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Can I be blocked from private school now?

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greenak · 18/06/2024 18:07

Wondering if I put DS’s dad on the birth certificate, could he stop me sending him to private school? I am resident parent. I realise he can try for 50-50 but I accept that. I just don’t want him to force ds into a state system. I have the funds to pay the fees but me and ex have very different political views and I know he wouldn’t choose it. Can he stop me?

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Hooper56 · 19/06/2024 20:45

Can you not start him at private school while he has no official parent responsibilities and then he can gain it , but by which point he will be started already and therefore unlikely he will get pulled out ?

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 19/06/2024 14:48

You could also ask for a mediation session to discuss the birth certificate and schooling and part of your conditions for him going on birth certificate (without an expensive fight) can be

  • he will be open to private school if it's a good one and you pay two terms fees up front (so he can see if you don't and then hand in a terms notice)
  • he doesn't make your life difficult with planning holidays with your child
Unexpectedlysinglemum · 19/06/2024 14:43

Cleavagecleavagecleavage · 18/06/2024 19:06

Does the school have a nursery class? Has he got PR yet? Your best bet would be to get the child in ASAP - a judge is much less likely to remove a child that is already there, without a bloody good reason. Dad’s Ideological opposition to them isn’t a good reason because the welfare of the child comes before it.

Yes

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 19/06/2024 14:42

Merryoldgoat · 18/06/2024 18:49

I work in a private school with some exposure to admissions.

We require all those with parental responsibility to sign the admissions forms and are jointly and severally responsible for the fees.

Our terms and conditions are standard across the sector.

Therefore he could indeed stop you from sending your child to private school if he was on the birth certificate.

Really? This is shocking. So many parents have PR but aren't involved and wouldn't sign. What a shame that those kids miss out

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 19/06/2024 14:41

He can apply for whatever he wants but he needs to be able to prove it's in the best interest of the child.

It's hard that he could argue your closest state school is better than a great private school and would be pay for lawyers to die on that hill?
You could go to mediation first to listen to him - perhaps he feels strongly he wants to expose his child to a range of cultures and social classes - there are other ways he can do this.
By the time he got to court you might already have no applied to your local state school and missed the admissions deadline.

It's a really scary thing adding them to the birth certificate, I felt the same way, but there are laws to protect you.

If he did want to try for 50/50 it would need to be a very very gradual increase to this - even having him for an overnight would probably need lots of careful and gradual support.

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 19/06/2024 00:13

Why would anyone give their ex access to their own savings account? How is such foolishness compatible with being in a position to have £120k saved up? Did you win the lottery? Are the contents of this bank account simply what was left over after your first big splurge?

Just pay the school in advance, and show your ex a receipt for it, combined with a bank statement confirming you can afford the fees for the academic years after.

CountryMumof4 · 19/06/2024 00:01

For me, it'd depend on whether the schooling was on a day pupil or boarding basis. If it's the latter, I could understand a parent not feeling that's best for their child.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 18/06/2024 23:52

@greenak I wouldnt tell him till he has started. he only has the child every second week anyway

PurpleBugz · 18/06/2024 23:46

Op I think you are doing the right thing putting him on the bc as if he takes you to court for it he would succeed and then while at court could get 50/50 and try for a prohibitive steps to stop you using private school.

If he has less than 50/50 and you can manage all school runs yourself then a court will most likely side with you on school choice as you are resident parent. You do need to show it's child's best interests. To stop you he had to show it's not child's best interests which would be challenging. Possibly he could argue you may not be able to afford it long term and this would lead to a disruptive school change however you then have a large sum of money saved up to counter that argument!

I would recommend getting your kid into the school nursery if they have one as then you have the argument a school move is disruptive and child should stay where they are settled. If you don't mention school again will he actually ask you about it? I've had conversations with single parents where we moan all the school visits and choosing a school falls on us, most dads just assume mum will sort it or trust mums judgement if they do bring it up. If I signed my kid up to private school my ex would not find out till I decided to tell him after child had started maybe your ex would be similar?

