Terrorists' vandalising Stone Henge and trying to force govt policy

But they didn't. They stopped a truck because it was carrying oil. Vegetable oil.

They are a special sort of stupid.

This is incredibly disrespectful.

Paganism is a religious belief that goes back to a time of prehistory. It symbolises polytheism and many ancient beliefs. Many of which still remain, anyone who’s ever eaten an Easter egg or had a Christmas tree is partaking in sacred ancient rituals that have been handed down through generations of humans, adapting the symbolic meanings as time passes.

Many people, who still hold those ancient beliefs of being one with the earth and its seasons, were due to meet and celebrate at one of the very few remaining places on earth that our ancestors also celebrated at.

Do you not understand the significance of being able to stand where our ancestors stood, to watch the same sun rise and set over the same point over the same monument? Do you think that sullying it and its significance the day before solstice is ok? And to laugh and call them “witches”?

its not wasting time though is it? Anyone who doesn’t know/understand/confused about climate change needs educating, not belittlement.
my point stands that until people can see a direct effect on them it’s going to be difficult. How can you tell 79 year old Bob to stop driving his car because in 50 years the world will change?

No offence but deliberation over this is just deflection and wasting time. I’m on MN, it is pretty much a UK forum so I would assume many people are in a position to take some action. I think you are very much wrong about Union Island, it precisely proves the point that seemingly those with limited influence and money can do something that is very powerful in the face of climate change.

@Goldenbear your examoke of union island is great, because local people see the affect of local projects. But you can’t apply that reasoning on a global scale. When people need light and heating, they’re not worried about potential climate change.

@Goldenbear no, I’m just saying you shouldn’t write people off as climate change deniers and therefore see them as below you.

I don’t really understand your point, billions of people are worse off than me and they don’t worry about climate change so I shouldn’t? The logic is lost on me. Some people who are probably not as monetarily well off as me still worry about their environment, in fact it is the action from the ‘little people’ that need to change things via our own self determination, not relying on leadership via government of it is not happening. For example, in Union Island, the locals restored the mangrove forest after it was bulldozed down to make way for a tourist resort, however the money ran out and this mess was left for the locals, through political self determination they restored it.

That’s one argument but not all historians by any means agree with that, it is not an absolute!

@Goldenbear there’s 8 billion people on the planet, probably more than 7 billion less fortunate than you and not worried about climate change….not necessarily denying

I’m not talking about you in particular, im saying in general, people dissociate

How do you know it won’t impact me, do you know me? This is the denial I’m talking about- in all honesty it is completely irrational.

Well, many would certainly argue that it was the support of women during the First World War that was the primary factor in women gaining the vote, not the suffragette’s earlier militancy. The suffragists felt the suffragette’s violence only worsened the chances of female suffrage, so it’s not as if all thought it was helpful. Both the major suffrage movements called off action when war was declared and dedicated themselves to the war effort in auxilary roles. This was cited by politicians, even in 1918, as justification for women’s enfranchisement.
The suffragette’s militancy was off-putting to many.

Just as the actions of Just Stop Oil are off-putting to many.

It’s not your cause it’s ifs not going to affect you

Sorry don’t know what your short reply means.

Who the fuck is Lord what not and why are we listening to him again- he sounds very, very important…

Not in your lifetime

Yes, I mean if you inhabit the earth, surely climate change is your ‘cause’ unless of course you inhabit the mindset of the climate change deniers, in which case there is really no point in trying to engage!

@Gruffling how many people will suffer if you turn off their supply of power tomorrow

Yabu - global warming is already killing people in third world countries and is going to cause horrendous suffering in years to come.

They are not hurting anyone. There will be no one alive to see Stonehenge in 100 years if we don't act collectively to reduce carbon emissions globally.

a bit ott to call them terrorists!

not fully sold on their methods but I think we can't afford to stick our fingers in our ears and sing lalalala while our planet is destroyed.

Not a big deal re damage and an important message to deliver. I think they're smart and brave with these non-damaging but headline-grabbing tactics.

Everyone needs make judgments on causes that they don't have the time or expertise to evaluate robustly.

One of the heuristics I think people use is: "do I keep hearing about this because it's real and serious, or because it's a fad or a hobby horse for some group?"

If XR makes the latter explanation more convincing, it could well lead rational people to be less convinced by the cause.

A parallel:

Why do I keep hearing about trans genocide? It is because there's a genocide of trans people or because there is a noisy group of slightly lunatic obsessives pushing that line?

If there are no lunatic obsessives to be seen, the former looks relatively more plausible, if there are, the latter.

I have never found orange cornflour terrifying, so I do not regard them as terrorists. They do not strike fear into my heart.

They are environmental vandals. I'm sure Wiltshire police will arrest them, inconvenience them, charge them and then bail them. The security services will already have them on radar, lest they try to glue themselves to the M25 in rush hour.

I can't get too worked up about them really.

In addition to being disrespectful to all the people who have been murdered, tortured and oppressed by the Taliban, this is a false comparison. The Taliban completely destroy objects of beauty, because they want the people to live in joyless servitude. They don't throw cornflour on things to make a point. It's an idiotic way of making the point, but that comparison is even sillier.

To get people to realise and be persuaded by their message you don’t go and vandalise something people hold dear , it closes people’s minds to what they have to say. They are preaching to the unconverted remember- so the world maybe burning but that message won’t get through if you vandalise what people hold dear above the future of Earth before you’ve converted them .