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If you knew the Greens would win in your seat you'd vote for them

210 replies

SlothOnARope · 19/06/2024 11:07

In other words, people don't vote Green mainly because they think they have no chance.

Their manifesto on Education seems to correspond with a lot of views on mumsnet, aibu?

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ilovesooty · 19/06/2024 12:03

I live in a pretty safe Labour seat with a sitting MP I respect.

If I lived elsewhere I'd certainly consider it.

PeonySeasons · 19/06/2024 12:02

crackofdoom · 19/06/2024 11:51

I don't see that as being wildly unachievable. On a windy day wind's share of the total energy generation mix can easily reach the high 60s percent as it is.

In the last year wind power has accounted doen32.3% of the total power used for the UK - you can see live figures here:
https://grid.iamkate.com/

To reach 70% you're talking about having to increase wind farms by over twice the number we have now. It's currently increasing at a rate of single figures per year. They need to acquire the land, the planning permission and so on on an exponential scale. In Cornwall there are HUGE objections to them going up in beautiful areas or our at sea and I gather this is replicated nationally.

https://renews.biz/92211/uk-wind-generation-hits-record-levels/

National Grid: Live

Shows the live status of Great Britain’s electric power transmission network

https://grid.iamkate.com

maddening · 19/06/2024 12:01

I don't agree with most of their policies so no I would not vote for them.

whosaidtha · 19/06/2024 12:01

CovertPiggery · 19/06/2024 11:23

I would, but sadly I'm stuck in a safe Tory seat. My only hope is that Reform steal enough votes from them.

There are no safe seats in this election. Rishi has been campaigning in places with a 20kmajority.
As for hoping reform win seats it would be a disaster for the county if that scumbag Nigel Farage was leading the opposition.

Abouttimeforanamechange · 19/06/2024 12:01

.....my local candidate, who is really excellent on local issues and that is what matters to me.

General elections aren't about local issues. The elected government needs to have policies on national and international affairs. What are the Green party's policies on the Middle East or aid for Ukraine or the Commonwealth?

JurassicClark · 19/06/2024 12:00

I would vote for them if it would keep out a Tory MP as their policies are worse overall, but I lost faith in them despite being a member of the Greens for some years.

SlothOnARope · 19/06/2024 12:00

Serriadh · 19/06/2024 11:56

Exactly the opposite for me, OP. I’d be happy to give the Greens a “protest” vote in an otherwise safe seat so show I’d like environmental issues to be higher on the political agenda. But I wouldn’t if there was the slightest chance they’d end up in power. They are a basket case nationally and I disagree strongly with their stance on nuclear power. Party discipline is poor so there are even more loonies than the mainstream parties. And like the Lib Dems, individual candidates can be great on ‘local issues’ but none of that adds up nationally (or sometimes even aligns with their national policy).

It’s a problem with our electoral system that we aren’t really voting for someone to represent local issues, we’re voting to determine the makeup of the national government.

A protest vote is basically what I am doing. This is absolutely a safe Labour seat, and if Lab gets a rocket up its arse with a massively reduced majority, it might, just might, be held accountable for some of the damage it has done.

I live in hope that is all I can do.

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GOTBrienne · 19/06/2024 11:59

Nope. They’re idiots as well as there are a lot of floating voters but their batshit beliefs and behaviour in Scotland has stopped them being a decent choice.

BashfulClam · 19/06/2024 11:59

Nope because the Scottish greens are women hating crackpots.

GasPanic · 19/06/2024 11:58

No.

Like Reform, their manifesto is crazy and unworkable.

The greens have done a good job ensuring green issues are on the agenda with the bigger parties such as Labour and the Conservatives. But they are not a party of government.

Serriadh · 19/06/2024 11:56

Exactly the opposite for me, OP. I’d be happy to give the Greens a “protest” vote in an otherwise safe seat so show I’d like environmental issues to be higher on the political agenda. But I wouldn’t if there was the slightest chance they’d end up in power. They are a basket case nationally and I disagree strongly with their stance on nuclear power. Party discipline is poor so there are even more loonies than the mainstream parties. And like the Lib Dems, individual candidates can be great on ‘local issues’ but none of that adds up nationally (or sometimes even aligns with their national policy).

It’s a problem with our electoral system that we aren’t really voting for someone to represent local issues, we’re voting to determine the makeup of the national government.

