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How do I get over my mum telling lies about me?

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allatseawiththis · 20/06/2024 14:50

As the title says, my mum tells lies about me. This happens usually when I do something she doesn’t like, or when I have a big life event which she’s not in control over.

The latest example is that she told my sibling that DH and I hadn’t told her when our next scan is (I’m currently expecting DC1). The thing is, I was sitting opposite my mum and next to DH when he looked in his phone calendar for the scan date and told her. My dad was there too, but apparently ‘really doesn’t remember’.

Previously, when I moved to DH’s town when our relationship was getting more serious, she told my family that I’d moved without telling her where I’d gone. In fact, not only had I told her, I’d also written down the address for her on a piece of paper.

She also likes to rewrite the past - apparently I caused her ‘a lot more bother’ at school than my sibling, even though every one of my school reports without exception said that it’d be nice if I actually spoke in class or put my hand up occasionally.

I’m just sick and tired of her lying and getting away with it. I asked my dad why he let her lie about the scan and he said he genuinely can’t remember being told when it was - we were all sitting there together!

If I lower contact, I get bombarded with calls and messages about how I don’t love her. In the past, she sent me an email saying that if she walked in front of a lorry tomorrow, then I’d regret not seeing her more.

How do I get over this?

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FofB · 10/09/2024 13:03

OP, I wish you luck. I found becoming a Mum gave me power. I loved my children so very much; I just couldn't understand how she could treat me the way she did. You may find that people fob you off with 'oh but she's your Mum.....' Remember, the reason they do this is because usually Mums do care for their children and these people find it difficult to comprehend what it's like to have a Mum who isn't.....a Mum.

I see my Mum once a year and have no other contact. I don't miss her because she was never the person who cared for me anyway.

pikkumyy77 · 09/09/2024 18:00

Yes! They thrive on our silence and they play up the ambiguity or assert “recollections may vary.” But it is really important for your mental health and for your children’s safety that you know the truth and you stand up for your child self, even if only retrospectively or even if only in a text you never share with the police.

You have to do what you have to do to avoid having this woman in your life but given the history you have shared she is not a teal danger to you and your baby in the sense that she would have the nerve to kidnap the baby. A person like your mum is easily controlled by their desire to avoid public shame and humiliation.

Don’t let her near you during this vulnerable time (your pregnancy, labour, and the first year). If they threaten to come just day “I will not let you in and if you make a fuss I will tell everyone how awful you have been.” She and your father have more than enough guilty conscience to fill in the blanks. You don’t have to be specific.

Plantheads5 · 09/09/2024 17:52

Well done.
You are breaking the possibility of intergenerational abuse by going no contact with your parents.
This is the act of a very loving brave woman and mother.
Keep a copy of that document it may be useful.

allatseawiththis · 09/09/2024 16:35

At the same time, it’s really cathartic to get everything out into one document. I don’t have to hold it all in my head, and I can actually share it and continue to be frank and open about my mum’s behaviour with other people. People who behave like this thrive on our silence, don’t they?

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allatseawiththis · 09/09/2024 16:30

Thank you @pikkumyy77. I agree with you. It’s such a horrible situation - I think she’s really unwell, but that isn’t and never was our fault.

My document of her behaviour over the years has hit 7 pages and seeing it all like this (I’ve made it into bullet points and grouped into ‘ages’ to try to make it easier to read), it’s pretty unpleasant and damning to read. I hope it’s useful context when I take it to the station. Emotional abuse is so hard to prove, isn’t it, because it’s just my word/memories with no physical evidence, but the effects are so so damaging.

It’s actually hideous to read through everything and then think about how I’m ‘too sensitive’ according to my dad, and how ‘she’s so looking forward to being a granny’. It’s sickening and they’ve really done a number on us.

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pikkumyy77 · 09/09/2024 11:41

I reread the thread to refresh my memory and I really think its time to go no contact.

Your mother can not self regulate . She can not take in any information that affects her enormous, wounded, ego. So absolutely no limit setting will work with her. She is an emotional rogue elephant and all of societies guardrails or your guard rails are just toothpicks to her.

Tell your father that for the safety of yourself and your children you are ending the relationship with her and he is not to bring her around, or call or negotiate on her behalf. You will not accept visits, calls, letters, criticism, or praise. Its done. Over.