Just be sure you are deciding because you think it's best for your child not because you want to do as you know ex won't like

PurpleBugz · 18/06/2024 23:37

No don't give him half the money that's ridiculously risky!!

PurpleBugz · 18/06/2024 23:36

Cleavagecleavagecleavage · 18/06/2024 19:06

Does the school have a nursery class? Has he got PR yet? Your best bet would be to get the child in ASAP - a judge is much less likely to remove a child that is already there, without a bloody good reason. Dad’s Ideological opposition to them isn’t a good reason because the welfare of the child comes before it.

This is good advice^^

Snugglemonkey · 18/06/2024 23:16

Merryoldgoat · 18/06/2024 18:49

I work in a private school with some exposure to admissions.

We require all those with parental responsibility to sign the admissions forms and are jointly and severally responsible for the fees.

Our terms and conditions are standard across the sector.

Therefore he could indeed stop you from sending your child to private school if he was on the birth certificate.

At our school, we signed a form confirming we were taking responsibility for the fees. There was a space for one signature, then another which said "2nd signature (optional)".

AngelicPeace · 18/06/2024 22:50

Addictedtohotbaths · 18/06/2024 22:42

Not how it worked for me, I signed my child up by myself.

They never asked for him to sign anything and were happy to take my bank details.

They asked for his contact info but that was it.

I asked my solicitor if I could sign up for private school and was advised to get in there first. Sign him up and it would be up to ex to find a better alternative to suit his needs and take me to court.

agree with your lawyer's advice. gave same advice here too, with further advice to pay 12 months in advance. however, op make sure dad visits and current arrangements arent severely affected. then court will likely side with you.

Addictedtohotbaths · 18/06/2024 22:42

Merryoldgoat · 18/06/2024 18:49

I work in a private school with some exposure to admissions.

We require all those with parental responsibility to sign the admissions forms and are jointly and severally responsible for the fees.

Our terms and conditions are standard across the sector.

Therefore he could indeed stop you from sending your child to private school if he was on the birth certificate.

Not how it worked for me, I signed my child up by myself.

They never asked for him to sign anything and were happy to take my bank details.

They asked for his contact info but that was it.

I asked my solicitor if I could sign up for private school and was advised to get in there first. Sign him up and it would be up to ex to find a better alternative to suit his needs and take me to court.

Itllfalloff · 18/06/2024 22:39

You don’t get to make solo decisions, and you risk going 50/50 if you try to ignore the father on major decisions like education.

Itllfalloff · 18/06/2024 22:38

Willyoujustbequiet · 18/06/2024 18:21

That's not true.

He can apply to court to challenge any educational decisions. That's his right.

Private school will not be automatically thought of as best for the child. It will hang on a variety of different factors - distance, work patterns, finances, any additional needs, family support etc....all of which would be taken into account and the judge decide accordingly. The family court is a law unto itself and you could easily get a judge on the day who is persuaded the other way.

If I was you I would try to come to an amicable agreement wherever possible and ime FC often sides with men.

This. I know someone who stopped their child going even though the ex said they would pay fees.
Wasn’t deemed in best interest of the child as. The ex was adamant that the kid go to a normal school with nursery friends in the community.
Court backed it.

greenak · 18/06/2024 22:34

Barefootsally · 18/06/2024 21:44

So you’ve gone from pondering about not having him on the BC to giving him access to over a hundred grand 🥴

Good luck and god bless OP

@Barefootsally No, I always wanted him on the bc. As I said above, he would never take the money, it would destroy his career

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greenak · 18/06/2024 22:31

Silvers11 · 18/06/2024 21:41

i think he does want what is best but wouldn’t want to be on the hook for may money as doesn’t particularly believe in the system. He earns far more than me though and I am just about managing to pay/have saved up around 120k so far. I wonder if I let him have access to the fund then he would be comfortable that he could always hypothetically meet the cost?

