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6 year child - stranger talking about her penis

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hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 09:58

Trigger warning : sensitive topic around Gender Identity

I was at a work event (private garden - bring family along deal) and someone there is a transgender woman- she was tall, bearded ,hirsuite and wearing a dress and heels.
My daughter (6) was roaming around with the other kids and i think must have asked the lady why she was wearing a dress.
She explained that she ´was born a man with a willy , and is now a lady ’

Something jarred in me about a grown person talking about gentalia to a 6 year old child.
What does the mumsnet think?
AIBU to be annoyed?

OP posts:
JusteanBiscuits · 20/06/2024 15:58

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 15:52

@JusteanBiscuits nope.
To be described as "Pearl clutchy" is something I find offensive , and sounds like I am an out of touch , histrionic female.
No, I am a modern, intelligent, nuanced professional who is also a mother and thinks about benefits and risks very carefully when it comes to my kids and my professional reputation

Your reputation, but not willing to safeguard other peoples children?

There is nothing in your post that makes me think your child, or any other child, is at risk. BUT, you aren't willing to mention it, off record, to a manager to safeguard other peoples children. I find that pretty offensive. You knew you were starting a thread that would descend into transpeople being described as sexual deviants, perverts etc etc. Speaking to a manager, and asking them to speak to the transwoman about boundaries could prevent other people being in your situation. But you're not willing to do that, because - well, I can't work it out, as like I said, not even Stonewall would take offence at what you said.

Cattery · 20/06/2024 15:56

@Cailin66 Truly shocking. This really has all run away with itself

Bournetilly · 20/06/2024 15:55

This wouldn’t bother me, I can’t believe some of the responses.

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 15:53

@Cailin66 sadly I can't argue with you.

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hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 15:52

@JusteanBiscuits nope.
To be described as "Pearl clutchy" is something I find offensive , and sounds like I am an out of touch , histrionic female.
No, I am a modern, intelligent, nuanced professional who is also a mother and thinks about benefits and risks very carefully when it comes to my kids and my professional reputation

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JemOfAWoman · 20/06/2024 15:48

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hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 15:44

@AndiOliversGlasses I see thank you for explaining @HappierTimesAhead I understand now.

I am definitely am not in the business of making up stories online or otherwise.
What is quite sad is that I am not feeling brave enough to discuss it with friends IRL as I don't want to create divisions on my best friends' whatsapp groups

OP posts:
Cailin66 · 20/06/2024 15:43

Cattery · 20/06/2024 15:33

If you’ve had your penis removed then realise you’ve made a mistake where does that leave you

It leaves you with a life altering decision that there is no going back from. They are called detransitioners. There numbers are growing because many that believed themselves to be trans, having been swept up in the idea while very young and biddable, are now reaching proper adulthood in their mid twenties and realising that the drugs and hormones, plus surgery were wrong and that they are now incapable of having children. Even worse is they have destroyed their bodies and will need life long medical care. And because of the destruction of their bodies find it very difficult to attract sexual partners.

Needanewname42 · 20/06/2024 15:42

CactusMactus · 20/06/2024 15:24

It's weird, creepy and I would say bordering on sexually abusive.

I think it's beyond borderline.
He got a kick of some description out of it.
I would not trust this person as far as I could throw them. And certainly wouldn't allow my children to be anywhere near them.

Your second post is 100% correct nobody should be discussing genitalia with a child they don't know.

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2024 15:41

In terms of safeguarding, an adult discussing penises with a six year old without thinking how it might raise red flags isn't safeguarding.

Safeguarding isn't just about the child. It's also about protecting yourself from situations which can be misinterpreted.

Teachers have to follow certain protocols over certain issues to ensure they are not alone.

In terms of this situation, the fact that it sounds like there is no other present is very much part of the problem and demonstrates a lack of understanding of safeguarding by this adult.

That makes me ask questions.

Cattery · 20/06/2024 15:39

@HappierTimesAhead Much as I thought

HappierTimesAhead · 20/06/2024 15:36

Cattery · 20/06/2024 15:33

If you’ve had your penis removed then realise you’ve made a mistake where does that leave you

It leaves you still a man and with the same mental health issues that led you to remove a healthy part of your body.

LakeTiticaca · 20/06/2024 15:34

Cattery · 20/06/2024 15:33

If you’ve had your penis removed then realise you’ve made a mistake where does that leave you

Not sure, but you wont be a woman!!