Don't bother trying to have the conversation with her. She is not only borderline she has narcissistic personality disorder. She can not accept information contrary to her own viewpoint. She will crumble, explode, lash out, destroy and self destruct when confronted with failure or shame.

Your father is her enabler, tool, servant, courier. He has chosen subservience all these years. So let him do his job. He can handle her. You don’t have to.

This is blunt but your life is important! Your lovely marriage and DH’s normal family are important. Your children are/will be important and precious. You can not expose them to this cruel horror of a mother.

allatseawiththis · 09/09/2024 11:37

I received a reply almost straightaway suggesting I report a current or previous safeguarding concern. I’m planning to go and have a chat with someone at a local station about it at the end of the week - I wrote out an account of everything I can remember going back to our earliest years and it’s about 5 pages long, so far too long to fit in the online form. I’ll print it and take it with me in the hope someone at the station might read it.

My mum is also a chair of governors at a primary school. The term ‘safeguarding’ in the police reply has made me think about this more this morning. This has made me feel very uncomfortable for a long time, that she’s got a DBS check (because nothing has ever been reported or raised with authorities before) and is in this very important community role. It’s not that I think she’d harm them, as I think that’s specifically reserved for her own children (particularly me), but it’s more the hypocrisy that she’s outwardly a pillar of the community and in private is a deeply disturbed and harmful individual.

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allatseawiththis · 09/09/2024 10:31

Thank you all for your replies. I’ve sent a message this morning to ask for advice and also to share my account of the abusive behaviour with someone. Thanks again x

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Plantheads5 · 07/09/2024 05:25

Agree with others.

Your mother, and your childhood environment are toxic.
You have clear and legitimate worries about your mothers stated intentions.
You have been advised to alert authorities.
This is going to be both a special but tiring time for you.
You really do not need to be navigating toxic people.
Report it as advised.
But also consider your future.
Do you really want your child and your family life tainted by your history?
You have a choice to drop the rope and stop engaging with this toxicity before your baby arrives.
You, your baby and your new family deserve the best start of peace and calm.

She will try to take over and make this time about her.
I wouldn't want her near my home or baby.
Please take the professional advice you asked for and were given by the midwife.

beanii · 06/09/2024 17:06

allatseawiththis · 06/09/2024 12:10

Hi everyone,

sorry to bump this thread as it’s from ages ago, but it seemed to make more sense maybe than making a new one without all of the context of this one.

I’m 30-ish weeks pregnant and a few weeks ago, my mum made a comment that she ‘would have to come up and pinch’ or ‘hijack’ my baby from his nursery. I felt incredibly uncomfortable about this language. When I raised it with my dad, he said I was just like him and ‘too sensitive’, and that my mum was clearly only joking. However, in the context of 30 years of her atrocious behaviour and trampling of any boundaries I’ve put in, I don’t see the funny side at all.

I mentioned her comments to my midwife at my latest appointment, and she is extremely concerned, to the point where she suggested I raise this with the police and/or social services as a serious safeguarding threat. It’s such a relief to have a person in real life and in her position take this seriously, but at the same time, I’m scared. Is it really that bad? Has anyone else had to do this with a family member, i.e. preemptively alert authorities or at least get advice from them about poor or abusive behaviour?

On the one hand, I feel relief to have shared my concerns and to ‘blow open’ my mum’s behaviour, which we’ve been trained to keep secret for so long, and on the other, I’m terrified that I’m overreacting. But I know at my very core that I don’t want her behaviour around my baby and I will need to be resolute about my boundaries in the postpartum period (she told me ‘we will have to arrange for [her] to be up all the time’ when the baby is here. Absolutely not.)

Sorry for the ramble. Can anyone advise about the police/social services?

To be brutally honest with you - I'd go no contact with them.

You cannot live life being scared - not healthy for anyone.

I've been no contact with my entire family for 5 years now and honestly it's the best decision I made - it was like a weight lifted knowing I didn't have to deal with it anymore.

pikkumyy77 · 06/09/2024 12:34

You are not overreacting! Your father’s response shows that you have been trained to under-react. Please follow the guidance of your midwife, go to the police and your social worker, and protect yourself and your baby.