@greenak That would be foolhardy in the extreme, to be honest. Giving him half so that he can then pay his share - or just access to the fund is a non-starter. Neither of you could trust the other NOT to take the money for other things. Please don't so that. Should be some legal way of sorting it though. Even if it's just sending him the details of payments made - say for the following 12 months, so that he can see that payments are made and know he isn't going to be chased for the following year anyway? And if you fail to pay, well he can demand said child can be withdrawn immediately?

@Silvers11 thanks this is actually the best idea. Thank you

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AngelicPeace · 18/06/2024 22:11

op has been told to first find a school which only requires her signature. she will then take it from there.

others suggested pre-primary that feeds into private schools. all good suggestions.

if these schools are a business, they would prefer to choose a child who can stay for the duration-unless they always have a school place to spare.

my brother pays for his kids a whole year in advance and he gets 10% discount too. but mainly pays to guarantee kids' education is not interrupted. they are finishing A levels in 1 and 2 years. he has done well by keeping his commitment.

Barefootsally · 18/06/2024 22:01

Merryoldgoat · 18/06/2024 21:51

It’s not about who pays - it’s about who agrees.

The IBSA produce draft contracts and documents, many schools use them and therefore conditions are similar.

We have many parents who are divorced but both parents agree to the child being enrolled regardless of who will be paying.

In the case of estrangement we’d need proof of that but would be looked at on a case by case basis.

But where there are two parents both with parental responsibility and active involvement with the child we would not enrol a child if they were not both willing to sign the agreement.

Like you say - it’s a case by case situation.

My friend fled from DV to the other side of the country. She is the only signature of the forms as she couldn’t let him know where she was.

Barefootsally · 18/06/2024 21:58

Merryoldgoat · 18/06/2024 21:53

Plus many grandparents pay for the fees at private school and the financial contract is with them.

And again, many grandparents pay fees but the contract and liability remain with parents. Same with trusts etc.

This is a standard recommendation across the sector.

It might be a recommendation ( if you say so) but it isn’t mandatory.

PCcrisps · 18/06/2024 21:55

Having worked in state schools where parents can't co operate, I think a private school (that has a choice) would be mad to accept a child whose parents couldn't agree on their education, which I'd guess is one of the reasons most require both signatures.

Merryoldgoat · 18/06/2024 21:53

Plus many grandparents pay for the fees at private school and the financial contract is with them.

And again, many grandparents pay fees but the contract and liability remain with parents. Same with trusts etc.

This is a standard recommendation across the sector.

Merryoldgoat · 18/06/2024 21:51

Barefootsally · 18/06/2024 21:34

This isn’t true at our private school at all. I have a friend who is similar position - estranged from the father/husband and he has no input on forms or even as an emergency contact. In fact I know a couple of women who pay the fees with zero input from the fathers.

Why would you say that it’s across the board? Plus many grandparents pay for the fees at private school and the financial contract is with them.

OP normally there is a kindergarten attached to private schools. Get your dc in as soon as possible to establish friendship groups, support networks and routine.

No judge is gonna pull a child out of a school they are happy settled and thriving in because there dad doesn’t like private schools

It’s not about who pays - it’s about who agrees.

The IBSA produce draft contracts and documents, many schools use them and therefore conditions are similar.

We have many parents who are divorced but both parents agree to the child being enrolled regardless of who will be paying.

In the case of estrangement we’d need proof of that but would be looked at on a case by case basis.

But where there are two parents both with parental responsibility and active involvement with the child we would not enrol a child if they were not both willing to sign the agreement.

Farmwifefarmlife · 18/06/2024 21:51

Under no circumstances would I give him any money. Surly you should receive child support from him? If you cover the full costs and pay upfront I don’t see why dad would have an issue or consider being liable for costs If you’ve paid.

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