Environmental march v direct action

so [shrug] nothing to be done then, eh?

my eyes are rollling back in my head so hard. There are PLENTY of things they could do that wouldn't get people's backs up, that would grab attention and so on.

Perhaps they could pay attention to people like Fergal Sharkey who is slowly but steadily building up a movement about our waterways and beaches.

But them alienating people isn’t going to make much difference. They are not trying to win friends and influence people. They are trying to sound the alarm to wake us up.

No one likes the sound of an alarm. Especially if it means we have got to do something we don’t want to. We can get irrationally angry with the alarm and throw it at the wall but it doesn’t change the time or that we have that horrible thing that needs doing.

The alienation argument is only relevant when you are campaigning for a nuanced cause where it’s down to values or opinions, like TRA and animal welfare.

This isn’t like that. Slowly building up support to change minds is no longer the aim. We are waaaay past that stage now. Been doing that for decades.

The job that JSO have taken on is to keep shouting to us and pointing at the danger.

Looking away is not a sensible response but some will. Makes no difference. The alarm still needs sounding, the threat hasn’t gone away and nor will it.

But they are alienating the people who they need to take these things seriously. When it's TRAs doing that I am happy. When it's about the future of the planet? Not so much.

Been doing those things for decades. This is an emergency and JSO are trying to sound an alarm to keep the focus where it needs to be. It’s made headlines and created conversation.

I think that’s why I have no strawberries this year. I’ve seen so few pollinators around and we are in the sticks and keep loads of our grass areas long and have loads of native flowers. Could be dud strawberry plants.

Chuck g orange paint won t stop anything.

Using your vote and holding politicians to account will

Worth mentioning that JSO is focussed on climate and the march on the biodiversity crisis, they are related but are two separate things that are about to cause chaos.

The number of insects around this year is catastrophically low, how many butterflies have people seen?

If we lose pollinators, we are screwed, and Britain is one of the most nature depleted countries in the world, so there is lots the new government can do to address that.

I think carrying on as normal and pretending this isn’t happening, when it’s in the news every week (unless you only get your news from the Daily Mail and Social Media) when our existence in jeopardy is insane.

Yup. Except I’d say this isn’t your grandchildren’s problem, it’s happening now. We are already seeing that it’s harder yo grow food, already more of the planet is becoming uninhabitable and so there is migration. That’s only going one way. Morbidity and mortality causes by climate change is already higher.

I think it was actually the pandemic that shifted things in a backward direction. But nevertheless most people globally want change. We ALL need it to happen and if anyone has changed their mind about this because of JSO then that just stupidity. It is like saying I don’t like the way my plumber gave me the advice that my toilet is blocked so I’m going to keep using it anyway to show him! I know it will mean sewerage all over the floor but that’s his fault for telling me in such a forceful way!

www.undp.org/press-releases/80-percent-people-globally-want-stronger-climate-action-governments-according-un-development-programme-survey

YANBU.

Being an unpopular nuisance can be a good strategy. The nonsense people in this thread say about JSO "I'd respect them more if they stayed at home" etc, are the same things people said about the Suffragettes.

Marching does bugger all.

Ultimately, a lot of people refuse to look into it themselves and don't realise how serious this climate stuff is. As things currently stand, our grandchildren will have a much more insecure, chaotic life because of actions people are taking today, and the planet may well be rendered unliveable if it gets too hot.

Everyone here will be dead in 100 years, but our descendants won't be that impressed by the laws passed now to protect your commute time from being impacted by climate activists.

Sunak is toast, he’s an irrelevance

It's good to make an impact like you're doing, thanks for the tips. We have a water butt, recycle a lot, use public transport where possible, reuse plastics such as bread bags for other items, only fill up the kettle with the cup that I'll be drinking tea out of to save energy. Aldi have recently started a soft plastics recycling scheme so I stuff the plastics in there- I was a bit wary of it, but looked online and it looks kosher.

I expect they do a fair amount of that too. But it’s not enough. We need Governments to legislate. Strongly. We need to keep it on the radar and you doing your bit is good, but it won’t make the news and get people talking.

No one has a zero carbon footprint, we can all do more (unless you live in a passivehaus, only ever walk, eat only home grown food, wear shoes made of tree bark from your garden and a hair shirt from your own shed hair). It doesn’t make anyone a hypocrite for demanding the Government do more, or dilute the message. The facts are clear. Just stop oil. We have to reduce consumption and switch to renewables.

which countries are doing the most damage?

Historically which countries have done the most damage?

Casting aside the issue of blame - what should we be doing to combat climate change? What do people do, personally, to "do their bit" which is not at all as much as a gnat's bite on an elephant's arse for all the effect it has on our personal lives.

for eg: i don't use, unless absolutely unavoidable, single use plastics (mea culpa: i buy lego)
We wash on a cold wash, using no fabric conditioner. We air our clothes as much as possible to avoid washing too often. We cycle to the station and take the train to work on office days. We use the bare minimum of heating in winter, and don't use aircon (we air the house and use blinds and hand-fans) etc etc. We buy locally produced seasonal food where possible. We don't buy fast fashion.

I live near a massive hole in the ground that hit the news fairly recently when the villages that had been cleared to form the next part of the open-cast mine were occupied for weeks. we go on marches regularly, we grill the local mayor and the owners of the energy companies. We subscribe to renewable energy. We vote for parties that pay attention to the crisis.

So what more can we do? I wonder how much of what i have described the JSO folk do

Exactly.

Hyperbole much?

Have you seen the absolute destruction being caused by climate change? Want me to link to some? It’s happening already. Surely you can see that this is an emergency that requires much stronger action than currently being taken?

@iamtheblcksheep I'm no fan of JSO, but unimaginable destruction? Compared to climate change? LMFAO 😂

I agree with non violent direct action.
I don't agree with it if it targets and affects the wrong people.

This is for you @iamtheblcksheep 😂

The restore nature March was attended by controversial menaces to society like the RSPB and the Wildlife Trusts 😂 I am confident that their members have taken far more practical action than you have.

The global cost of climate change management by 2050 will be 1.7-3 trillion US dollars.

Carefully planned campaigns in parliaments by NGOs, and scientific publications over 40 years have done little to prompt climate action.

The restore nature now March was covered by 7 UK news outlets, despite huge attendance. Peaceful and uncontroversial actions don’t create much media attention.

Just Stop Oil’s Stonehenge protest was covered by over 15 UK news outlets and 15 international news outlets. It’s making us talk about it all now, whatever are views on it.

You are all an absolute menace to society.

JSO causes unimaginable destruction. The march will cost thousands to police and thousands to clean up after when you leave all your shit behind.