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Didn’t do big shop - am I in the wrong?

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TheShyRoseZebra · 19/06/2024 21:21

Boyfriend came home from work on Sunday evening, with food. He got some mayo out of the fridge and asked why I didn’t buy more. He said, ‘it’s not fair actually’. He was acting off. I didn’t understand what I had done wrong, but I assumed it was because I hadn’t gone food shopping that weekend, and that he must have felt that I was not contributing my share. I went to my banking app, to check and I had spent about 70 on food shopping at the start of the week, and so I showed him. He assumed that I had gone shopping. He said that I am ‘a very independent person’ and I never want to do things together. That I should have texted him when I was shopping to ask if he wanted anything. He said he always texts me and says ‘darling do we need anything’? And that I never think of him, never ask him what he wants and that said that ‘I don’t give a fuck about him’, and stormed off to sleep separately, which he does the majority of the time. I was shocked and bewildered. I had not gone food shopping. I had spent the majority of the weekend painting the hallway and staircase, so it’s not like I was sat on my arse all weekend. I resent the fact that he assigns me little jobs on the weekend, (for example he suggested that I get a sponge and tackle the limescale in the toilet before he left for work on Sunday morning – I told him to get fucked I have plans). He works every weekend. I am off every weekend. On his days off he goes on road trips, climbing with friends, daytrips etc. He doesn’t help with housework on his free days. He leaves his stuff everywhere, I think intentionally, to piss me off.During the weekends I like to do bits of DIY, small jobs on the house. He has never helped me with any DIY, and that’s fine, I have never asked him for help with any of this and would not expect him to spend his time off painting or whatnot. But I feel like this is something that he resents, like he wants me to need him or something. Anyways, I tried to talk to him today after two days of basically ignoring each other. I asked him why he is so angry with me. He refused to discuss anything related to the argument, asked if I wanted to come with him on his road trip. I told him first I wanted to resolve things, I didn’t want to be in the car with him when he was angry with me as sometimes his driving becomes scary. I tried to discuss what happened at the weekend. He shut me down, refused to engage on the topic, walked away from me, said that I was being dramatic, called me an actress when I started crying, said shut up talking to him in that little victim voice. We tried to talk for half an hour or so, eventually he got so frustrated with me he punched a door. I locked myself in my room, at this point. I know he would never hit me, but I feel kind of scared when he does reach the point of hitting things.

Am I in the wrong here?

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Clarabellemt · 23/06/2024 08:35

Run. Run now. There are so many red flags waving here. And do it quietly without telling him. I worry this will escalate when he knows he won't be able to control you.

taylorswift1989 · 23/06/2024 08:25

He said that its a problem from my past, its is not reality, its baggage. He said that he can think that he is a donkey, but he will never be a donkey despite how much he thinks he is because its just not reality. He denys talking to me in a short/snappy way and says I am way too sensitive, its a problem of interpretation, and how I take things is wrong.

He is gaslighting you.

He's incredibly controlling. He feels the need to control your reality, right down to how you perceive the things that are happening to YOU. He knows he snaps and shouts at you, but he wants you to believe that you're imagining it. He knows his behaviour is aggressive and violent, but he wants you to believe that it's normal.

Please get out of this relationship. He is terrifying. Your update is so upsetting.

PorridgeEater · 22/06/2024 20:18

"Thing is, they push it and push it until you start to snap back, then they go into loving mode and reel you back in. You're so relieved that things are back to "normal" that it feels wonderful. At last he's beginning to get it! It'll all be better from now on! And then the cycle starts again. (Google "cycle of abuse", it's a well known phenomenon.) This time he knows he's pushed a bit too far and he needs to work harder at hauling you back into line, hence going to the unprecedented lengths of using the S-word by text. You think, it's hard for him to apologise, but he's learning. No, he's just using another tool from the Abuser's Handset. When I divorced it was quite pathetic to see XH pressing all the usual manipulative buttons one after another, but now the buttons were entirely worn out and didn't work any more. Mind you that took 25 years. You don't have to wait that long!"

This should ring alarm bells, as should many other words of wisdom on here.
If possible don't be alone with him when you tell him he needs to move on. If you can have someone to stay with you so much the better.

Whatineed · 22/06/2024 14:34

Get out. Or get him out. Please.

Nipsmum · 22/06/2024 13:56

Why I heavens name are you still living with this selfish person. Partnerships should be more equal than that. He needs to learn to live with other people.a D grow up. YOU Are NOT His Mother

pollymere · 22/06/2024 11:27

My ex was like that. Then his emotional abuse became physical abuse. Please get rid of him. He's using you as a free '50s housewife and it really never ends well.

