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Terrorists' vandalising Stone Henge and trying to force govt policy

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FoxJTT047101111 · 19/06/2024 19:58

We need the security services to shut the group down when they are carrying out what can be described as terrorist methods to influence govt policy.

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Allfur · 19/06/2024 21:51

Fireyflies · 19/06/2024 21:41

I think the issue is that some people see this kind of thing and think that environmentalism has "gone too far' and is not for people like them (who wouldn't throw paint), so they start to see themselves as different from the environmentalists. They the start to question some of the other demands that environmentalism puts on their lives - and vote Reform so that their taxes aren't being spent on the things these vandals are demanding.

Ah! so they're increasing the reform vote?

cupcaske123 · 19/06/2024 21:51

NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/06/2024 21:45

Is potentially rendering particular species of lichen (which is not impossible, some are incredibly localised) extinct laughable? Is making it impossible for the assorted crowds of people who go there every midsummer as part of their spiritual beliefs to access the place as they're now going to be seen as untrustworthy/might have paint or other substances on them to destroy more of the particular local ecosystem also laughable?

Seeing as archaeology goes down to the microscopic level in the form of identifying plants, lichens and pollen, they've already added 'pigments from 21st century vandalism' to the history of the site.

They're not clever, they're not heroes or anything special. They're just pretending that their desire to destroy things that don't matter to them is for good reasons instead of the actual reasons of a buzz and more attention.

You seem to have deliberately misinterpreted what I meant. The government have approved a plan to build a road under Stone Henge which, in my opinion, is an act of vandalism. Therefore the government calling this an act of vandalism is bare faced cheek.

I didn't call them heroes.

Gakpo · 19/06/2024 21:51

RavenclawWitchy · 19/06/2024 21:48

Summer Solstice is tomorrow. Hundreds of Pagans and Wiccans will be visiting Stonehenge as a place of religious worship. This is the very reason JSO chose this target.
No different than vandalising a mosque the day before Eid or a church on Christmas Eve.

This, 100%

Utterly disrespectful.

LlynTegid · 19/06/2024 21:50

I bet they travelled there on an oil powered vehicle.

RavenclawWitchy · 19/06/2024 21:48

Summer Solstice is tomorrow. Hundreds of Pagans and Wiccans will be visiting Stonehenge as a place of religious worship. This is the very reason JSO chose this target.
No different than vandalising a mosque the day before Eid or a church on Christmas Eve.

Ilovemyshed · 19/06/2024 21:47

Blackcats7 · 19/06/2024 20:02

Whilst I don’t think their methods are right I don’t agree that they are terrorists. They target things not people.

The definition in the Terrorism Act is:

The specific actions included are:
• serious violence against a person;
• serious damage to property;
• endangering a person's life (other than that of the person committing the action);
• creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public; and
• action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.

So yes, they very much ARE terrorists.

Everysand · 19/06/2024 21:47

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/06/2024 21:45

Do you think that having taken a lot of measures already that I haven’t considered it ?

It fails because public transport in my rural village is not fit for purpose. First bus out gets me to work at 10:30am, last back means I would have to leave at 4pm.

Maybe use a bike

NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/06/2024 21:45

cupcaske123 · 19/06/2024 20:33

I read that the curators are investigating the extent of the damage. So they've no idea if there's been any damage. Apparently it was made out of cornflour.

The government are having a laugh calling it an act of vandalism. Don't they want to build a road under it?

Is potentially rendering particular species of lichen (which is not impossible, some are incredibly localised) extinct laughable? Is making it impossible for the assorted crowds of people who go there every midsummer as part of their spiritual beliefs to access the place as they're now going to be seen as untrustworthy/might have paint or other substances on them to destroy more of the particular local ecosystem also laughable?

Seeing as archaeology goes down to the microscopic level in the form of identifying plants, lichens and pollen, they've already added 'pigments from 21st century vandalism' to the history of the site.

They're not clever, they're not heroes or anything special. They're just pretending that their desire to destroy things that don't matter to them is for good reasons instead of the actual reasons of a buzz and more attention.

QuickDraining · 19/06/2024 21:45

It's a magical old stone circle that has been rebuilt last century and just had a bit of orange flour thrown upon them to highlight the world's plight. Nothing to really moan about here.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/06/2024 21:45

Wideskye · 19/06/2024 21:41

Why not give up the car and use public transport?

Do you think that having taken a lot of measures already that I haven’t considered it ?

It fails because public transport in my rural village is not fit for purpose. First bus out gets me to work at 10:30am, last back means I would have to leave at 4pm.

blacksax · 19/06/2024 21:42

Leaving aside the criminal damage of an ancient monument and the disgraceful act of endangering rare species, I wonder whether they considered the powerful religious significance that Stonehenge holds for Pagans.

Would they have vandalised a synagogue or a mosque? I very much doubt it, because they are cowards as well as fuckwits.

They deserve nothing but utter contempt for their actions.

Fireyflies · 19/06/2024 21:41

MissTrip82 · 19/06/2024 21:27

Can’t understand the people ‘turned off the cause’ by this.
Surely nobody of normal intelligence stops seeing the evidence on climate change because of the actions of a handful of people? That would be truly foolish behaviour.

I think the issue is that some people see this kind of thing and think that environmentalism has "gone too far' and is not for people like them (who wouldn't throw paint), so they start to see themselves as different from the environmentalists. They the start to question some of the other demands that environmentalism puts on their lives - and vote Reform so that their taxes aren't being spent on the things these vandals are demanding.

