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Boyfriend wants me to put his car under my car insurance

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CrossingBoundaries007 · 21/06/2024 04:52

Sorry for the log post. First for the backstory I have been dating this he's really nice, kind, affectionate, not stingy etc. He has expressed a desire to to marry me. He is divorced with 3 kids.

The issue is that when we met he told me about his bad credit. I wasn't really sure why but he had some debt, so hasn't been able to get a mortgage but he is self employed (contractor) earns comfortably so he's been trying to pay it off.

The issue now is recently he's found it hard to pay his bills. He works hard but the contacts have not been as consistent and many don't pay as well as before. He's just told me he can't pay his car insurance which was really high and he can't pay his rent and he pays the rent of his ex wife ) (in full) who the children live with and he has a child in a fee private school school fees is around 7k. He never discussed his choice to put his child in private school with me he just told me after the fact and that's a big part of my he has large outgoings. He's now finding it hard to pay that also.

The insurance company have cancelled his insurance for not paying and he really needs his car to drive to work which can be very far away sometimes.

i want to help him I suggested speaking to citizens advice etc but he's suggested I put his car under my name so he can continue to drive it. He has about 12 points on his licence (speeding) and is at risk of losing his licence which he's going to court for to appeal.

I feel bad for him but what would you wise ladies do in this situation. A I being unreasonable to say no. I'm a single mum btw.

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RampantIvy · 21/06/2024 08:18

Basically, he sounds like he has been dishonest with you from the start, and now wants you to commit fraud.

It would be interesting to hear his ex's side of the story. I'll bet she divorced him because he is so irresponsible.

I also bet that he has told you that she is psychotic.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 21/06/2024 08:17

CrossingBoundaries007 · 21/06/2024 08:13

He chose to pay the rent as a way of helping and supporting the kids since that's where they live. I've always thought they should split it but I just kept my nose out of it and out of their drama as a whole cos there's loads of it despite all he does for the kids.

Well he needs to keep his nose out of your financial business.
He's prioritising his children you should prioritise yours

ruffler45 · 21/06/2024 08:17

Never in a month of Sundays, he is getting deeper and deeper and would have consequences on your insurance history if he had an accident.

Could he pay the premium even if in your name? My guess it is a roundabout way of borrowing off you, again another risk to your credit rating..

TheTartfulLodger · 21/06/2024 08:16

CrossingBoundaries007 · 21/06/2024 08:13

He chose to pay the rent as a way of helping and supporting the kids since that's where they live. I've always thought they should split it but I just kept my nose out of it and out of their drama as a whole cos there's loads of it despite all he does for the kids.

The way you support the kids is by paying maintenance and the ex claiming benefits. What about the school he can't afford, who chose that?

CrossingBoundaries007 · 21/06/2024 08:13

TheTartfulLodger · 21/06/2024 08:10

This exactly. What happened with the divorce? Ask him why he is divorced but pays his ex wife's full rent. This is really unusual, especially when she will qualify for state help with rent. No divorce court would have ordered him to do that so he's obviously choosing to even though she can get her rent paid by UC, although I'm not sure if she can claim benefits while her child is in private education? Is he still going to pay her full rent when she moves her new boyfriend in? What about the other 2 children? Is he going to put them in private education too or will they just slum it in state school? There's just too many questions with this man I don't think you'll get straight answers to.

He chose to pay the rent as a way of helping and supporting the kids since that's where they live. I've always thought they should split it but I just kept my nose out of it and out of their drama as a whole cos there's loads of it despite all he does for the kids.

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Viviennemary · 21/06/2024 08:12

No you shouldn't. He has heavy financial commitments which means he can't pay his other bills. That is absolutely not your problem. It isn't as if he has no money. He has got money which is all spoken for.

TheTartfulLodger · 21/06/2024 08:10

Meadowfinch · 21/06/2024 08:00

This with bells on.

If they have a divorce settlement, the court will have left each of them with enough to live on. The reason he is skint is because HE is rubbish with money.

And anyway using your insurance to cover someone else, when they are primary driver is Insurance Fraud. Don't be drawn in.

