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6 year child - stranger talking about her penis

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hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 09:58

Trigger warning : sensitive topic around Gender Identity

I was at a work event (private garden - bring family along deal) and someone there is a transgender woman- she was tall, bearded ,hirsuite and wearing a dress and heels.
My daughter (6) was roaming around with the other kids and i think must have asked the lady why she was wearing a dress.
She explained that she ´was born a man with a willy , and is now a lady ’

Something jarred in me about a grown person talking about gentalia to a 6 year old child.
What does the mumsnet think?
AIBU to be annoyed?

OP posts:
IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 14:07

AndiOliversGlasses · 20/06/2024 13:58

Nope. First, I asked whether OP was using transwoman in her OP because that is the term that she felt HAD to be used for people who present like this colleague. I was asking whether anyone else at her work or the party had described this person as a transwoman.

Then I commented that there would have been more certainty about the label if the child had been told that the penis had been removed. In the sense that not all transwomen have had surgery but all people who have had surgery are transwomen.

That’s all.

Given that, as you say, the presence or not of a penis is not definitive, one wonders why he had to say anything other than “I was a born a man and now I am a woman”.

Personally I would just call the person an asshole who behaves inappropriately with children.

Sorry, I clearly misunderstood you.

Exactlab · 20/06/2024 14:06

You mean man who was a stranger to you and your family spoke to your six year old child about his penis.

The man is a predator. Many men get off in this sort of behaviour. It’s absolutely disgusting and I would be ropable.

FannyCann · 20/06/2024 14:02

The case of Andrew Miller is precisely why it is important for your child to understand that this man is a man OP. And a creepy one at that. And to run a mile next time a man in a dress approaches her.

Note the unfortunate child in this case thought she was safe with a "woman", because the man dressed as a woman and made good use of that disguise to confuse a child and abduct her.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12097999/Transgender-butcher-53-pleads-guilty-kidnapping-sexually-abusing-girl-11.html

Demelzatheredhaired · 20/06/2024 14:02

´Because I like pretty dresses and pretty dresses are for everyone’ would have been more age appropriate surely.

AndiOliversGlasses · 20/06/2024 13:58

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 13:44

I'm a bit confused... you implied he couldn't be a transwomen if he still had a penis. I was telling you that the majority of self-described transwomen DO have a penis.

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Nope. First, I asked whether OP was using transwoman in her OP because that is the term that she felt HAD to be used for people who present like this colleague. I was asking whether anyone else at her work or the party had described this person as a transwoman.

Then I commented that there would have been more certainty about the label if the child had been told that the penis had been removed. In the sense that not all transwomen have had surgery but all people who have had surgery are transwomen.

That’s all.

Given that, as you say, the presence or not of a penis is not definitive, one wonders why he had to say anything other than “I was a born a man and now I am a woman”.

Personally I would just call the person an asshole who behaves inappropriately with children.

BobbyBiscuits · 20/06/2024 13:57

@hermenmumster I'm sorry I doubted you. It does sound pretty bizarre!
I think maybe have a quiet word with the trans person, as long as you know they definitely said it. Just explain you'd rather adults didn't talk about their genitals with your kid. Dk how you could do it sensitively though!

user1492757084 · 20/06/2024 13:53

Completely unreasonable.

I would have been affronted and I am way older than six.
One usually doesn't talk about one's genitals. It's odd to teach a six year old that that is okay. Modesty is more comfortable and safer to push in normal conversations with strangers.

The question was fine from a six year old. Though it should prompt Op to remind her child to be polite to people who they see as different. It is kind to not ask strangers about their differences as it could make people feel uncomfortable or embarrassed and some things are personal and none of our business..

The answer to - why the dress - could have included:

  • Because I like blue.
  • Do you not think it suits me? laugh
  • It's lovely and cool.
  • This dress is one of my favourites.
  • I have a beard but everyone is free to wear a dress. Hey, I like your runners.
  • It's the perfect dress for a garden party.
jgjgjgjgjg · 20/06/2024 13:50

It's a slightly odd answer but I can't say it would bother me unduly in itself. In my experience 6 years old is prime time for being fascinated by the subject of willies so its not as if your daughter wouldn’t have heard the word before. I'd trust my instinct on this one. If my instinct was this person was genuine and had good intentions in terms of explaining the situation to a child I'd let it go. If my spidey senses were triggered in any way then that's a different matter.

Bumblebeeinatree · 20/06/2024 13:49

Not acceptable for any adult to talk about their sexual equipment to a strange 6 year old or even a 6 year old they know. Only parents and appropriate teachers should get anywhere near talking about sex to a child. Just because he is a 'special' person doesn't give him carte blanche.

JusteanBiscuits · 20/06/2024 13:46

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 13:30

Because I was tying myself up in knots about appearing transphobic . I still am, and haven't taken action. It is a government organisation - very keen on Stonewall index.
I guess that is why i am on here - a genuine AIBU , and this thread has really helped solidify my thoughts

I am very much inclusive, very much an ally, and very very woke.

But, this isn't about any of that. It's not about trans issues. It's an adult who crossed a boundary, and so needs to be told their actions were inappropriate. I'm not suggesting launching a grievance, I am saying their manager needs to be aware so they can tell them it was inappropriate behaviour and prevent it happening in the future.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 13:44

AndiOliversGlasses · 20/06/2024 13:42

Well quite, so why even mention it?

