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Didn’t do big shop - am I in the wrong?

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TheShyRoseZebra · 19/06/2024 21:21

Boyfriend came home from work on Sunday evening, with food. He got some mayo out of the fridge and asked why I didn’t buy more. He said, ‘it’s not fair actually’. He was acting off. I didn’t understand what I had done wrong, but I assumed it was because I hadn’t gone food shopping that weekend, and that he must have felt that I was not contributing my share. I went to my banking app, to check and I had spent about 70 on food shopping at the start of the week, and so I showed him. He assumed that I had gone shopping. He said that I am ‘a very independent person’ and I never want to do things together. That I should have texted him when I was shopping to ask if he wanted anything. He said he always texts me and says ‘darling do we need anything’? And that I never think of him, never ask him what he wants and that said that ‘I don’t give a fuck about him’, and stormed off to sleep separately, which he does the majority of the time. I was shocked and bewildered. I had not gone food shopping. I had spent the majority of the weekend painting the hallway and staircase, so it’s not like I was sat on my arse all weekend. I resent the fact that he assigns me little jobs on the weekend, (for example he suggested that I get a sponge and tackle the limescale in the toilet before he left for work on Sunday morning – I told him to get fucked I have plans). He works every weekend. I am off every weekend. On his days off he goes on road trips, climbing with friends, daytrips etc. He doesn’t help with housework on his free days. He leaves his stuff everywhere, I think intentionally, to piss me off.During the weekends I like to do bits of DIY, small jobs on the house. He has never helped me with any DIY, and that’s fine, I have never asked him for help with any of this and would not expect him to spend his time off painting or whatnot. But I feel like this is something that he resents, like he wants me to need him or something. Anyways, I tried to talk to him today after two days of basically ignoring each other. I asked him why he is so angry with me. He refused to discuss anything related to the argument, asked if I wanted to come with him on his road trip. I told him first I wanted to resolve things, I didn’t want to be in the car with him when he was angry with me as sometimes his driving becomes scary. I tried to discuss what happened at the weekend. He shut me down, refused to engage on the topic, walked away from me, said that I was being dramatic, called me an actress when I started crying, said shut up talking to him in that little victim voice. We tried to talk for half an hour or so, eventually he got so frustrated with me he punched a door. I locked myself in my room, at this point. I know he would never hit me, but I feel kind of scared when he does reach the point of hitting things.

Am I in the wrong here?

OP posts:
Maysurvive · 22/06/2024 01:29

Wow, I could have written your posts!. The shouting, punching walls, scary driving (which btw, my DA counsellor tells me is a form of abuse itself).

I used to tell myself it was like a bank account and so long as my exH paid in more in terms of the good times than he withdrew when he lost his temper then we were ok. I also 'knew' he would never hurt me. When he was calm we would have very open conversations and discuss his behaviours and the impact and he was always willing to work on things. He would never have wanted me to be afraid and there is no question that he loved me/us, perhaps even obsessively.

I spent 25 long years with him and yes things changed but they never got better. He never got a handle on his temper. He did end up physically hurting me - not hitting me but hurting me nevertheless. I still couldn't see what was in front of me. It was just my normal. The line finally got drawn when he physically assaulted our then 13 yo son. That was in 2019 and I am still trying to accept and deal with the reality that I was in a DA relationship. I hate myself everyday for allowing my DC to grow up in that situation. My exH had so many good points and there really were good times but I, and my children were hypervigilant, always waiting for the signs that the next explosion was on its way. And now we're all trying to deal with the psychological and emotional scars. It's no way to live a life and the long term effects should not be underestimated.

I'm really glad you posted here because people have been able to tell you about DA. If you're still in any doubt (and I was, even after the assault), what I did was to write an email to Woman's Aid. I listed all my ExH's behaviours that people had suggested were abusive and I explained why I believed each one was not abusive. They wrote back in agreement with the others and I finally began to open my eyes. I really hope you can find the strength and self compassion to see that you deserve better. Good luck. Xx

Time40 · 22/06/2024 00:54

Yes, definitely - tell him to leave. But be careful how you do it, because it might suddenly be more than walls that get punched. Abusive men are always at their most dangerous when women finally decide to leave them (and this man is abusive, for certain).

