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SannaK · 21/06/2024 06:42

I'll keep it brief.

I'm a woman, no real assets at all, apart from the obvious ones lol.

I've been seeing a chap, own home car etc. He has a grown son, the don owns his own quite substantial home and id looking to move abroad.
No prob. Heres the thing.

We talked about marriage. He says (the chap) that if we were to marry he would want the house eventually to go to the son on my death. He says he would get something legal in writing that I would be entitled to live in said home on his passing until I die and that he would also sign over a pension to me etc so that I could stay in the home (No mortgage).

Im not sure at all re this. A male colleague said it was cheeky and that I was just going to be a house sitter.

He is nearly 69 and I'm 55 soon to be. We have not been dating long just six months. Don't worry about upsetting me with your thoughts.

On the one hand I totally get where he's coming from. On the other this arrangement which would involve him drafting details, solicitors andy signing stuff leaves me cold. Not to mention not feeling romantic. Also if be concerned that down the line this could be contested by the son and his mother and I could end up on the streets.

Wise considered thoughts most appreciated.

SK x

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LAMPS1 · 21/06/2024 09:01

His offer is a bonus to you and quite generous after just 6 months. You would need your own solicitor to make sure it’s watertight from your perspective.

But you don’t have to accept it, you can stay safely in your HA if that feels more secure.
Or you could accept his offer and still work your way up in your career towards a more a secure future for yourself as well.

Rely on yourself, is always my advice. (But don’t reject his idea for your future if it feels right because you can still rely on yourself at the same time)

SannaK · 21/06/2024 09:01

Ellie1015. Yes this needs unpacking.

Lundland...yes this. We all have our dark sides. X

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SannaK · 21/06/2024 08:56

Thank you Dr BB. You're right of course. And to be clear, he's not proposed yet.

Lol at Beesneez.

Thank you everyone x:)

I'll keep you in the loop re developments.

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Ellie1015 · 21/06/2024 08:56

6 months into relationship is not long enough to give up security.

If relationship works out and lasts then the arrangement if he dies is very fair. But the bigger worry is what you would do if you split.

Spend more time at his if you like, but keep your own rental.

lundland · 21/06/2024 08:54

My mum had this type of arrangement, it was put in place years before her husband died. In the event, her husband's son, who she had previously had a good relationship with, became more and more bullying and made it unbearable for her to stay, what was written in the will turned out to be useless to her. She lived in a small community where the husband's family was very powerful, she was effectively shunned by the whole community.

BitOutOfPractice · 21/06/2024 08:53

This is exactly the set up that DP and I have (not married but we own a property together. When one of us dies, the other can stay on the property until they die, and then the property will be split between our kids (not joint).

Triskeline · 21/06/2024 08:53

swayingpalmtree · 21/06/2024 08:37

Ironically I'm in a more vulnerable position than chap or chaps son. In that having no assets or even savings if he decides to chuck me or if son contests stuff on his demise, I'll be homeless given the state of the rental market

So then dont move in. You cant blackmail him into handing everything over to you.

How would you feel if you had assets and your daughter got nothing after you died?

You are being really unreasonable here- your finances are not his responsibility- especially not after just 6 months 🙄

Edited

There’s nothing ‘ironic’ about the fact that you don’t have any property or savings, and your possible future husband and his son do. You say yourself that you made poor choices and poor previous relationship decisions which contributed to this situation. Your boyfriend is simply making sure that he’s not ‘making a poor relationship decision’ by securing his son’s inheritance. You’ve known this guy six months! It’s not his job to repair your previous bad luck/poor choices.

His proposition gives you a free place to live for life and an income via his pension. If that were successfully contested by his son (and I have no idea what grounds there would need to be), you would presumably be back in the situation you are in now, renting and either working or on a state/private pension for an income. At 54, you still have plenty of working years to build up savings, or pay into a pension.

