Terrorists' vandalising Stone Henge and trying to force govt policy

but at the same time most of the general public will think its pointless actions and basically using threats to want the change of govt policy = terrorism tatics.
and those that can already help the environment presumably are eg developing better tech etc

They use lots of methods, including targeting oil companies directly, but they don’t make the news. The media also cut short their speeches. For what it’s worth, when I first heard about the soup throwing stuff I didn’t get it either, and I was upset because I love Van Gogh. But now I see that, among other things, they are trying to make people think about why these acts provoke such strong emotions while ecocide occurring constantly on a mass scale does not. Stonehenge was an excellent example of this with the outrage over the lichen.

but then why didnt they think of better ways to help the environment how is blocking roads helping etc

Yes, you've said that already. Which part of my response where you having difficulty understanding?

The bit where I point out that oil companies routinely break the law without recieving the same outrage as JSO do or the bit where I point out you don't get to decide which groups are proscribed terrorists on whim?

Ta. I was aware of toad blocking but not F1 which I don't follow. Pointless 'sport' in my opinion

They are doing these things though. Did you not see them at the British Grand Prix?

If you google 'private jets JSO' and use the advanced search to look pre June 2024 you can see they've been doing this long before spraying Taylor Swift's jet.

They also target the oil companies but that doesn't tend to make the news, for some reason...

What I want to know is if they threw orange paint at Donald Trump because of his private jet use, would anyone notice?

I'm pretty sure JSO are some weird right wing reverse psychology group that are trying to turn us against climate activism. It would seem that way.

Stonehedge damage didn't land either, it just annoyed people.

How about blocking private jets and preventing them from actually taking off. A smaller number of actions that stop flights in private jets, stop F1 races from burning thousands of gallons of fuel.

Throwing paint or other things at art, relives, etc is imo a turn off and makes them come over as idiots.

People have been and still are doing all those things too. And it has not landed. People still don’t get it.

So direct action pushes climate to the top of the news and sparks debate.

Like this one, and millions more on other sites, and in meatspace too.

I see your points.

So they get in their cars and drive to stonehedge (protester questioned on tv said at least they didn't fly) to throw paint to protest.

Meanwhile a small number of super rich with their own planes ignore them. Did Taylor Swift even reply to their comments about her having a private plane. If they just targeted people that use private planes, Formula 1, the thousands of households using oil for heating (promoting use of solar and heat pumps instead) they just appear to destroy things. So people IMO turn away.

It’s not ‘their’ cause and it isn’t a case of whether you support it or not.

It’s fact that human created climate change is happening, we have known this for a long time, it’s happening quicker and more fiercely than predicted, people are already dying and getting sicker as a result. Our ability to grow food is already suffering and climate related migration is already happening.

That’s not a ‘cause’ to support or not, it’s a massive threat to our own existence.

Tut at them if you like but what are you doing about it? What do you expect those people that understand the true situation and see that governments are still putting oil company profit above our survival?

100% this. ^

Isn't the point of terrorism that it incites terror?
If you're terrified of the thought of an ancient monument, or an old painting, or someone's plane going a bit orange for a while before it's cleaned up, you need to give your head a wobble.

We're talking about their actions that's true. Are we thinking of supporting their 'cause' though.

It’s not old enough to know better. It’s wanting to do whatever they can for their kids and grandkids and bring at a stage of life where being arrested won’t ruin their future. People are dying, while governments still seek new fossil fuel production. We have to rise up and fight. It’s the only sane option. Ignoring the problem won’t make it go away.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czvvqdg8zxno

No but it got us talking about the very real and current threat of climate change just before the election so mission accomplished. Like or loath their methods, they are right. And actually, when there is such an enormous threat to us all, there has been decades of peaceful campaigning and protest and still this arsehole government allows more oil to be produced, the only sensible thing to do is rage rage rage. Direct action is the only tool left in the tool bag.

Absolutely. The science couldn’t be much stronger. And Governments across the globe are not taking enough action to protect us. What do we have left, after literally decades of peaceful campaigning and protest, other than shocking direct action to wake us up.

Yup. And we’d probably not be voting in the 4th. Sometimes needs must. Governments are failing to take action to protect us. People are already dying.

Translation: I don't have a proper argument so I'll just assume bad faith and post an overegged pearl clutch.

The alternative to these silly demos in terms of fighting climate change is perfectly available. It's just much harder work and less instaworthy. HtH.

No, it doesn't. Ring of Brodgar and Skara Brae are much older.

They're not terrorists, what a stupid thing to say. They are twits though.

"Fewer people using cars would help a great deal, yes"

Well seeing as you keep posting statements instead of answering the question I'm going to take it that you do drive.
Even if you drive less often than you used to, it's so hypocritical to complain about the cars driving past stone henge.

They're targeting people when they block the roads and won't let ambulances through.
IMO they are idiots who are not helping the environmental cause.
I can understand some of the younger ones, but some of them recently have been in their 60s FFS. Definitely old enough to know better.

'Of course. Don’t mention JSO, don’t mention protests, don’t mention climate change. Fingers in ears, all together, lalalalala…'

Hahahahahaha @SeriaMau

Yes, because they're doing absolutely nothing for the cause. So, ignore them. They're a liability. You think throwing powder paint at Stonehenge is doing anything? What has it achieved? It's not even starting a proper conversation because all anyone thinks is 'nobs' and moves on. It isn't making anyone stop and think. When JSO is made up of grown ups with a logical protest that speaks to the public, with real arguments, who put forward real solutions to the people then they'll start to listen. Defacing anything is imbecilic.

Of course. Don’t mention JSO, don’t mention protests, don’t mention climate change. Fingers in ears, all together, lalalalala…

It was a silly thing to do and won’t get them any support. It will wash off in the rain or with a hosepipe. Not sure there is much more to say really.