SkaneTos · 22/06/2024 00:51

OP. I have read your updates.

Tell him to leave.
Tell him to leave.
Tell him to leave.

ShouldIstayorgogogo · 22/06/2024 00:45

Get him out. It won’t get any better. It’s cyclical and it’s making you miserable. Find someone you can communicate with and live a happy, unstressed life with them where you work together as a team.

Life is too short for crap relationships :)

NZDreaming · 21/06/2024 23:32

I’m glad you were able to have an honest conversation @TheShyRoseZebra and explained how his actions made you feel. You clearly both have a lot of ingrained behaviours learnt from childhood that contribute to conflict between you. Being aware of these behaviours means you can start working to change them but it’s not easy. Sounds like you could both really benefit from individual therapy to help you address these issues.

The not saying sorry thing is unusual, obviously you only want someone to apologise if they are genuine but to say it means nothing makes me think he’s experienced a lot of empty apologies in his life. It’s up to you whether you’re ok with never having acknowledgement from him if he is in the wrong.

TheShyRoseZebra · 21/06/2024 23:17

Today we tried to discuss everything. I told him I am angry that he has not apologized for the original argument, for the follow up argument when I was trying to discuss it, for telling me to shut up when I was talking in that ‘small little victim voice’, for the wall punching, minimizing, stonewalling.

He was bewildered and flabbergasted. He said the original argument was so ridiculous and he didn’t feel the need to say sorry. He doesn’t ever say sorry, he said it means nothing to him, its just words. If I want him to say the words he will, but he doesn’t feel it.

As regards the punching of walls, he was also absolutely shocked that this could be considered abusive, threatening or scary. He said the absolute minimum is that he wants me to feel safe in my own house. He reiterated that he would never ever hurt me. He was shocked that I feel scared in these moments, as he doesn’t do it in the same room as me, he walks to another room, and its just letting off steam. He said for where he grew up it is normal.

I was reflecting on something someone said about repeating patterns from childhood situations and someone else who said pay attention…is it really me who starts things?So I have been paying more attention to my feelings and reactions the past few days.

Making dinner together last night, I was hyper aware of trying to keep the peace. Not reacting to his hostile snapping when he got stressed, the tone he uses when telling me to do something, stir something etc. I did recognize that I am walking on eggshells around him a bit. Stupid shit like when he cooks me food, I was for a microsecond hesitant to put salt/pepper on it, it case he snapped at me. I spilled a bit of wine and was worried he would have a go at me and there would be another row or negative atmosphere. And then realizing how ridiculously stupid that is. Incidentally he did not have a go at me about either thing. So my pattern is conflict avoidance to a certain extent, realizing how fucked up that is and then usually totally kicking off to defend myself. Then I inevitably get the blame for being the angry one, when all he has done is cooked me a lovely meal.

I explained this to him today and how I grew up in a house like that and I don’t want it again. He said that its a problem from my past, its is not reality, its baggage. He said that he can think that he is a donkey, but he will never be a donkey despite how much he thinks he is because its just not reality. He denys talking to me in a short/snappy way and says I am way too sensitive, its a problem of interpretation, and how I take things is wrong.

Its bewildering to me how two people can have the same conversation or lived experience and a completely different interpretation/perspective of what is happening.

He finally apologized by text this evening.

OP posts:
JoBrandsCleaner · 21/06/2024 22:59

Oh for god sake just leave him
‘LTB’
that’s my first one

shehasglasses48 · 21/06/2024 22:29

Have some kids. His behaviour might look better in comparison.

fortheloveofgumball · 21/06/2024 22:29

Run

Ilovecleaning · 21/06/2024 22:00

crumblingschools · 20/06/2024 06:36

What are his good points?

Who cares?

dewfirst · 21/06/2024 21:37

FOJN · 19/06/2024 21:35

I know he would never hit me, but I feel kind of scared when he does reach the point of hitting things.

You don't know that at all. I bet there will be women reading this wishing they'd run the first time a partner punched a door or a wall.