DrBlackbird · 21/06/2024 08:53

On the other this arrangement which would involve him drafting details, solicitors andy signing stuff leaves me cold. Not to mention not feeling romantic

I would have a different perspective. By involving lawyers, he’d be protecting you. And involving lawyers is the most romantic and caring thing he could do. It is absolutely incredibly romantic and loving if he drew up his will giving you a life interest in his house and half his pension.

How can you not see this?

A woman that I know has this and it’s incredibly frustrating to his heirs not to be able to sell the house (he’s already passed away now) but there’s nothing they can do. Even if your chap’s ex contested, which is unlikely as she’s the ex and even if the son contested, which is unlikely if he has his own home, and as long as your chap is of sound mind, there’d be little grounds to contest.

His suggestions are all incredibly in your favour given your circumstances (particularly offering this on the back of a relatively new relationship!) and presuming that you love him, your hesitation is quite hard to fathom. And your work colleague is a dick. You wouldn’t be house sitting fgs, you’d have a life interest in the house.

Beezknees · 21/06/2024 08:52

SannaK · 21/06/2024 08:46

Im not in a private rental Biscuits. I'm ina housing association .

Thank you to all who took the time to answer. Nigelswife n RefRobyn. Stuff to ponder there. X

I really appreciate your time. I feel much better now. Thank you all and have a great day.

God, stay there! You'd be mad to give up a housing association property.

Shan5474 · 21/06/2024 08:50

My dad put the same arrangement in his will for his wife, I don’t think it’s uncommon when you have adult children. He worked to buy his house, his second wife didn’t contribute to the house as he had already bought it.

I like that this man is being upfront with you now, he sounds mature. He wants you to have housing for life. But also recognises that your lack of assets is your own responsibility

biscuitsnow · 21/06/2024 08:47

Im not in a private rental Biscuits. I'm ina housing association

So stay there then. Are you literally saying you think everything he owns should go to you, house, pension, money etc and nothing at all should go to his son?

SannaK · 21/06/2024 08:46

Im not in a private rental Biscuits. I'm ina housing association .

Thank you to all who took the time to answer. Nigelswife n RefRobyn. Stuff to ponder there. X

I really appreciate your time. I feel much better now. Thank you all and have a great day.

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biscuitsnow · 21/06/2024 08:39

But your landlord could sell up any time they want- why do you assume you are safe now but wont be if you move in with him?

swayingpalmtree · 21/06/2024 08:37

Ironically I'm in a more vulnerable position than chap or chaps son. In that having no assets or even savings if he decides to chuck me or if son contests stuff on his demise, I'll be homeless given the state of the rental market

So then dont move in. You cant blackmail him into handing everything over to you.

How would you feel if you had assets and your daughter got nothing after you died?

You are being really unreasonable here- your finances are not his responsibility- especially not after just 6 months 🙄

Maddy70 · 21/06/2024 08:37

I think thats fine. He is providing for his son. Hes being open about it from the start

Beezknees · 21/06/2024 08:36

You've made poor choices, you can't expect others to pick up the pieces of that.

Just stay in your own rental and keep your own security instead of relying on someone else.

Beezknees · 21/06/2024 08:33

SannaK · 21/06/2024 08:21

Ok second time

Lol at all those assuming I'm a financial predator. I quit like that actually;)

Yes I meant boobs. It's a joke lighten up. I'm a right looker I am!

Market place Virgin thanks for that info. I'm in between HW n appointment and grateful but a bit taken abavk by all the messages so sorry if I can't reply to everyone.
My friends hubby recently died, they were married had one son. The ex wife and her daughter are now petitioning for the house because her name is not on the deeds. This worries me, but it's early days.
He is a lovely man.

I don't have any financial assets. I have a daughter from a previous she's an adult now.

I did own house n car but through a combination of bad choices in terms of men and my own foolishness I now rent.

Ironically I'm in a more vulnerable position than chap or chaps son. In that having no assets or even savings if he decides to chuck me or if son contests stuff on his demise, I'll be homeless given the state of the rental market.

