to go - oh well girls can be just as bad. NOT the same thing.