Motnight · 06/09/2024 12:27

Hi Op. A health care professional has given you very clear advice. You would be remiss not to follow it.

Your family dynamic with your parents is very unhealthy, as you know. In your position I would seriously be going NC.

I know that this must be very hard for you, but you are your baby's advocate. They don't deserve to be born into this type of family dynamic.

allatseawiththis · 06/09/2024 12:10

Hi everyone,

sorry to bump this thread as it’s from ages ago, but it seemed to make more sense maybe than making a new one without all of the context of this one.

I’m 30-ish weeks pregnant and a few weeks ago, my mum made a comment that she ‘would have to come up and pinch’ or ‘hijack’ my baby from his nursery. I felt incredibly uncomfortable about this language. When I raised it with my dad, he said I was just like him and ‘too sensitive’, and that my mum was clearly only joking. However, in the context of 30 years of her atrocious behaviour and trampling of any boundaries I’ve put in, I don’t see the funny side at all.

I mentioned her comments to my midwife at my latest appointment, and she is extremely concerned, to the point where she suggested I raise this with the police and/or social services as a serious safeguarding threat. It’s such a relief to have a person in real life and in her position take this seriously, but at the same time, I’m scared. Is it really that bad? Has anyone else had to do this with a family member, i.e. preemptively alert authorities or at least get advice from them about poor or abusive behaviour?

On the one hand, I feel relief to have shared my concerns and to ‘blow open’ my mum’s behaviour, which we’ve been trained to keep secret for so long, and on the other, I’m terrified that I’m overreacting. But I know at my very core that I don’t want her behaviour around my baby and I will need to be resolute about my boundaries in the postpartum period (she told me ‘we will have to arrange for [her] to be up all the time’ when the baby is here. Absolutely not.)

Sorry for the ramble. Can anyone advise about the police/social services?

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MumsTheWordYouKnow · 26/06/2024 22:00

allatseawiththis · 26/06/2024 08:15

She’s different towards my sister but has been equally damaging, particularly where body image is concerned. Things like saying ‘let’s just ruffle this up over your tummy’ and rearranging her top to make her look ‘slimmer’, or saying to my sister after she’d been quite ill for a week or so that she looked great and really skinny. Both of these as a child, btw, 12-13 at the oldest.

But my sister goes and stays with my parents for the weekend every few weeks, so she sees more of mum ‘behind the scenes’ than I do and she seems to feel more desire to keep the peace (which usually means me forgoing the boundaries I’ve put in place and all the bloody time-consuming and expensive but worthwhile work I’ve done in counselling over the years).

I’m fed up of having to placate our mum, who never gives two hoots about how anyone else feels. Even after I had my miscarriage in December, mum wanted to know if I’d had a scan before they’d done the operation, at which point she goes ‘so it had died then’. She’s just not right and I’m not putting up with it any more.

Clearly, she isn’t right. Maybe a personality disorder. Even so that’s not your problem you shouldn’t live your life like that.

allatseawiththis · 26/06/2024 20:39

Plantheads5 · 26/06/2024 16:24

Your grandmother's death was too calm and drama free. She needed her fix of attention and upset, so she created it unnecessarily.
She couldn't even allow the woman die peacefully.
Your poor grandmother probably thought she was consistent right to the end.

One other thought OP, how do feel about your baby's pictures being posted on SM?
Give it some thought.
Your mother is the type to do this despite whatever you decide.
Classic attention seeking behaviour of putting up pictures irrespective of the parents wishes, doing the adoring GM act, putting herself at the centre of things.

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Oh god, that really hadn’t occurred to me 😣😔 I felt (and feel) so awful for granny’s brother, he had so wanted to say a prayer and had written it out and brought it with him, and my mum ruined his last moment with his sister.

No, I don’t want pictures on social media. Mine and DH’s are locked right down to friends only. Mum doesn’t tend to post any so I’m hoping that doesn’t change, but it’s another bridge to cross if we come to it.

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Plantheads5 · 26/06/2024 16:24

Your grandmother's death was too calm and drama free. She needed her fix of attention and upset, so she created it unnecessarily.
She couldn't even allow the woman die peacefully.
Your poor grandmother probably thought she was consistent right to the end.