PeonySeasons · 19/06/2024 11:55

SlothOnARope · 19/06/2024 11:45

Why is investing in education, abolishing Ofsted and abolishing tuition fees crap?

Have you actually read the manifesto in full? Do you agree with it all? If so, vote for them. If not, review the other manifestos for all candidates standing in your area and get a broader perspective of what's being proposed by all of them.

pigsDOfly · 19/06/2024 11:55

Not in a million years would I vote for the Green Party.

There's a very good reason they have no chance a winning any seats, apart from the one in Brighton.

CocoapuffPuff · 19/06/2024 11:54

SlothOnARope · 19/06/2024 11:51

No CocoapuffPuff, I am between a rock and a hard place. You can't have it all and I don't want to not vote, so I have to pick my policies and decide what's most important. With 3DC, for me, that's education.

Where I am, the Labour party is atrocious and the corruption is just eyewatering.

Oh I understand that.

I have nobody to vote for. A century after women got the vote, it has successfully been stolen from me by parties who will reduce my mere existance to a feeling in a man's head.

NotAllowed · 19/06/2024 11:53

Silviasilvertoes · 19/06/2024 11:50

Donald, is that you?

Sorry I just don’t want to be taxed for merely existing. It’s a scam designed to frighten people into submission so more liberties can be taken from us. Geo-engineering and weather manipulation done BY our governments on the other hand. I’m all for environmentalism and protecting ecosystems. I’m just not buying the “climate change is all our fault” garbage.

tobee · 19/06/2024 11:53

I thought it was the other way around. That people voted for them in the full knowledge that they wouldn't get in. But they could feel good about themselves and virtue signal.

FranticHare · 19/06/2024 11:51

SlothOnARope · 19/06/2024 11:45

Why is investing in education, abolishing Ofsted and abolishing tuition fees crap?

As 3 standalone items, that's great. And as they are never going to get near power at Westminster, really easy to promise! Reform have also got a couple of good slogans. Even UKIP will have an idea somewhere that I might agree on. But the parties overall? Not a chance will they get my vote! I would probably prefer another 4 years of Conservatives - and I def don't want that either!

They are absolute loons unfortunately.

SlothOnARope · 19/06/2024 11:51

No CocoapuffPuff, I am between a rock and a hard place. You can't have it all and I don't want to not vote, so I have to pick my policies and decide what's most important. With 3DC, for me, that's education.

Where I am, the Labour party is atrocious and the corruption is just eyewatering.

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crackofdoom · 19/06/2024 11:51

PeonySeasons · 19/06/2024 11:35

Absolutely no chance.

Forcing women to go through vaginal birth by denying them a cesarean section is a weird platform for any party.

See also: men are not women and gaslighting us doesn't make it true.

And fantasy promises like 70% of all UK electricity to come from wind power by 2030 are just horseshit. Why lie?

I don't see that as being wildly unachievable. On a windy day wind's share of the total energy generation mix can easily reach the high 60s percent as it is.

AnneLovesGilbert · 19/06/2024 11:50

Absolutely not. If I thought they’d get in I’d probably move. Most of them are certifiable.

Silviasilvertoes · 19/06/2024 11:50

NotAllowed · 19/06/2024 11:49

Never in a million years. Climate change is a hoax and liberalism degrades society.

Donald, is that you?

NotAllowed · 19/06/2024 11:49

Never in a million years. Climate change is a hoax and liberalism degrades society.

Silviasilvertoes · 19/06/2024 11:48

But I also used to work in government and these days my attitude is very much a plague on all your houses.

stressedespresso · 19/06/2024 11:48

SlothOnARope · 19/06/2024 11:45

Why is investing in education, abolishing Ofsted and abolishing tuition fees crap?

Why is wanting to force women into natural births acceptable?

CocoapuffPuff · 19/06/2024 11:48

SlothOnARope · 19/06/2024 11:42

This is all really depressing and doesn't at all fit the description of my local candidate, who is really excellent on local issues and that is what matters to me.

Just reinforces my belief that voting needs to be about policies, not parties and identities, and that this current system we have is absolutely hopeless.

I'll be meeting my local group tomorrow, if they are as batshit as everyone suggests then I really want to just go and live in a cave somewhere.

You must have been in a cave already to not know all this stuff. Seriously, how haven't you even noticed? Your candidate may indeed be amazing but overall, the Greens are pure lunatics.