Bubbles90 · 22/06/2024 11:15

Your relationship doesn't sound healthy. Its very unequal with you doing all the house work. This will never improve and only get worse. The pettiness he is showing you will only get worse and you will start to resent him big time. You should think carefully on whether this is a relationship you wish to remain in. Personally I would end it and ask him to leave. Its not your problem if there is very little to rent. He's a big boy, that's his problem.

Anniegetyourgun · 22/06/2024 09:18

I left mine not when I got the strength together to leave, but when I ran out of the strength to hold it all together. We were married and had DC so it was more complicated than your situation. There was just enough of "myself" left to make it happen, and it certainly wasn't easy. XH was so shocked when he realised I really wasn't going back into my box, it would have been funny except that my sense of humour had fallen down the back of the sofa some time previously, I wasn't even sure when, I just realised one day that I hadn't laughed at anything in ages.

Thing is, they push it and push it until you start to snap back, then they go into loving mode and reel you back in. You're so relieved that things are back to "normal" that it feels wonderful. At last he's beginning to get it! It'll all be better from now on! And then the cycle starts again. (Google "cycle of abuse", it's a well known phenomenon.) This time he knows he's pushed a bit too far and he needs to work harder at hauling you back into line, hence going to the unprecedented lengths of using the S-word by text. You think, it's hard for him to apologise, but he's learning. No, he's just using another tool from the Abuser's Handset. When I divorced it was quite pathetic to see XH pressing all the usual manipulative buttons one after another, but now the buttons were entirely worn out and didn't work any more. Mind you that took 25 years. You don't have to wait that long!

For the record, XH was never a wall puncher and never turned violent. He favoured passive aggression and plausible deniability. That doesn't make him a nicer person than my dad, who wasn't above beating two little girls until they couldn't sit down, which he thought was reasonable discipline. But I thought it did.

Overnightoats1 · 22/06/2024 09:03

Leave. Leave now. Way too many red flags here. 🚩

NoisyDenimShaker · 22/06/2024 08:38

TheShyRoseZebra · 20/06/2024 08:16

Thanks for the responses and your kind concern. I honestly feel very, very shocked. I never discuss these stupid arguments with friends because they are always over the most ridiculous things and get wildly overblown and quite frankly it’s embarrassing. To have myself perceived as a victim of domestic abuse is absolutely shocking to me. It’s a strange one. Sometimes it’s hard to see the wood for the trees.

To have him call me dramatic and crazy when we argue and to minimize my feelings makes me second guess myself.

But I don’t see myself as a victim at all. I am the instigator of most arguments. I give as good as I get and I never back down from the argument (until things are punched) and i’m not afraid to speak my mind and in general.

And there are shades of grey. No one is all bad and if that were the case it would be so easy to just say get out of my life.

He is not a bad person. He is not violent. He would never cheat. And honestly he does love me, in truth much more than I love him, which has always made me feel guilty. He deserves better than me.

I just find it so difficult to relate to his way of thinking and his way of communicating, and for him its the same. He doesn’t understand my logic. Its just a toxic situation thats difficult for me to resolve. I don’t want to hurt him. And I want him to be alright and happy.

You say there are shades of grey and you're attached to him and you want him to be all right, etc. I felt all those things, and I came to the conclusion that this is exactly why abusive relationships are the absolute worst kind of aggression. The abusive party sprinkles their shitty treatment of you with enough perfume that you're no longer sure when you're smelling perfume and when you're smelling shit. And they force you to make the heartbreaking decision of throwing out all the good things along with the bad if you dump them. Abusive relationships are truly cruel, most of all the way that they force you to experience great loss. You can get out, but at the cost of breaking your own heart and second-guessing yourself and lots of other nasty emotions.

I'm so glad that coercive control is now a crime in the UK.

NoisyDenimShaker · 22/06/2024 08:32

TheShyRoseZebra · 20/06/2024 08:16

Thanks for the responses and your kind concern. I honestly feel very, very shocked. I never discuss these stupid arguments with friends because they are always over the most ridiculous things and get wildly overblown and quite frankly it’s embarrassing. To have myself perceived as a victim of domestic abuse is absolutely shocking to me. It’s a strange one. Sometimes it’s hard to see the wood for the trees.

To have him call me dramatic and crazy when we argue and to minimize my feelings makes me second guess myself.

But I don’t see myself as a victim at all. I am the instigator of most arguments. I give as good as I get and I never back down from the argument (until things are punched) and i’m not afraid to speak my mind and in general.