I'm a bit confused... you implied he couldn't be a transwomen if he still had a penis. I was telling you that the majority of self-described transwomen DO have a penis.

CantDealwithChristmas · 20/06/2024 13:44

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 11:48

i guess I don't want to get into the trans debate. How people want to live their life is their business. It is about mentioning a penis to my child. Someone upthread mentioned how i would feel if a grown conventional male mentioned his penis to her. I would be plain livid and less confused

Someone upthread mentioned how i would feel if a grown conventional male mentioned his penis to her. I would be plain livid and less confused

And this right here is exactly how predators hide in plain sight.

AmelieTaylor · 20/06/2024 13:44

IAmAnAdultHumanFemale · 20/06/2024 11:28

This has made me shudder

Pretty?

its like the drag queens reading to little kids. Funny you don't see them going into care homes and reading to the elderly eh?

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@IAmAnAdultHumanFemale

it made me laugh, I'd have loved to have seen the 6 year olds face if he'd said it to her!!

AndiOliversGlasses · 20/06/2024 13:42

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 13:36

Over 90% of 'transwomen' do not have any surgery to 'remove' their penises. (It's not actually removed, it's turned inside out.)

Well quite, so why even mention it?

Toseland · 20/06/2024 13:40

Lucky for your 6 year old that she didn't meet the man dressed up as a woman, pleasuring himself, that I met in the ladies when I was 6.

I cannot understand why everyone is cheering transgenderism in when it breaks women's and children's boundaries and leaves us at risk - just for the sexual pleasure of some men.

Needanewname42 · 20/06/2024 13:39

Ladyritacircumference · 20/06/2024 12:05

How rude of your daughter. Has she no manners?

It is like when a child asks a person with a disability why they use a wheelchair, or what is ‘wrong’ with them.

Other people are not there to provide teachable moments for your child.

I suspect the trans woman’s reply was their way of telling your child to fuck off.

No totally not the same.

A man with a beard in a dress??? He was waiting for someone to ask.

And most disabled people will have stock answers for small kids with zero filter.
Was born like this,
Had an accident and my legs don't work anymore.
My legs are old and tired.

He could easily have given a similar stock answer. I like dresses they are prettier, more comfortable, nicer than trousers.

FOJN · 20/06/2024 13:38

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 13:32

You know what i am trying to do..i am trying not to offend anyone

I think we all understand that but the truth is if the man in question had been wearing jeans and a t-shirt and mentioned his genitals you would not be in the least but confused about if you were overreacting.

The majority of sex offenders/ sexual predators are male. Correctly sexing someone is part of our individual risk assessment. Inaccurately applied female pronouns give a false impression of lower risk. That is not to say women are never a risk but they are a significantly lower risk than men.

Language really matters in this instance. You may have to play the pronoun game if you escalate but in your own mind the correct pronouns clarify things.

willowtolive · 20/06/2024 13:37

DampDust · 20/06/2024 13:06

Sorry to miss the point, but surely if you wish to trans gender to a woman, you would cut off your beard so you would look like a woman, or, or....you are literally just a man in a dress ? If he looked like a woman in his dress, he wouldn't have been questioned by a 6 year old. He hasn't actually changed anything except his clothes - this doth not a woman make

You're not missing the point at all. Quite literally a bloke in a dress, child quite rightly wonders why said bearded bloke is wearing a dress and asks the question like children do. Weirdo in dress confirms he's a weirdo by talking about genitalia with a six year old girl.

AmelieTaylor · 20/06/2024 13:36

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@Italianita

i don't think it was that bad. A touch unnecessary. BUT FMD the police have more important things to do than police the use of the term Willy when a 6 year old asks why a MAN is wearing a dress.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 13:36

AndiOliversGlasses · 20/06/2024 13:29

That he likes to dress like a lady, same way as a girl in an Elsa frock says “I’m a princess”?
He didn't specify that said willy had been removed I don’t think?

Over 90% of 'transwomen' do not have any surgery to 'remove' their penises. (It's not actually removed, it's turned inside out.)

IamaRevenant · 20/06/2024 13:35

YouJustDoYou · 20/06/2024 13:01

Oh of course, because men in dresses sporting beards is ENTIRELY not happening in this day and age EYEROLL

Ha. You should see my neighbour. Full on beard, full face of makeup and a tiny dress.

I know I sound like a wanker here but he's also a massive predator (tried to rape three of my friends) and I just can't see him as a woman

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 13:34

@DampDust @StringTheory1 @AndiOliversGlasses

Google 'the transgender umbrella'. According to queer theory, any man who says he is a woman is a woman, and the rest of us are supposed to just accept it. Over 90% of these men have had no sex-reassignment surgery.

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 13:34

@TheKeatingFive
Thank you! So well put

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FOJN · 20/06/2024 13:33

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 13:30

Because I was tying myself up in knots about appearing transphobic . I still am, and haven't taken action. It is a government organisation - very keen on Stonewall index.
I guess that is why i am on here - a genuine AIBU , and this thread has really helped solidify my thoughts

Everything is transphobic these days, including safeguarding.

Riapia · 20/06/2024 13:32

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And it’s never happening more often. At least there’s something to be grateful for.