This exactly. What happened with the divorce? Ask him why he is divorced but pays his ex wife's full rent. This is really unusual, especially when she will qualify for state help with rent. No divorce court would have ordered him to do that so he's obviously choosing to even though she can get her rent paid by UC, although I'm not sure if she can claim benefits while her child is in private education? Is he still going to pay her full rent when she moves her new boyfriend in? What about the other 2 children? Is he going to put them in private education too or will they just slum it in state school? There's just too many questions with this man I don't think you'll get straight answers to.

LookItsMeAgain · 21/06/2024 08:09

He's already got 12 penalty points for speeding. Do you think that he will suddenly slow down just because his car would be under your insurance? What if he had an accident, from speeding or something else while under your insurance - your expenses would increase significantly too.

He got the 12 points on his license, he can slow down and get them off his license by behaving better on the roads.

Don't insure him. There is a reason why the people who this is their business are backing away from him for this purpose. They can see he's a huge liability so are making insurance exorbitant as a result.

Thriving30 · 21/06/2024 08:07

His financial decisions don't make any sense. That's why people are telling you to run!

LightSpeeds · 21/06/2024 08:06

"He has about 12 points on his licence (speeding) and is at risk of losing his licence which he's going to court for to appeal. "

So, it's not just that he can't afford his insurance - he's also irresponsible.

To be honest, given the list of misdemeanours you've given, he sounds like trouble. You aren't going to be in for a good time with him, ultimately.

Don't get involved with his finances (and, preferably don't continue with the relationship).

sashh · 21/06/2024 08:04

CrossingBoundaries007 · 21/06/2024 05:02

Why shouldn't I help, stupid question i know 🙈

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Because he is playing you for a fool.

12 points means he has already lost his licence, that is why he can't get insurance. He is trying to involve you in fraud. He also wants to fill up your licence.

If he has a mortgage then he will not be paying rent as well. I doubt he is paying his ex wife's rent.

RUN.

VJBR · 21/06/2024 08:02

Be strong OP. Don’t let him emotionally manipulate you to doing something that would negatively affect you and your child.

Meadowfinch · 21/06/2024 08:00

Lifesucks2024 · 21/06/2024 05:07

Because he's relying on you early on in a relationship.
Because he is clearly a terrible driver and has 12 points on his licence.
Because he shouldn't have children in private school if he can't afford car insurance or bills.
Because it's not your problem to fix and you'll never see that money again.
Because your name will be linked to dangerous driving and your own insurance premiums could they skyrocket.
Because he's shit with money and makes poor decisions.

This with bells on.

If they have a divorce settlement, the court will have left each of them with enough to live on. The reason he is skint is because HE is rubbish with money.

And anyway using your insurance to cover someone else, when they are primary driver is Insurance Fraud. Don't be drawn in.

Daleksatemyshed · 21/06/2024 07:58

You may like him but that will come at a high price Op. He can't drive with no insurance, he'll make less money, can't pay the rent, moves in with you, can't pay his way. In a year you'll be back here saying his DC spend every other weekend with you, you're childcare, driver, paying for the kids days out and the bills
Say No Op, spare yourself all that aggro and money

ZekeZeke · 21/06/2024 07:55

CrossingBoundaries007 · 21/06/2024 06:22

😭😭😭
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much older than you think... thanks for the harsh honesty... I needed to hear it. I've ended the relationship several times because of my concerns but he always comes back and I haven't found anyone else who I like 😢

Sounds like some trauma bonding you have.
Rather than loan him any more money, use it for therapy.

StarsBeneathMyFeet · 21/06/2024 07:55

I don’t think divorced with 3 kids is automatically a ‘hell no’. I’m dating someone in that position. (Not rushing in to progressing beyond dating any time soon).

This man will drag you down. You can’t really commend someone for being generous if they are in debt! Why on earth did he apply for private school for his DC when he clearly can’t afford it?! Why is he paying full rent for his ex when he can’t afford it? Sounds like in that respect he is being ridiculous.
I agree adding him to your insurance is not only fraudulent but a recipe for disaster for you. If you agree to this, it’s a slippery slope.
One of the biggest red flags is that you’ve broken up with him multiple times and yet he comes back and you take him back. Why is that? Does he come round to your house? Or call/text? It sounds like he had some pull over you. Logically you know he’s a walking red flag. I’d suggest doing the Freedom Programme online (it’s only about £15). Read up on love bombing and trauma bonding. Tell yourself being single outweighs a relationship with someone who drags you down! Dump him then block him everywhere and if he comes round, get a Ring doorbell so you can avoid answering the door to him. Money better spent than paying for his insurance!