And there are shades of grey. No one is all bad and if that were the case it would be so easy to just say get out of my life.

He is not a bad person. He is not violent. He would never cheat. And honestly he does love me, in truth much more than I love him, which has always made me feel guilty. He deserves better than me.

I just find it so difficult to relate to his way of thinking and his way of communicating, and for him its the same. He doesn’t understand my logic. Its just a toxic situation thats difficult for me to resolve. I don’t want to hurt him. And I want him to be alright and happy.

OP, I'm sorry, but you're in denial. You're also very reluctant to see yourself as being in an abusive relationship, but you shouldn't be, because let's place the blame where it belongs - on the person doing the abusing. Also, the strongest women are conned into accepting a man's bullying. It happens very gradually and is punctuated by wonderful times.

God, so many men are just awful. My father was a violent, abusive bully and I married a one too. My experience was a slight improvement over the previous generation as he didn't hit me. He was just permanently angry with me, refused to speak to me frequently and for long periods of time, would hit things, constantly shouted and swore, and eventually left me because I gained weight. Also he became so very angry with me all the time for nothing, that I truly feared he would hit me.

But he was also insanely loving and generous in between being a horrendous bully, and he was romance itself before we married and moved in together.

They hide it well.

I wish for every woman to live in a relationship with no aggression. Too many women do not experience that.

Bumblingbee101 · 22/06/2024 08:07

Whether any of those traits are regular or not they will become more regular overtime. You are not his minion. Relationships are about give and take. Do not let him keep taking. I would move on as quickly as i could. Take care OP 💐

NoisyDenimShaker · 22/06/2024 08:05

Pan out and see the overall picture here:

You didn't buy enough mayo so he insulted you, mimicked you, decried your independence, and aggressively punched a door.

Really sorry you're stuck with someone like this, OP. So many people are stuck in bad relationships. I was for years. It seems to me that at least half the relationships that exist, shouldn't. Being single is so, so much better than putting up with this shit.

FrivolousKitchenRollUse · 22/06/2024 08:03

Sorry OP, I'm repeating a lot of good advice but this is a real sliding doors moment in your life. Whilst it's daunting, you need to take in the depth (and sadly lived experience) of the advice you're being given. He's an absolute disgrace, even down to apologising by text.

Plantheads5 · 22/06/2024 07:54

"Flabbergasted" my arse.
How dim does he obviously think you are?
He is clearly gaslighting you to believe his violence is imaginary and any problem you have with it is YOUR issue anyway.

Clearly it is convenient to live in your home.
If you choose to believe his bullshit "surprise" that his violent abuse of you is wrong, then that IS on you.
It is very clear you know you are nervous of him, walk on shells, just like you were growing up.

He has apologised by text to shut you up.
.
You are 100% an abused women living with a violent bully.
But if that is all you think you deserve, no one can help you.
I certainly hope you do not have children with this violent abuse.
That you were trying to do so and replicate your own abusive childhood is so sad.
Parents trying for children usually want the best childhood for a prospective child, certainly better than their own if it wasn't great, and strive to provide that.

VJBR · 22/06/2024 07:48

TheShyRoseZebra · 21/06/2024 23:17

Today we tried to discuss everything. I told him I am angry that he has not apologized for the original argument, for the follow up argument when I was trying to discuss it, for telling me to shut up when I was talking in that ‘small little victim voice’, for the wall punching, minimizing, stonewalling.

He was bewildered and flabbergasted. He said the original argument was so ridiculous and he didn’t feel the need to say sorry. He doesn’t ever say sorry, he said it means nothing to him, its just words. If I want him to say the words he will, but he doesn’t feel it.

As regards the punching of walls, he was also absolutely shocked that this could be considered abusive, threatening or scary. He said the absolute minimum is that he wants me to feel safe in my own house. He reiterated that he would never ever hurt me. He was shocked that I feel scared in these moments, as he doesn’t do it in the same room as me, he walks to another room, and its just letting off steam. He said for where he grew up it is normal.

I was reflecting on something someone said about repeating patterns from childhood situations and someone else who said pay attention…is it really me who starts things?So I have been paying more attention to my feelings and reactions the past few days.

Making dinner together last night, I was hyper aware of trying to keep the peace. Not reacting to his hostile snapping when he got stressed, the tone he uses when telling me to do something, stir something etc. I did recognize that I am walking on eggshells around him a bit. Stupid shit like when he cooks me food, I was for a microsecond hesitant to put salt/pepper on it, it case he snapped at me. I spilled a bit of wine and was worried he would have a go at me and there would be another row or negative atmosphere. And then realizing how ridiculously stupid that is. Incidentally he did not have a go at me about either thing. So my pattern is conflict avoidance to a certain extent, realizing how fucked up that is and then usually totally kicking off to defend myself. Then I inevitably get the blame for being the angry one, when all he has done is cooked me a lovely meal.

