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6 year child - stranger talking about her penis

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hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 09:58

Trigger warning : sensitive topic around Gender Identity

I was at a work event (private garden - bring family along deal) and someone there is a transgender woman- she was tall, bearded ,hirsuite and wearing a dress and heels.
My daughter (6) was roaming around with the other kids and i think must have asked the lady why she was wearing a dress.
She explained that she ´was born a man with a willy , and is now a lady ’

Something jarred in me about a grown person talking about gentalia to a 6 year old child.
What does the mumsnet think?
AIBU to be annoyed?

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CantDealwithChristmas · 20/06/2024 12:39

According to Laurie Penny it's absolutely fine.

According to UK law, 'sexual communication' with a child under 16 is in certain circumstances illegal.

Custardandrhubarbcrumble · 20/06/2024 12:32

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 12:07

She's 6 years old, for fuck's sake! 6 year olds ask nosy questions all the time!

No matter how annoying a child is being, there is nothing which excuses an adult talking about their genitals to a child.

Exactly. Should I have told the 6 year old to fuck off who, the other day, asked if I was pregnant (I'm not....)?

Children ask questions. He should have stuck to 'I like wearing dresses'

heathspeedwell · 20/06/2024 12:29

This reminds me of the transwoman with a semi who went naked into a spa right next to a little girl and some posters claimed the little girl was 'rude' for looking at his penis.

Of course later it turned out that he was a convicted sex offender with a history of flashing.

Sadly some people just want to centre men and their feelings at all times, rather than actually think about safeguarding children.

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 12:18

Ladyritacircumference · 20/06/2024 12:05

How rude of your daughter. Has she no manners?

It is like when a child asks a person with a disability why they use a wheelchair, or what is ‘wrong’ with them.

Other people are not there to provide teachable moments for your child.

I suspect the trans woman’s reply was their way of telling your child to fuck off.

actually my child has beautiful manners and I am extremely proud of her as are all her caregivers.
six year olds ask questions, and this is well within the normal spectrum of questions for her age

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FTPM1980 · 20/06/2024 12:10

You can tell a 6yr old it's rude if you like...they won't understand.
A little girl once asked my Dad if he was having a baby because he's overweight.

Why couldn't the person just say because I want to wear a dress?

Clothes don't make you a woman/lady..anyone can wear what they like in my view but if so set on being seen as a different gender then at least make the effort to shave.

If you don't, and basedon this conversation, I suspect you are doing it more for attention and shock value than because of any internal innate "gender"

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 12:08

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SinnerBoy · 20/06/2024 12:07

Ladyritacircumference · Today 12:05

How rude of your daughter. Has she no manners?

Hmm, you sound like one half of The Modern Parents. Perhaps you should heed your own advice?

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 12:07

Ladyritacircumference · 20/06/2024 12:05

How rude of your daughter. Has she no manners?

It is like when a child asks a person with a disability why they use a wheelchair, or what is ‘wrong’ with them.

Other people are not there to provide teachable moments for your child.

I suspect the trans woman’s reply was their way of telling your child to fuck off.

She's 6 years old, for fuck's sake! 6 year olds ask nosy questions all the time!

No matter how annoying a child is being, there is nothing which excuses an adult talking about their genitals to a child.

TheKeatingFive · 20/06/2024 12:06

Ladyritacircumference · 20/06/2024 12:05

How rude of your daughter. Has she no manners?

It is like when a child asks a person with a disability why they use a wheelchair, or what is ‘wrong’ with them.

Other people are not there to provide teachable moments for your child.

I suspect the trans woman’s reply was their way of telling your child to fuck off.

Is this for real? Ffs 🤦‍♀️

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/06/2024 12:06

Way back before all the gender stuff hit the mainstream, I was in town with my friend's 8 year old daughter when we saw a man wearing a short skirt and heels.

My friend's daughter asked me, very loudly, "Is that a MAN or a WOMAN?"

I said, "A man dressed as a woman, shhh, don't shout, it's rude!"

I think if the same thing happened again now I would just say it was a man.

In your daughter's case it is complicated by the fact that she actually spoke to him.

I think I'd have said something like, "Some men like to wear dresses and call themselves women. They can wear whatever they like but they are still men and they shouldn't be talking to you about willies. If any man does talk to you about his willy, or tries to show you his willy, or makes you feel uncomfortable in any way, you come and tell me straight away and I will deal with it. OK?"