Wideskye · 19/06/2024 21:41

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/06/2024 21:05

Dumb argument. Are you saying we can only question ecocide and mass extinction if we first 100% cleanse ourselves of all fossil fuels and derivatives?

I have:

  • Divested my pension
  • Divested my savings
  • Fitted solar and batteries
  • Switched to agile renewables
  • Replaced my diesel with EV
  • Stopped eating beef
  • Cut flights

It’s a good start, there’s lots more to do, I’m working on it !

Why not give up the car and use public transport?

Purplebunnie · 19/06/2024 21:39

Luminousalumnus · 19/06/2024 21:12

No. I'm worried that wankers like these are what people think of when they consider climate change. Have they ever converted anyone to their point of view? They appear stupid, privileged and out of touch. They make it easier for people to dismiss climate change. Are you sure they are not being financed by oil companies?

Thank you for putting this so more eloquently than I could

I despair if JSO, they are harming the cause of environmentalists

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/06/2024 21:38

Harvestfestivalknickers · 19/06/2024 21:35

So that article tells us more than JSO ever did. The alarmist 'world is burning' and 'present and real emergency' are just words. By standing on top of a tube train shouting that we don't care about our children's future is ridiculous. Of course we do. JSO have to stop the publicity stunts and communicate how THEY are helping/improving the situation. Stand for election, just do something POSITIVE. Stop choosing easy targets involving minimal effort to disrupt. The snooker? Weddings? cricket? How is that helping? Make some positive effort not just empty headed chucking of paint, gluing of hands?

That JSO took action lead to people reading that article.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/06/2024 21:37

TheTartfulLodger · 19/06/2024 21:30

Tell that to the people who died because ambulances couldn't get through the road blocks.

Who died ?

Allfur · 19/06/2024 21:35

TheTartfulLodger · 19/06/2024 21:30

Tell that to the people who died because ambulances couldn't get through the road blocks.

How many was that?

Harvestfestivalknickers · 19/06/2024 21:35

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/06/2024 21:23

They’re a lot less destructive than oil companies and their controversial and headline-grabbing actions help bring this urgent issue to the top of the agenda.

Now we can all read this for example and see if we’re still happy calling orange cornstarch “terrorism”:

“ We were eating, drinking, breathing the oil”

So that article tells us more than JSO ever did. The alarmist 'world is burning' and 'present and real emergency' are just words. By standing on top of a tube train shouting that we don't care about our children's future is ridiculous. Of course we do. JSO have to stop the publicity stunts and communicate how THEY are helping/improving the situation. Stand for election, just do something POSITIVE. Stop choosing easy targets involving minimal effort to disrupt. The snooker? Weddings? cricket? How is that helping? Make some positive effort not just empty headed chucking of paint, gluing of hands?

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/06/2024 21:34

SnowDiaries · 19/06/2024 21:24

Just Stop Oil's German equivalent also claimed that the orange paint they sprayed on the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin would 'just wash off in the rain'. It didn't. Cleaning the porous sandstone took three months, costing €140k of taxpayer's money.

Boohoo.

Do you know how much this cost to clean up ?

Terrorists' vandalising Stone Henge and trying to force govt policy
Terrorists' vandalising Stone Henge and trying to force govt policy
FoxJTT047101111 · 19/06/2024 21:34

TheTartfulLodger · 19/06/2024 21:30

Tell that to the people who died because ambulances couldn't get through the road blocks.

i never understood the whole blocking the roads that again omg behaviours

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NoSnowdrop · 19/06/2024 21:31

Pippippip2024 · 19/06/2024 20:11

Won’t it all just wash off when it rains though?

No it won’t and the idiots on this thread don’t understand how important lichens are for giving us clean air.

always the over privileged brats who do these stupid stunts too. Wearing £45 quid t-shirts from fucking Mexico, they’re insufferable hypocrites.

AutumnCrow · 19/06/2024 21:31

GreigeO · 19/06/2024 20:18

Have they done anything that causes long-term damage to it? I thought they always chose methods that didn’t cause permanent damage?

Are they forensic archaeologists with expertise in eco-taphonomic pedology? I'd be surprised.

TheTartfulLodger · 19/06/2024 21:30

Blackcats7 · 19/06/2024 20:02

Whilst I don’t think their methods are right I don’t agree that they are terrorists. They target things not people.

Tell that to the people who died because ambulances couldn't get through the road blocks.

Gladanotthwrteamonesomething · 19/06/2024 21:29

SnowDiaries · 19/06/2024 21:24

Just Stop Oil's German equivalent also claimed that the orange paint they sprayed on the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin would 'just wash off in the rain'. It didn't. Cleaning the porous sandstone took three months, costing €140k of taxpayer's money.

Exactly, stupid as well. Fine them the clean up costs. Many seem quite well off.

Gladanotthwrteamonesomething · 19/06/2024 21:28

Luminousalumnus · 19/06/2024 21:12

No. I'm worried that wankers like these are what people think of when they consider climate change. Have they ever converted anyone to their point of view? They appear stupid, privileged and out of touch. They make it easier for people to dismiss climate change. Are you sure they are not being financed by oil companies?

This.

People don't respect them or their opinions. They achieve nothing good from their actions. Just twats.