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Terrorists' vandalising Stone Henge and trying to force govt policy

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FoxJTT047101111 · 19/06/2024 19:58

We need the security services to shut the group down when they are carrying out what can be described as terrorist methods to influence govt policy.

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OonaStubbs · 24/06/2024 21:56

Noddedoffagain · 24/06/2024 21:31

Yes. They should sacrifice their life. Good plan. 🙄

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It worked for the Suffragettes.

SocoBateVira · 24/06/2024 21:52

Noddedoffagain · 24/06/2024 21:01

So what IS needed then that hasn’t already been done a gazillion times before over the last 4 decades? What? Please tell us and we will do it!

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What they can do is not vandalise Stonehenge. That will solve the problems of putting people off their cause due to being stupid cunts and of disrespecting a religious and cultural site, and will also be no worse for the environment than vandalising Stonehenge.

Ultimately, the argument a lot of you are making here is that anything is better than nothing. It isn't. Direct action can do nothing whatsoever and can make things worse. Those are also possibilities. You need to engage with that.

CassandraWebb · 24/06/2024 21:51

Noddedoffagain · 24/06/2024 21:34

What CAN they do? What can ordinary people do that hasn’t already been done for the last 40 years at least? Come up with a suggestion and I’ll do it.

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Change how we live.

Buy less.

Drive less.

Fly less

Harvestfestivalknickers · 24/06/2024 21:50

Noddedoffagain · 24/06/2024 21:34

What CAN they do? What can ordinary people do that hasn’t already been done for the last 40 years at least? Come up with a suggestion and I’ll do it.

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Stand for Parliament and get elected to influence government policy?

OperationGoldDawn · 24/06/2024 21:50

Noddedoffagain · 24/06/2024 21:34

What CAN they do? What can ordinary people do that hasn’t already been done for the last 40 years at least? Come up with a suggestion and I’ll do it.

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Easy trust in big business and big science that eventually they will develop tech to save the planet similar with how we are now using battery powered cars etc

Noddedoffagain · 24/06/2024 21:34

Harvestfestivalknickers · 24/06/2024 21:30

I'm not sneering, I'm concerned about the environment too. I'm just fed up with the 'world is burning' 'don't you care about your children' rhetoric .......but no actual answers on WHAT JSO are doing to improve the situation? It's much easier to chuck paint, glue themselves to tarmac and sit on tube trains than to put some hard graft into standing for Parliament or finding a solution isn't it?

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What CAN they do? What can ordinary people do that hasn’t already been done for the last 40 years at least? Come up with a suggestion and I’ll do it.

Noddedoffagain · 24/06/2024 21:31

OonaStubbs · 24/06/2024 21:09

Why don't they throw themselves in front of the King's horse like the Suffragettes did? Lets see if they have the courage of their conviction. Throwing powder paint on some stones is easy.

Yes. They should sacrifice their life. Good plan. 🙄

Harvestfestivalknickers · 24/06/2024 21:30

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:36

The sneering isn't going to change anything so you might as well save it

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I'm not sneering, I'm concerned about the environment too. I'm just fed up with the 'world is burning' 'don't you care about your children' rhetoric .......but no actual answers on WHAT JSO are doing to improve the situation? It's much easier to chuck paint, glue themselves to tarmac and sit on tube trains than to put some hard graft into standing for Parliament or finding a solution isn't it?

OonaStubbs · 24/06/2024 21:09

Why don't they throw themselves in front of the King's horse like the Suffragettes did? Lets see if they have the courage of their conviction. Throwing powder paint on some stones is easy.

Noddedoffagain · 24/06/2024 21:05

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:44

my respect goes to the scientists/engineers actually trying to do something about it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-09-09/climate-change-scientists-activists-demanding-action/101392282

Mine too.

Me too. I think it’s noble and history (if anyone’s left to tell it) will see their courage like we look back on the Suffragettes, Ghandi etc. I love Radical Tea Towels for highlighting the difference that people can make if the stand up for what they know is right and protest.