Apollo365 · 20/06/2024 12:06

MessyHouseHappyHouse · 20/06/2024 11:06

I’d say it was highly likely to have happened given how many vile men now openly parade their perversions in public for the attention.

A genuine Transwoman would not be seen in public unshaven and wearing a dress. They desperately want to pass as a woman. Blokes with a fetish on the other hand….

I agree about reporting to the Police. Is he a work colleague? If so, I’d be reporting him to HR too.

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This.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 12:05

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 12:00

honestly , neither would I . New member of staff , and met them for first time. Will not be taking my kids to any further work events now x

I know this will be awkward, but if this is someone you now work with, I think you should consider either talking to him and telling him he made your daughter feel very uncomfortable by mentioning his genitalia, or reporting to someone higher up. He shouldn't be allowed to get away with such inappropriate behaviour.

Ladyritacircumference · 20/06/2024 12:05

How rude of your daughter. Has she no manners?

It is like when a child asks a person with a disability why they use a wheelchair, or what is ‘wrong’ with them.

Other people are not there to provide teachable moments for your child.

I suspect the trans woman’s reply was their way of telling your child to fuck off.

TheKeatingFive · 20/06/2024 12:03

Absolutely not okay to reference his genitals in front of a child. Regardless of anything else.

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 12:01

CharlotteBog · 20/06/2024 11:57

I would look beyond the transgender issues and stick to the fact that this adult should not be mentioning genitalia to an unknown 6 year old child.

I would tell the man this and then keep my child away from them.
I would then remind my child about the PANTS rules and how they apply to people talking to them as well as their own bodies.

yes , thank you good advice

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hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 12:00

alexdgr8 · 20/06/2024 11:59

i would not have taken a young child to an event where they were likely to run into such a person.
not a criticism OP, just an observation.
but then i am probably, must, be much older than you.
nothing you can do now, except explain to the child as you have.
maybe have to think ahead if poss in future.
all the best.

honestly , neither would I . New member of staff , and met them for first time. Will not be taking my kids to any further work events now x

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IAlwaysTellTheTruthEvenWhenILie · 20/06/2024 12:00

Fucking weird.

alexdgr8 · 20/06/2024 11:59

i would not have taken a young child to an event where they were likely to run into such a person.
not a criticism OP, just an observation.
but then i am probably, must, be much older than you.
nothing you can do now, except explain to the child as you have.
maybe have to think ahead if poss in future.
all the best.

marciaa · 20/06/2024 11:57

LL1991 · 20/06/2024 10:13

Yeah, I’m sure your daughter would understand the difference between man and woman and thus just saying ‘I was born a man and now I’m a woman’ would have been enough. No need to mention willy. I’d hope it just came out and that afterwards they also realised it was unnecessary but you never can tell!

Lying to children is not okay. This is part of this ideology, normalising this to children. He should have just said he was a man who liked wearing a dress. That is what he will always be.

CharlotteBog · 20/06/2024 11:57

I would look beyond the transgender issues and stick to the fact that this adult should not be mentioning genitalia to an unknown 6 year old child.

I would tell the man this and then keep my child away from them.
I would then remind my child about the PANTS rules and how they apply to people talking to them as well as their own bodies.

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 11:56

TheCoolOliveBalonz · 20/06/2024 11:53

I would emphasis to her firmly that if I grown up or anyone talks to her about their privates, that is inappropriate and she should tell you as soon as possible. She needs to understand that it is a potentially dangerous situation.

yes, absolutely. Thank you

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TheCoolOliveBalonz · 20/06/2024 11:53

I would emphasis to her firmly that if I grown up or anyone talks to her about their privates, that is inappropriate and she should tell you as soon as possible. She needs to understand that it is a potentially dangerous situation.

jeaux90 · 20/06/2024 11:51

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IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 11:51

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 11:30

but is it rude to ask why a bearded man in wearing a dress? It is an innocent question. Like why is your hair blue? Why have you got a nose ring? she is 6!

Absolutely. If she asked it as a genuine question, which it sounds like she did, the correct answer would be, "Because I like wearing dresses!" Pretty much all 6 year old would accept that and move on with their lives. No need to scold them, or mention genitalia!

DumbassHamsterSitterPerson · 20/06/2024 11:49

Talking to unknown 6 year olds about your genitals is totally wrong. If it was a man presenting as a man people would be concerned. But if it's a transwoman then it's "inclusive" and educational. Yuck.