Starlightstarbright3 · 21/06/2024 07:54

He has somewhere along the line agreed to fund private education . He isn’t passive in this

Your dc isn’t in private education . Your priority isn’t in education . He can’t manage monthly payments on car insurance with 12 points . So now has car insurance in his name is going to be an absolute fortune if her even isn’t banned .

He can’t afford his basic bills - he can’t afford to date . He can’t afford a drink in the pub .

You haven’t budgeted badly . The fact he borrowed and paid it back has no bearing in that that is how it starts .. it gets to the well sorry can’t pay you back this time .

You absolutely deserve more . You might not have met anyone else yet but maybe you need to be single a while so you realise you are doing this alone - you don’t need someone else but someone who adds to your life is great.

PeloMom · 21/06/2024 07:48

CrossingBoundaries007 · 21/06/2024 05:02

Why shouldn't I help, stupid question i know 🙈

Edited

Because he makes (bad) financial decisions without your input/ on his own but then expects you to bail him.
this is just the beginning of his asks
if you put the car on your name and he continues to drive recklessly it will be reflected on your premiums - why would you do that?
I see zero reasons for you to get involved in helping him. In fact, he’s a walking red flag, so RUN

Lifesucks2024 · 21/06/2024 07:47

CrossingBoundaries007 · 21/06/2024 07:30

You all all painfully right.

TBF, he didn't have all the points until recently when I first met him he only had 3. I've known him for a couple of years and it was never this bad he's paid for all his bills without issues (including bent) but it's just recently that shits hit the fan. He's always been honest that he's bad with money and I try to advise while not overstepping my boundaries.

Why would you choose to be with someone who from the offset declares he's bad with money. There's better people out there.

Gutted101 · 21/06/2024 07:47

Run . Immediately . This will get worse and he will prioritise ex and kids every time .

HandsDown84 · 21/06/2024 07:45

Lurkingandlearning · 21/06/2024 06:07

Because if you put him in your policy as an additional named diver all his previous “form” will be included on your policy and your premium will increase accordingly.

As his poor driving history means he can’t afford insurance why would paying his share of your premium be any different? He’s just hoping you will pay.

I think you can expect a lot of that if you continue a relationship with him.

Agreed with all of this. Don't financially tie yourself to this man and definitely don't mess about with your insurance.

CrossingBoundaries007 · 21/06/2024 07:44

TemuSpecialBuy · 21/06/2024 07:35

I just noticed your username 🙈🙈🙈
Crossing boundaries indeed....

Edited

Don't worry I'm off to update it to "creating boundaries" 🤧😭

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Ragwort · 21/06/2024 07:44

Are you just desperate to have a man in your life?

He sounds awful, self employed yet admits he's 'bad with money' .. that just sounds like he's trying to downplay the seriousness of it 'silly me, I've never been good with money' ... yet he can put his DC in private school Hmm?

I can't see any 'good' points from your list ... and surely if you've been on Mumsnet long enough you know that single mothers are very attractive to divorced dads looking for a home, substitute mother for their DC and sex on tap ... and this one wants you to pay his car insurance as well!

TheTartfulLodger · 21/06/2024 07:44

Variolia · 21/06/2024 07:39

This one is so bad!

He is demonstrably a shit driver - but you have to ask why it’s a bad idea to insure him illegally (fronting) and when he crashes you’ll be investigated for insurance fraud and will lose your no claims…

As for the situation with his wife and kids… wow

just toxic all round!

She may also find herself blacklisted from getting insurance herself as it's fraudulent.

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 21/06/2024 07:43

Ive said you are being unreasonable because i believe you are being unreasonable to date him.

he makes bad decision after bad decision. All the consequences he is facing are a result of an entitled attitude.

i missed how long you have been dating this man?