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To think that owning your own home doesn't give you the right to be rude and entitled?

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k2493 · 20/06/2024 23:17

AIBU to think that owning your own home doesn't give you the right to be rude and entitled?

We have been having issues with our neighbours and how entitled they appear to be for years now. i.e please stop allowing your guests to park where they block our driveway.

We have asked the agent but we keep getting told try to have a discussion.

Well I finally had enough and politely asked must you constantly allow your guests to block our driveway? It's making our life very difficult. The response straight away was Do you own your property? Nope. Well we do.

What the actual? I am genuinely confused. Does it really matter in this day and age whether you rent or own? DH says he's a twat because it should have nothing to do with money but if he wants to play that game, we pay 1.5 times more in rent than he does for his mortgage so he needs to get a life.

Also I appreciate there have been some bad tenants in the past but there's a lot of us good ones and I appreciate not all home owners are this bias but surely this is bang out of order lording it over and thinking it's there god given right because they own and we don't. I work with clients needing housing all the time so I know how severe the housing shortage is at the moment. Surely anyone who is keeping a roof over there head at the moment is doing a great job mortgage, tenant or otherwise. Why do we deserve less respect because we are renting.

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Phoenixfire1988 · 26/06/2024 15:59

Do you have a dropped kerb ? If so start getting the cars towed or ticketed they will soon stop

bringmorewashing · 21/06/2024 15:30

They just sound like bigots who need to make themselves feel superior somehow - if not home ownership it would be something else.

When we bought our house the next-door neighbours (shared wall) were very outspoken about where they thought we should put our TV, how often they think we should have visitors, etc. Always watching what we're up to and commenting. Truthfully I was surprised when I found out they rent their house. But they're just busybodies. Renting vs owning makes no difference to anything.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 21/06/2024 14:47

No one has any more or less rights in this case irrespective of whether they own outright, pay a mortgage or pay rent and irrespective of who pays the most…..it’s not a competition.

If your neighbour is blocking your drive and in so doing on the land which you rent then point this out to him.

OnTheRightSideOfGeography · 21/06/2024 14:45

Greenleavesinthesun · 21/06/2024 12:10

Maybe he means by it that he doesn’t have the option to move but you do?

Yet, ironically, HE is the one who is giving cause to the neighbours to want to move away from him!

It's funny how many smug owners will be aghast at renters being antisocial/unpleasant neighbours - yet they then go on to behave exactly as they are assuming that the (usually perfectly decent) renters will!

socks1107 · 21/06/2024 14:38

I once part owned and part rented a property on a scheme, some boys broke a football net in the park at my front garden and I asked them nicely to get their parents.
The mum screamed in my face that was I nothing more than a renter and my sort weren't welcome round here.
Next week we put the house on the market and moved within the year. I was visibly pregnant at the time and I didn't want my child seeing that type of abuse at her front door

Ireolu · 21/06/2024 14:33

There will be parking enforcement with the council. Call them when they block you in again. The ones in our area come within 15 mins. It's probably a bit of an earner for the council. Wouldn't even bother discussing with the neighbour. Owner of the car will get a ticket. We did this on a few occasions with our neighbours. They have been more mindful of how they park their cars since then.

OnTheRightSideOfGeography · 21/06/2024 14:29

decionsdecisions62 · 21/06/2024 07:54

A few people see rental houses on their street as a negative I'm afraid. They think it dents their property value. Quite often but not always it does. Very few people then go on to verbally abuse those that are living there. They are psychos.

Eh? How does it affect the value of a house - and the surrounding houses - if X owns and lives in it or if X owns it and then Y pays them to live in it instead?

I can understand if it's council/social housing in a place where a few antisocial nightmare families have been placed, who then get a reputation that is grossly unfairly extended to the whole social-housing development/area; but that's very unlikely to be the case with private rentals.

TheTartfulLodger · 21/06/2024 14:28

Riversideandrelax · 21/06/2024 00:07

But you still don't know what mortgage someone needed to take out?