FOJN · 20/06/2024 15:33

JusteanBiscuits · 20/06/2024 15:07

he claims but doesn't have any actual data to back it up.

And if you had bothered to actually read any of my posts, I have repeatedly said that it should have been fed back to a manager. I wouldn't have just left it to happen again. I have repeatedly said it should have been called out.

Please feel free to Google his body of work I think you will find he does have data, he's been researching and publishing on this subject for decades.

There is also data which shows that 50-60% (depends on the year) of transwomen in prison are sex offenders but in the male prison population the percentage of sex offenders is 15-20%.

Cattery · 20/06/2024 15:33

If you’ve had your penis removed then realise you’ve made a mistake where does that leave you

Cattery · 20/06/2024 15:31

whynotwhatknot · 20/06/2024 15:09

its a man in a dress

That’s where it begins and ends

AndiOliversGlasses · 20/06/2024 15:30

Cailin66 · 20/06/2024 15:18

all people who have had surgery are transwomen.

This is not true.

  • not all men who have had their penis removed is a transwoman
  • not all men who have deliberately had their penis removed call themselves a transwoman
  • men who have had their penis removed and realised they made a mistake are not transwomen

Less than 10% of transwomen have their penis removed. You seem to believe that the other 90% of trans woman are not trans. You don't have to have surgery to be trans. The truth is transexual men are quite attached to their penis.

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You seem to believe that the other 90% of trans woman are not trans.

Where did you get that from?

I literally said “not all trans women have had surgery”.

CactusMactus · 20/06/2024 15:26

The issue is not that it was a transperson. No adult should be taking about their genitals with children!

CactusMactus · 20/06/2024 15:24

It's weird, creepy and I would say bordering on sexually abusive.

Cailin66 · 20/06/2024 15:18

AndiOliversGlasses · 20/06/2024 13:58

Nope. First, I asked whether OP was using transwoman in her OP because that is the term that she felt HAD to be used for people who present like this colleague. I was asking whether anyone else at her work or the party had described this person as a transwoman.

Then I commented that there would have been more certainty about the label if the child had been told that the penis had been removed. In the sense that not all transwomen have had surgery but all people who have had surgery are transwomen.

That’s all.

Given that, as you say, the presence or not of a penis is not definitive, one wonders why he had to say anything other than “I was a born a man and now I am a woman”.

Personally I would just call the person an asshole who behaves inappropriately with children.

all people who have had surgery are transwomen.

This is not true.

  • not all men who have had their penis removed is a transwoman
  • not all men who have deliberately had their penis removed call themselves a transwoman
  • men who have had their penis removed and realised they made a mistake are not transwomen

Less than 10% of transwomen have their penis removed. You seem to believe that the other 90% of trans woman are not trans. You don't have to have surgery to be trans. The truth is transexual men are quite attached to their penis.

Emotionalsupportviper · 20/06/2024 15:17

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 14:50

How do you know it wasn't perversion? Engaging children in inappropriate, boundary-crossing conversations is a huge indicator of grooming. The child finding it funny is not a sign it isn't grooming; it is a sign the grooming is working.

The child finding it funny is not a sign it isn't grooming; it is a sign the grooming is working.

Exactly!

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 15:13

Toseland · 20/06/2024 13:40

Lucky for your 6 year old that she didn't meet the man dressed up as a woman, pleasuring himself, that I met in the ladies when I was 6.

I cannot understand why everyone is cheering transgenderism in when it breaks women's and children's boundaries and leaves us at risk - just for the sexual pleasure of some men.

I am so sorry that happened to you when you were 6. How awful

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CantDealwithChristmas · 20/06/2024 15:10

So many predator apologists in this thread

whynotwhatknot · 20/06/2024 15:09

its a man in a dress

IDontHateRainbows · 20/06/2024 15:09

LL1991 · 20/06/2024 10:13

Yeah, I’m sure your daughter would understand the difference between man and woman and thus just saying ‘I was born a man and now I’m a woman’ would have been enough. No need to mention willy. I’d hope it just came out and that afterwards they also realised it was unnecessary but you never can tell!

Yeah but in gender woo woo land, there are men without willys ( transmen) so perhaps he felt the need to clarify although I agree not appropriate to say to a chikd