I explained this to him today and how I grew up in a house like that and I don’t want it again. He said that its a problem from my past, its is not reality, its baggage. He said that he can think that he is a donkey, but he will never be a donkey despite how much he thinks he is because its just not reality. He denys talking to me in a short/snappy way and says I am way too sensitive, its a problem of interpretation, and how I take things is wrong.

Its bewildering to me how two people can have the same conversation or lived experience and a completely different interpretation/perspective of what is happening.

He finally apologized by text this evening.

He is gaslighting you. Acting as if your concerns aren’t real. Do you really want to spend the rest of your life walking on eggshells. Ask your self what percentage of the time are you happy with him and what percentage are you unhappy, stressed, on edge. Please get out while you can.

Fleetheart · 22/06/2024 07:43

He is a donkey! the fact he was flabbergasted speaks volumes. I also urge you to ask him to leave, and if you are in any doubt, see if you can spend a week or so (or even less) with someone who treats you well and respectfully. Realise that this is normal. I was in a similar situation as you and this is one thing that actually opened my eyes to his awful behaviour. He used to be really off with me if I dropped a drink or anything like that. It’s really not ok. It’s time for him to go. Please listen to what people are saying.

MamaLazerou · 22/06/2024 07:42

Haven’t RTWT so apologies if these points have already been made. The door/ wall hitting is abusive and made me wonder if that’s why you do so much DIY?

Additionally IMO his driving becoming scary is another red flag and form of abuse…

Despite what he says about not realising his behaviour is scary it does feel like he is trying to scare you…

fairymary87 · 22/06/2024 07:36

Saying he's never hurt you, girl it's he's not hurt you yet, can't you see what's happening here. To him, you didn't preform to your duties as the women this week. Flu neglected him. So he's emotionally abused you. With silence. Look at you, questioning yourself now, are you the problem. He's then pinched a wall.... bravo. 👏🏼 you're scared, confused and trying to reason with yourself well, he'd never hurt me. When it's more of the case of he hasn't hurt you yet! So please please please, done waste your time, youth and energy on this person a moment longer. LEAVE HIM before the next thing he punches is you.

Nazzywish · 22/06/2024 07:29

Why can't you see whatvthe rest of us are seeing. Its your flat so tell him to go. Have a friend present when you do or family because you said you don't think he'll go. Pack his stuff and send him on his way. This is fast turning into a control situation you need to extract yourself out of now

SauvignonBlonk · 22/06/2024 07:14

This is one of those occasions where ‘he is showing you exactly who he is - believe him’.
He doesn’t sound very nice OP, you sound too good for him.
I’d make plans to leave if I were you. He probably won’t like it, so I’d get some support from friends/family/womens aid first; you need to leave safely.

Heybearu · 22/06/2024 06:59

The scary driving is a very very common feature I. Abusive controlling men

Get him to leave. It will only ever get worse..

Staringatthewalljustmeagain · 22/06/2024 06:20

You are now wilfully refusing to see what’s happening here. I’m worried. I’m worried at how you level blame at yourself, and how you try to make out you give as good as you get.

He uses fear to keep you in line.

DreamTheMoors · 22/06/2024 02:57

You know how you sound to me, @TheShyRoseZebra?
You sound like somebody who’d jump at a cat walking by or a breeze blowing the curtains.
After your last post you sound not like a woman who’s afraid she’ll be beaten — but a woman who’s afraid she’ll be beaten again.
I imagine you as very thin and gaunt with dark circles under your eyes and wearing all black and going barefoot so you won’t make a sound. You sound resigned to your life as it is.
And one thing that stood out to me that I’ve experienced myself was being in a car with an angry man — it’s terrifying, isn’t it? Their sheer recklessness and speed and what always got me was that he cared so little for my life when he drove like that. He put so little value on my life. Well, he put no value on my life at all.
I wish you well. And I send you love. ❤️

pikkumyy77 · 22/06/2024 02:17

The “its just baggage “ thing and the donkey metaphor are absurd denials of your experience. And its pretty rich coming from a man who punches walls as normal because if his childhood experiences. You told him something important about your life and he dismissed it as not real. Then you asked him to change his behavior and he told you it came from his childhood and couldn’t be changed.

Stop negotiating against yourself. He is a terrible person and he has no intention of changing.

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