Noddedoffagain · 24/06/2024 21:01

SocoBateVira · 24/06/2024 09:37

So it took place after the Stonehenge incident, after all this discussion that it inspired, and yet the march still didn't get much coverage or make an impact.

Your point is basically that something is needed. I agree. It doesn't follow that JSO is this something, and it's absolutely possible for people to get so pissed off that they actually make things worse. You can clearly see how that might be the case when it comes to blocking oil refineries, so that does mean you have to also apply the same principle when it comes to direct action that you approve of.

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So what IS needed then that hasn’t already been done a gazillion times before over the last 4 decades? What? Please tell us and we will do it!

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 24/06/2024 19:42

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:38

I think people will get a huge scare at some point, and public opinion will shift in favour of direct action.

Don't hold your breath. Most people know better.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 24/06/2024 19:39

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:48

I hope all those keen on supporting climate scientists on this issue will join them in the direct actions they are now taking, or at least express solidarity in general.

Because of course we haven't already been supporting their actual research and work, and grandstanding is the only option for them and us.

Think again. So called direct action is as indirect as you get. It's just play acting.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 24/06/2024 19:38

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:36

The sneering isn't going to change anything so you might as well save it

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It's not sneering, it's thinking. Direct action isn't going to change anything either, so you save it.

Hardly a difficult or complex concept.

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:48

I hope all those keen on supporting climate scientists on this issue will join them in the direct actions they are now taking, or at least express solidarity in general.

SocoBateVira · 24/06/2024 14:47

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:45

In your opinion

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And in reality.

Because if you disagree with me, that means you're saying it's impossible that direct action now could fail to have a positive impact. Or do you actually think it's literally assured?

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:45

SocoBateVira · 24/06/2024 14:44

Yes, so you keep saying.

You are entitled to your beliefs and your faith that vandalising Stonehenge will at some unspecified point change people's behaviour. But it's just plain wrong to present this as a choice between pain now and more pain later. Because there's another, worse, third possibility.

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In your opinion

SocoBateVira · 24/06/2024 14:44

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:41

I think it's best to support action now, as soon as possible. Before things spiral completely out of control.

Yes, so you keep saying.

You are entitled to your beliefs and your faith that vandalising Stonehenge will at some unspecified point change people's behaviour. But it's just plain wrong to present this as a choice between pain now and more pain later. Because there's another, worse, third possibility.

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:41

I think it's best to support action now, as soon as possible. Before things spiral completely out of control.

SocoBateVira · 24/06/2024 14:40

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:38

I think people will get a huge scare at some point, and public opinion will shift in favour of direct action.

Maybe. Who knows? But it evidently isn't now, which is why vandalising Stonehenge is achieving fuck all.

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:38

I think people will get a huge scare at some point, and public opinion will shift in favour of direct action.

SocoBateVira · 24/06/2024 14:37

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:35

I meant the ecosystem dying

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As did I.

There's a third option that involves the pain now with Stonehenge stunts, it not changing anything at all and then ecosystem collapse in exactly the same way later on.

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:36

Harvestfestivalknickers · 24/06/2024 14:29

The trouble with this 'direct action' is it causes a huge amount of disruption/cost/damage/ill feeling without actually achieving anything as JSO are not providing alternatives/answers/doing anything positive to stop our reliance on oil.
Yes, chuck your paint on a snooker table, wear your t shirts with slogans, sit cross legged in the road and get arrested. But 'bringing it to people's attention' isn't solving the problem. Its lazy activism, maximum distuption for minimal effort. We can all shout and stamp our feet but my respect goes to the scientists/engineers actually trying to do something about it.

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The sneering isn't going to change anything so you might as well save it

Begsthequestion · 24/06/2024 14:35

SocoBateVira · 24/06/2024 14:31

There's a third option that you haven't mentioned.

Pain now because of this stupid shit, then the same pain later on because it hasn't actually changed anything.

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I meant the ecosystem dying