Not really the point of the thread though either way.

aLFIESMA · 21/06/2024 14:24

I agree that there is no end to the justification of the entitled knob! Nowt to do with reality in the Land Of MeeeeGrin

CassandraWebb · 21/06/2024 14:22

OnTheRightSideOfGeography · 21/06/2024 14:19

I don't think it is silly, actually; or at least no sillier than the ideas that the homeowner idiots have already begun.

This kind of homeowner (and it isn't the majority of us who happen to have been fortunate enough to get our feet on the property ladder - it's only a minority) usually base their imagined 'superiority' on the 'fact' that they are more prosperous and pay more for and have invested more in their homes and are therefore worthier than somebody who pays a 'little' monthly fee to be allowed to 'bunk' there temporarily.

In fact, there are loads of people (including us) who wouldn't have a hope of being able to afford the much higher market rent for their homes, if they hadn't been lucky enough for things to fall into place in the past so that they now have their names on the title deeds, instead of a landlord owning it.

Totally agree with this (and I am a homeowner)

It's revolting that some people think they are better than someone else just because they had to good fortune to get on the housing ladder at the right time

OnTheRightSideOfGeography · 21/06/2024 14:19

swayingpalmtree · 21/06/2024 06:46

we pay 1.5 times more in rent than he does for his mortgage so he needs to get a life

He sounds truly awful but what on earth has this got to do with anything? This is just as silly isnt it?

I don't think it is silly, actually; or at least no sillier than the ideas that the homeowner idiots have already begun.

This kind of homeowner (and it isn't the majority of us who happen to have been fortunate enough to get our feet on the property ladder - it's only a minority) usually base their imagined 'superiority' on the 'fact' that they are more prosperous and pay more for and have invested more in their homes and are therefore worthier than somebody who pays a 'little' monthly fee to be allowed to 'bunk' there temporarily.

In fact, there are loads of people (including us) who wouldn't have a hope of being able to afford the much higher market rent for their homes, if they hadn't been lucky enough for things to fall into place in the past so that they now have their names on the title deeds, instead of a landlord owning it.

OnTheRightSideOfGeography · 21/06/2024 14:08

shittestusernameever · 21/06/2024 04:35

@OnTheRightSideOfGeography racism? What? 🙄

I'm not saying that it's a conclusive correlation in all cases; just that the kind of people who dedicate their lives to starting petty squabbles and throwing their weight around trying to find any 'reason' to 'prove' that they are somehow better than everybody else - they own and you 'only' rent; they've lived here for 40 years and you've 'only' been here 20 years; they have a fancy expensive new car and you 'only' have an older modest model etc. - are frequently the exact kind who will also go with the same stupid, nasty mindset that they 'must be better than you' because, erm, they happen to have skin that's a different colour from yours.

Greenleavesinthesun · 21/06/2024 12:10

Maybe he means by it that he doesn’t have the option to move but you do?

Crikeyalmighty · 21/06/2024 12:05

@Ponoka7 not the case on my house- the mortgage would be much much higher than the rent. And for anyone buying now in a decent area needing over £250k mortgage I think many would find the same- obviously if interest rates dropped by several percent that's different - our house would be £950k approx to buy - and it's not huge.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 21/06/2024 11:54

GoneFishingToday · 21/06/2024 00:29

Next time he's openly obnoxious to you OP, I'd be inclined to remind him that a dispute with his neighbours could make it VERY difficult for him if he ever wants to sell HIS home, (he'd have to declare a dispute with his neighbours on the sale paperwork) so he might just want to think about that, before he causes you problems in the future! Ignorant pig that he is!

Really good advice. If you complain to the council about him, then he would definitely have to declare it if he sold so telling him that might change his entitled attitude.

Foxblue · 21/06/2024 11:54

Tiredalwaystired · 21/06/2024 09:12

Not necessarily. They might have remortgaged £££ for renovation works. You have no idea what that might have added to a mortgage.

Ah yes, sorry I thought that was implied by my note about the myriad of variables!

