Terrorists' vandalising Stone Henge and trying to force govt policy

I think you have done a great deal to help We have done almost everything on your list Although we had a petrol car rather than a diesel car.
Our first solar panel still heats our water after 25 years. Luckily our back garden faces South do we do generate a lot of electricity in our more modern ones. We have also added battery.
We deliberately chose a home near our places of work. The bus service over the years has dwindled although I can cycle 3 miles to a train station for an hourly local service that connects to a mainline.
My worry about EV is how the minerals are mined and their sustainability. I know that is hypocritical as I have a battery for the panels and phones etc.
Hopefully, everybody can do some of the things your list. For many it maybe that they can't afford and EV or stuck in a flat that has no access to a charging point.
However, I think some of the actions of JSO is alienating a lot of people. You need the people on your side to actually make change.

Stone henge is a henge made of stones. The field 400+ meters away from it is not stone henge.

They're building the tunnel under the site. The site is Stone Henge. I didn't say they were building the tunnel under the stones. It's called the Stone Henge World Heritage Site.

I don't think drawing parallels with the Suffragettes is helpful tbh. Granting votes to women required one simple act of parliament and was entirely within the gift of the British government. It did just need political will. Finding the technologies, political and economic solutions to move the entire world away from fossil fuels is a million times more complex.

Yes you did. You said "the government approved a plan to build a tunnel under stone henge"

The tunnel is slightly further away from the stones than the current road.

Mary Richardson, the suffragette who slashed the Rokeby Venus, went on to become a prominent member of the British Union of Fascists. Some people are just drawn to aggro for the sake of aggro.

Many of the actions of the suffragettes did nothing for their cause. Hunger strikes and forced feeding gained them support but arson and bombings just played into the hands of those who thought women too irrational and governed by emotions to vote. What really won it for women was persistent campaigning, persuasive and logical argument and the First World War.

Just Stop Oil are great at grabbing attention but terrible at winning over the public. All they do is damage their own cause while simultaneously making life harder for everyone else.

So you don’t need a car then

It's moving the A303 under part of the site. I didn't say it was going under the stones!

I agree, I always like seeing the stones as I drive down there. It was even better before they removed the direct road from the A303, as we used to stop for a coffee there. Now you have to drive 2 miles away from the road, go to a visitor centre and get on a bus to see the stones!

No it's bleeding not! It took me 30 seconds to double check the unlikely sounding idea that they would try to tunnel under the actual stones. https://stonehengealliance.org.uk/a303-stonehenge-references/a303-stonehenge-consultation-2018/a303-stonehenge-scheme-images/

Why would you believe something like that and not take the time to check whether it's correct?

It would be more logical and sympathetic if they targeted OPEC countries but that might come at some personal risk and cost, so they won't do it.

Yep! Imagine trying this sort of shit in Saudi Arabia.

Yep, thankfully there are people who care about the planet standing for parliament. But I'm not aware of any of the JSO rabble?

Which is a massive shame - it is such a joy to see Stonehenge as you drive by.

Have they been infiltrated by oil companies? It seems the only explanation as they are doing such a great job at turning people away from the environmental cause.

Orange paint on stones - meh nobody dies. Can’t get worked up about it.

Climate change - meh nobody … oh, wait.

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Fucking bellends.

I do that too.

People who care about the planet’s future also do that. There’s more than one approach.

The tunnel is going under the site.

Exactly, in my old school many students could ask for the Solstice off as it was their religious or worshable day.

'Lets disrupt people getting to work and getting married! People need to be aware of the article in Guardian that someone else wrote!'
Why not stand for election? Nothing to stop them ?

It's the constantly going after soft targets that alienates the public from Just Stop Oil and makes their stunts counterproductive. It's not like Greenpeace sailing in front of whalers or women camping on Greenham Common. It would be more logical and sympathetic if they targeted OPEC countries but that might come at some personal risk and cost, so they won't do it.

The whole debacle of Baillie Gifford and the Hay Literary Festival tells you how grandiose these people are, and how unworldly about the way things work. They thought that given the choice between its investors and sponsoring a literary festival, an investment fund would choose the festival. Nothing they have done so far has done a jot for the environment but they are making life a lot harder for free-to-access museums, galleries and heritage sites in a way that will gradually chip away at the visitor experience of those places. It won't matter to Just Stop Oil, though, as they all seem rich enough to jet around the world in a way that suggests free entry places don't really matter to them.

The government did not approve a road under stone henge. They wanted to widen the A303 which has a single track bit near stone henge which is always a traffic jam. They agreed (at the request of English Heritage I believe) to make a big tunnel for the bit of the road near stone henge so that the view of the road didn't spoil people's enjoyment of the stones.

Absolutely! Have a look on twitter - there's right wingers all over it saying how this illustrates how net zero has gone too far and Labour's net zero plans need to stop because that would be giving these people what they want.

LOL at everyone tutting over disrespecting the witches!