Terrorists' vandalising Stone Henge and trying to force govt policy

Brilliant! I think I’ve got some in

And easier still to stick your fingers in your ears while sneering at anyone trying to influence the government to stop approving new oil projects for the sake of averting environmental disaster.

Ah yes, the time, money and effort excuse. Much easier to don a high viz vest and sit on a tube train shouting slogans.

Nope. They keep on keeping on until…..well….we….just…stop….

Oh if only that were true. But let’s say there is a chance that the 1% of scientists that don’t agree with the overall premise that climate change is human driven are right. With risk assessments you work out;

1 The probability of something happening
2 The consequences if it does.

So the vast majority of scientists are in agreement so the probability is high.
The consequences are utterly catastrophic.

So in my analogy above. My roof is looking like it’s about to cave in. I’ve got a crowd of 9 builders, structural engineers etc shouting that it’s about to collapse on me, they are worried so they are a bit vexed, loud and shouting that I should get out. But then there is one builder with a fag hanging out of his mouth saying ‘nah, looks ok to me love’.

Whose advice should I follow? I’d really like to believe my roof is fine, I don’t want to move, it’s all a bit scary and the shouty crowd of 9 are really getting on my tits.

But what would the sensible thing be?

Terrorism isn't confined to directly killing people. If I burn down one house in your street until the government agrees to my demands that is terrorism even if no one dies.

They are saying "Your democracy is over. You will obey us now",

Even though the ones in the front line are a bunch of useless twats their intent and that of those funding them is a serious matter and they should be treated accordingly.

So if it's 'worked' because it's headline news, does JSO disband and go home patting themselves on the back because the climate crisis has been averted?

We can try spooking them with orange cornflour first

Oh yes. Sorry. I think there are horses in the next field. I’ll go and lie down whilst crossing my fingers!

It’s ALL been tried before over decades. Have you any idea how much time and money it takes to do that? It’s too late for niceties and playing fair. Governments are too closely linked with the oil industry and they are putting us at increased risk and are not acting in our best interests.

Well apparently we should all just throw ourselves in front of horses and die - do keep up 🐎

what if and a big what if the climate change information is flawed ?

They ARE. Be suspicious of the media, who pick and choose what they report to suit their own agendas.

The question was;

So what SHOULD one do if one knows the facts about climate change, every single other thing that can be done to influence policy has been done, regularly over a period of decades, and we are in the midst of an emerging emergency where people are already suffering and dying, and it’s only going to get worse, and the government know this but don’t act…

WHAT ELSE IS THERE?

At least try. Do it diiferent to the Greens if its not working for them. Campaign on a single issue if needs be.

Or is this classic Problem Reaction Solution so we all clamour for our right to protest to come to an end. Why aren't they chucking oaint at BP and Shell owners Bentleys? But at things the public like? I'm suspicious

There’s a lot more of tax payers’ money being spent on the aftermath of floods and flood defences.

well its better than alot of various people commiting criminal acts and wasting tax payers ££ having to repair the damages etc

See my point above about the arsehole builder.

You are missing the point. It HAS worked. Coverage all over the media. Much more attention grabbing than ‘another March through London’. They aren’t trying to get more subscribers or supporters. They are trying to make headlines and keep it on the agenda. And they are succeeding. All publicity is good publicity.

And if you vote for climate wrecking policies because you are mad at JSO, that just shooting yourself in the foot. My roof is caving in and there is a builder shouting over at me that it’s about to fall on top of me but I don’t like the way he’s shouting so I’m going to stand here, cross my arms and frown at him. I might even give the roof a poke!! stupid terrorist builder!

Set up a counter-organisation. For every act of vandalism or public inconvenience, we'll burn a barrel of oil. 🤣

What do you think green candidates have been doing for the last few decades?

It isn’t enough.

Staggeringly naive 😆

Are you serious? You think JSO campaigners should kill themselves? Really?

Aaah. The ‘close your eyes and keep your fingers crossed’ plan. Good. That’ll work, and then we don’t have to change. Hurrah.

May be that will happen at the eleventh hour like any good disaster movie, but why go for the may be/possibly instead of what we know will work? Then if solutions do come along we can start drilling happily for oil again and chuck our bottles straight in the sea and skip the bin stage?

And of course we can trust big tech and business to put people before profit. There is a strong history of just that happening. Jobs a gudden.