One other thought OP, how do feel about your baby's pictures being posted on SM?
Give it some thought.
Your mother is the type to do this despite whatever you decide.
Classic attention seeking behaviour of putting up pictures irrespective of the parents wishes, doing the adoring GM act, putting herself at the centre of things.

allatseawiththis · 26/06/2024 10:42

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 26/06/2024 09:57

Please don't tell her when you go into labour! She will be a nightmare. Be careful how you handle telling her you've had your baby. Get your dh on board. Stop any talk of moving in 'to help you.' Practise scenarios with your DH so he knows how to deal with her. If she sees you moving away from her control more and more, she may try to do the same with your child. Don't be afraid of getting up and leaving if she starts her nonsense or telling your parents to go, if she behaves badly at your house. Keep your door locked so she can't just walk in. She sounds like a nightmare!

Thank you, no, I definitely won’t be telling her and dad about going into labour. I’m already envisaging a strop because somebody will have to look after our dog and my ILs normally look after her, so that’ll be wrong and bad, but hey 🤷🏻‍♀️

I’ve discussed childhood trauma and my relationship with my mum with my midwife already and will do so again in the lead up to birth, and be really clear that I do not want her anywhere near me in labour.

She does not react well to big events like this.

My granny (mum’s MIL) died in hospital a couple of years ago and we were all with her when the time came, it was calm and peaceful and we were saying our goodbyes, her brother was reading a prayer. And suddenly mum completely freaks out and runs off to get the nurses.

I still don’t understand why, because we knew granny was dying, that was why we were there. My dad called after her not to, but she ignored him, and when the nurses came in, it changed the atmosphere entirely and the nurses were in between us and granny when she died. It wasn’t what anyone wanted, but my mum just seemed to lose it.

She’s deeply emotionally immature and like a child in many ways. She was also furious when afterwards I wanted to go home to DH, I got the full glare (which is meant to scare us into submission) in the middle of the hospital lobby for that. My granny was a hugely important person in my childhood (she looked after us a lot of the time like a mother should have), and apparently I was wrong for wanting my DH at that moment after we lost her. It all baffles me.

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LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 26/06/2024 09:57

Please don't tell her when you go into labour! She will be a nightmare. Be careful how you handle telling her you've had your baby. Get your dh on board. Stop any talk of moving in 'to help you.' Practise scenarios with your DH so he knows how to deal with her. If she sees you moving away from her control more and more, she may try to do the same with your child. Don't be afraid of getting up and leaving if she starts her nonsense or telling your parents to go, if she behaves badly at your house. Keep your door locked so she can't just walk in. She sounds like a nightmare!

Workoutinthepark · 26/06/2024 09:36

allatseawiththis · 20/06/2024 16:31

Thank you @Beautifulbythebay. I really don’t want my baby exposed to this drama, but my dad told me (when I asked why he hadn’t corrected my mum about the scan) that she’s really looking forward to being a granny. But I don’t want her ‘being a granny’ if she’s happy to lie about me, her own daughter and her GC’s mum.

Yeah be careful about how she is with your child. She is a complete flaming narcissist so set strong boundaries and if it leads to seriously negative behaviours which it most likely will, walk away. She will want to be controlling over your baby too, and there will be times she won't want the attention taken off her by a little one, so might become even more attention seeking.

Can your DH have a chat with your dad ahead of the baby coming? To say there will need to be boundaries respected as a newborn stage is very, very intense on you, and it can't be all about what gran wants, she will have to respect some boundaries, and that if she doesn't, you're happy to see your dad only.

beanii · 26/06/2024 09:28

Sounds like narcissistic tendencies to be honest.

The only real way to deal with it is minimal or no contact - sounds harsh but nothing else works - she thinks everything she's done/said is 100% true.

Easiest way if you want to stay in contact is not engaging with it - just agree 'yes mum you're right, I didn't do
....' knowing you know the truth.

As for calls and texts - again only respond if YOU want to - put your phone on silent - delete texts without reading etc.

Good luck - I'm no contact with my entire family after 40 years (it's been 5 years now) - best thing I did.

CantDealwithChristmas · 26/06/2024 09:09

allatseawiththis · 26/06/2024 08:58

Thank you @CantDealwithChristmas, so sorry you have and have had similar difficulties.