But that's your problem, not his. It's not anyone else's responsibility to support you financially. I'm not a homeowner either but I wouldn't expect a man to leave his assets to me when I did nothing to earn them.

MissUltraViolet · 21/06/2024 08:32

So stay living in your rental and don't move in with him?

Would you be better off financially if you did move in with him, would he want you to pay rent? would it be less than your current rent and allow you to start a savings pot for emergencies?

Renting isn't safe, your landlord could decide to sell up and hoof you out at any point also. Your chap is being very generous with his offer, especially after only months of dating. You surely cannot be complaining he will leave his house to his son and not you whilst still offering to allow you to live there until death AND have his pension?

silverhamster · 21/06/2024 08:31

If you want to protect yourself in case everything goes pearshaped, which is a sensible thing to do, I'd save an equivalent amount each month to what you pay in rent now.

At the very least that should enable you to pay a year's rent upfront to get another place if you ever needed to.

That's on the assumption you won't be paying him rent?

silverhamster · 21/06/2024 08:23

"A male colleague said it was cheeky and that I was just going to be a house sitter."

He's right really, but not in the way he meant it! If your very generous chap died early in the marriage and you sat in the house until you were maybe 90 just because you could, leaving the adult son to have to deal with the house when he is potentially elderly himself, that would be cheeky! Would you be able to afford to maintain and repair the house from the spouse pension? Usually they are quite small compared to the original pension.

I had a relationship with a woman I couldn't have been any more in love with, and when we were discussing her moving into my house I still proposed that if I died she'd have two years living in my house before it was to be sold so my kids could inherit. If we'd lived together a few years I would have increased the time she had living here. Fair enough she had very extensive assets of her own so she didn't need housing 'protection', but if she'd been without assets it still wouldn't have been my responsibility to provide her with my assets at the expense of my children.

If anything I would say your chap is being extremely generous.

OMGsamesame · 21/06/2024 08:22

Nottherealslimshady · 21/06/2024 07:59

I really don't know. I feel like marriage comes with the expectation that you're going to look after eachother. Especially with the age gap, you could spend a good chunk of your years as his carer, feels a bit unbalanced. But then would it be fair for you to have his life's work after a few years marriage? No.
I think so long as you have a lifetimes interest to live there you're benefitting aren't you, it doesn't matter to you who gets it after you die.
Dating later in life must be quite difficult and complicated.

She sounds well looked after! No mortgage or rent to pay, income from pension after his death.

SannaK · 21/06/2024 08:22

Ps Sparkletastic Absolutely!

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Lindy2 · 21/06/2024 08:22

Why do you think you should inherit the house rather than his son?

You've known this person 6 months! Are you just in this relationship to see what assets you can aquire? If so leave this poor man alone.

SannaK · 21/06/2024 08:21

Ok second time

Lol at all those assuming I'm a financial predator. I quit like that actually;)

Yes I meant boobs. It's a joke lighten up. I'm a right looker I am!

Market place Virgin thanks for that info. I'm in between HW n appointment and grateful but a bit taken abavk by all the messages so sorry if I can't reply to everyone.
My friends hubby recently died, they were married had one son. The ex wife and her daughter are now petitioning for the house because her name is not on the deeds. This worries me, but it's early days.
He is a lovely man.

I don't have any financial assets. I have a daughter from a previous she's an adult now.

I did own house n car but through a combination of bad choices in terms of men and my own foolishness I now rent.

Ironically I'm in a more vulnerable position than chap or chaps son. In that having no assets or even savings if he decides to chuck me or if son contests stuff on his demise, I'll be homeless given the state of the rental market.

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OMGsamesame · 21/06/2024 08:20

Triskeline · 21/06/2024 06:56

It’s what any responsible parent aged 69 contemplating marriage after a brief relationship would do. OP, it’s not his problem if you have no assets. And why on earth would you be discussing your future husband’s will with a colleague?

You’re obviously perfectly entitled to end the relationship if having a pension and a free place to live for life aren’t enough compensation for your personal ‘assets’.

This.