You talk about him hitting things as if this is not the first time and you are scared of him. He's abusive, this is no way to live.

Leave before you become the door because you almost certainly will.

This ….
Get out NOW

EnglishBluebell · 21/06/2024 21:19

@TheShyRoseZebra A therapist? Love he's an abuser! You need to leave, not get a bloody therapist!

WestSouthWest · 21/06/2024 20:38

There are some very knowledgeable and experienced women on Mumsnet, some of these women have extracted themselves from dangerous relationships like the one you are currently in. Please listen to them. You are in the fortunate position of having your own home and being able to get him out. You are not married and you don’t have any children together. From my own (and many others) experience, it’s unlikely to get any better but it could certainly get worse. Nobody here wants that for you.

He is a controlling and abusive man. In one of your replies you have described precisely the kind of childhood which may have led you into this kind of relationship. It’s familiar and could be a pattern that repeats itself over and over again until you take steps to understand it.

Please keep yourself safe. It’s ok to put your own happiness and well-being first.

Arlosmum24 · 21/06/2024 20:37

Op, I’ve an ex husband like this, he moved into my flat when we first got together, in the end he was physically and emotionally abusive and ran up 30k worth of debt in my name! I had to sleep with my purse under my pillow in the end! the straw that broke the camels back was when he stole money from our ds and I realised my son couldn’t grow up thinking this sort of relationship was normal! I spent years being the breadwinner of the house but being belittled every single day! It will only get worse, please believe me! I did what I thought I couldn’t do, I kicked him out, paid off the debt slowly but surely and kept a roof over my sons head! Our life is completely different now, I married a lovely man than cherishes us both and respects my independence!!

PorridgeEater · 21/06/2024 20:12

This isn't about shopping at all - it's about a relationship which does not work. It's your apartment, you can tell him to leave. It may be difficult but it's a good thing you haven't bought a home together. Get help from the police if necessary. Wishing you well in dealing with this.

MissMoan · 21/06/2024 20:02

Please leave. You deserve better.

Horses7 · 21/06/2024 19:59

Dump him - it will only get worse

Roseyjane · 21/06/2024 19:54

zingally · 21/06/2024 19:19

The thing is, he WILL hit you eventually. They ALWAYS do.

Get rid of him now.

They dont, but im sorry your life experience leads you to believe this.💐

zingally · 21/06/2024 19:19

The thing is, he WILL hit you eventually. They ALWAYS do.

Get rid of him now.

Pippetypoppity · 21/06/2024 19:03

Get yourself out of this situation ASAP. Punching a door shows he can’t control himself. What woman who’s been punched ever thinks it’s going to happen to her? It’s just a matter of time.

Cherrysoup · 21/06/2024 19:02

You can gauge his mood as soon as you see him? You should not be treading on eggshells like this, I certainly don’t worry when I come home in case he’s in a bad mood. If you want him to go, he goes. You change the locks when he’s out, you pack up his shit and leave it outside. Why are you living life like this?

SquishyGloopyBum · 21/06/2024 19:00

You are 42 and want children. How come you haven't already? I mean, it's not a bad thing given his behaviour but I'm trying to understand if that's come from him too.

MeandT · 21/06/2024 18:54

You've done nothing wrong. You know this. Get out (in practice get him out, but mean it). Do not have a baby with this man.

You deserve better. Believe this! Flowers

BooBooDoodle · 21/06/2024 18:48

Red flag alert! Do not give this piece of shit a minute more of your time and please leave!

SuchiRolls · 21/06/2024 18:42

I’ve never said LTB but seriously…I wouldn’t think twice if I were you. What exactly are you getting from this relationship but grief, manipulation, passive aggressive exchanges and a whole lot more negativity besides? If he won’t leave, pack his stuff up and have the locks changed. If it’s your rental or owned in your name, then he has no legal right to reside there. Not your problem. He sounds like a great big man child and in all honesty for the times he’s ‘ok’ it doesn’t make up for the way he’s making you feel and the gas lighting etc. You don’t sound happy at all. 🫂

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