I think it would help so much if the rest of my family would see her behaviour for what it is, and see that she’s not telling the truth about me. The fact my dad was right here when DH told them the date but claims he ‘genuinely can’t remember’ is so typical of him placating mum and throwing me under the bus. But there’s nothing I can do to change them or how they think/behave.

I do wish that something had been done to help mum or to investigate whether she needed a diagnosis/treatment for something, but all anyone cared about was tiptoeing around her and trying to placate her (my sister and I learned that behaviour from dad). And then the bulk of it was hidden from the wider family because we had an image to uphold. An adult in our lives should have done something a long long time ago, but nobody did and now I have to do what is right for me and my own little family in the current situation.

Yes I understand you want validation but you have to accept that you won't get it form your family. You could waste hours, days, months worth of frustration and heartache seeking family validation and the only person you'll have hurt is you.

I went to a therapist who validated a lot of my mum's treatment of me, including pointing out where her actions and violence consisted of illegal child abuse. This helped me a lot. Maybe you should consider seekign third party recognition and validation in this way?

allatseawiththis · 26/06/2024 08:58

Thank you @CantDealwithChristmas, so sorry you have and have had similar difficulties.

I think it would help so much if the rest of my family would see her behaviour for what it is, and see that she’s not telling the truth about me. The fact my dad was right here when DH told them the date but claims he ‘genuinely can’t remember’ is so typical of him placating mum and throwing me under the bus. But there’s nothing I can do to change them or how they think/behave.

I do wish that something had been done to help mum or to investigate whether she needed a diagnosis/treatment for something, but all anyone cared about was tiptoeing around her and trying to placate her (my sister and I learned that behaviour from dad). And then the bulk of it was hidden from the wider family because we had an image to uphold. An adult in our lives should have done something a long long time ago, but nobody did and now I have to do what is right for me and my own little family in the current situation.

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CantDealwithChristmas · 26/06/2024 08:45

I feel for you OP. My mother is like this, albeit also with a host of serious (and diagnosed) mental illnesses which make her very difficult to deal with.

My strategy is: low contact, but always polite and loving when in contact. Agree with everything she says (unless it's born of her mental illness in which case I use specific techniques her health workers have told me, which aren't relevant here). Don't disagree with or counter any fake or faulty memories. If she makes accusations, just move the subject on as quickly as possible.

I've learned the hard way after decades that this is the only way to protect my peace of mind and it works for me.

allatseawiththis · 26/06/2024 08:30

Weirdly, on the first day of my PGCE when mum was really kicking off, my dad drove up to see me and was crying in his car about it all, and he said he was worried that, because of how mum was behaving, I wouldn’t let him and mum see my children.

I was early twenties at the time and hadn’t been with DH very long, certainly not long enough to be thinking about children, so it seemed a weird thing to say at the time as they weren’t even on the radar. But actually, it does mean that he knew it wasn’t right, doesn’t it? And he predicted how I might feel 7-8 years later 🤷🏻‍♀️

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allatseawiththis · 26/06/2024 08:15

MumsTheWordYouKnow · 26/06/2024 07:27

Sounds like she has something amiss about her. Are you sure she doesn’t do this to your siblings. Just be matter of fact. Eg smile and say of course I told you.

She’s different towards my sister but has been equally damaging, particularly where body image is concerned. Things like saying ‘let’s just ruffle this up over your tummy’ and rearranging her top to make her look ‘slimmer’, or saying to my sister after she’d been quite ill for a week or so that she looked great and really skinny. Both of these as a child, btw, 12-13 at the oldest.

But my sister goes and stays with my parents for the weekend every few weeks, so she sees more of mum ‘behind the scenes’ than I do and she seems to feel more desire to keep the peace (which usually means me forgoing the boundaries I’ve put in place and all the bloody time-consuming and expensive but worthwhile work I’ve done in counselling over the years).

I’m fed up of having to placate our mum, who never gives two hoots about how anyone else feels. Even after I had my miscarriage in December, mum wanted to know if I’d had a scan before they’d done the operation, at which point she goes ‘so it had died then’. She’s just not right and I’m not putting up with it any more.

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