Justspeculating45 · 21/06/2024 11:51

The law doesn't care whether you're tenants or not, if they're obstructing your drive way, call the police.

Ponoka7 · 21/06/2024 11:47

PoppyCherryDog · 21/06/2024 08:31

You can’t look up what rate their mortgage is on, what term it is and what their deposit was though 😂

Buy-to-lets are profitable because a mortgage, even at a higher rate is cheaper than the rents. Assuming a minimum deposit on 25 years, the rents are still higher. They could remortgage on a high rate and extend, but it would still be rare for the cost to exceed the rent for the equivalent house.

Ponoka7 · 21/06/2024 11:43

Riversideandrelax · 21/06/2024 00:07

But you still don't know what mortgage someone needed to take out?

If you assume that they had the minimum deposit, then generally that is still lower than the rents. Which is why buy-to-lets are profitable.

Crikeyalmighty · 21/06/2024 11:10

Im afraid there are plenty of mumsnetters guilty of the 'just tenants' - or 'you will have to move into rental' too .

We pay a bomb to live in our very lovely 4 bed rental home in a beautiful city- could we buy? Nope, because we suddenly started earning very well at a point we were too old to get a mortgage over anything but a very short period. Could we buy elsewhere- probably yes- but not anywhere we would actually remotely want to live and we are against buyto let's. We do have other plans at what we would do further down the line-

If anyone wants to act superior to me they will get very short thrift as my rent is probably 3x their mortgage and is my 'home'

poetryandwine · 21/06/2024 10:52

orangeleopard · 21/06/2024 08:22

I’m having a very similar issue. I live on a nice new build ‘estate’ where all of the houses are owned and are worth around £1m+. On this estate is two small council block of flats, we pay over £1k to the council so our rent isn’t cheap - but they treat us like crap because we’re council and they own their homes. The flats have a car park where we have allocated parking spaces. The houses don’t want to lower the status of the area by making it look ‘messy’ with cars on the road so they send their visitors to park in our car park - which means them parking in our allocated spaces. I mean when people have parties, all guests park in our car park which means none of us residents cannot park in our own spaces. I have brought it up the council and they do nothing, yet when one of the houses bring something up - the council send out a letter to state to ‘not park on the kerbs/road’. I have two allocated spaces and one car and a lot of the time cannot get one of my spaces. These houses have garage/garages AND large drives and still have the audacity to use our carpark. Yet they think because they own their homes and we’re ’just’ council that we’re beneath them.

This is awful. Can you buy bollards or something to save your parking spots when you vacate them?

You shouldn’t need to, of course. But in your shoes I think I would, if only to annoy those awful homeowners

GasPanic · 21/06/2024 10:50

There are a lot of people out their who seem to think "renting from the bank" makes them superior to tenants.

I would just block their drive with your car. When they complain, just tell them "we're only tenants here so we don't give a shit".

StarOf · 21/06/2024 10:46

They sound batshit crazy OP. The entitlement of them is disgraceful. People are awful regardless of whether they have a mortgage or rent, it’s just their mentality.

Livelovebehappy · 21/06/2024 10:42

SomePosters · 21/06/2024 09:29

Start letting their tyres down, cap off, mung bean under, cap on. 30 seconds.

its not criminal damage but it’s very inconvenient for them and they will soon learn that it’s easier to park elsewhere

Some people won’t play nice so there is no point trying to play nice with them, sadly.
I would much rather live in a world where we just be considerate of each other but what can you do?

How's this not criminal damage?

Livelovebehappy · 21/06/2024 10:40

EnglishBluebell · 21/06/2024 09:06

Us single parents (99.99% of us did NOT choose to become single parents btw) experience the same judgement. Arguably worse as it's almost daily for me! I became a single parent as I was widowed.... I now have a partner but I still get judgement

Try being a single parent AND private rent. The judgement is then off the scale. Happened with me before I got back on the housing ladder, and I got loads of judgement from my neighbours.