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Touching a bird feather

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user19888891 · 18/06/2024 17:23

DH came home from work and I’ve had the kids all day. We’d been out in the garden and some of the toys were lying out. Almost instantly after looking out the window he says ‘I hope they weren’t playing with that feather’. To which I said ‘why?’ And he said ‘because it’s fucking disgusting’. So I said yes they had and it’s not a problem. He then said he wasn’t talking about it any further, or words to that effect, then proceeds to go out to the garden straight away to lift the feather with a bit of kitchen roll and put it in the bin. To be clear, this was a loose feather found in the garden, appears to be from a seagull. It wasn’t from a carcass or roadkill etc.
I really don’t see this issue? The kids are young and like exploring and they cleaned their hands when they got in. I think his reaction is quite odd because he seemed to think I was being outrageous for allowing this to happen? Who is being unreasonable?

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Dulra · 20/06/2024 10:53

Sounds like your dh has some unresolved trauma to do with bird feathers

PrincessTeaSet · 20/06/2024 10:51

CJ0374 · 18/06/2024 17:31

I agree that we have all likely picked up feathers as children, but with modern knowledge, I wouldn't think its a good thing at all. How old are the children? Could they have licked their hands, put their hand in their hair before they were washed? I'd be concerned about mites or bird flu. How do you know the feather wasn't from a diseased bird?

The virus that causes bird flu can stay infectious in faeces, carcases and feathers for around 50 days
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/bird-flu-avian-influenza-housing-your-birds-safely#:~:text=Your%20outdoor%20area%20may%20be,feathers%20for%20around%2050%20days.

Edited

Bird flu isn't normally transmissible to people. The link you posted is about protecting chickens from bird flu, not children.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 20/06/2024 10:48

I work in gardens and woodland and bring all sorts home. Part of the house are like a Natural History Museum. There are feathers, bones, skulls, various teeth, an antler, horns, bits of wood, fossils, shells, rocks, seed pods and other bits of plant matter, owl pellets, plus a dried out crayfish I found in a climbing rose and various bits of human made debris picked up out of the soil. None of it has had any effect on my health, except maybe my mental health because picking things up to examine and learn about pleases me very much.

toomanytonotice · 20/06/2024 10:26

stayathomer · 18/06/2024 17:26

Is this a man thing? Because my dad always said the same and dh said it once too. We used to definitely pick up bird feathers we found and as you said we’d have washed our hands afterwards but both would go on about diseases

Yep

3 men once said something about bird feathers.

therefore all men think this way.

Wannabegreenfingers · 20/06/2024 10:24

My ex husband was equally as bat shit over bird feathers.

CovertPiggery · 20/06/2024 10:19

G123456789 · 19/06/2024 21:00

Sadly Gladys died not long after...we have had 4 more rescues since. Milly, Molly, Maggie and Ethel. They all have died Maggie 3 weeks ago. I always shock the vets when it's time for them to be put to sleep...a 6ft 2, 15 stone man crying his eyes out.
We give them old lady names as they remind me of the little old ladies I grew up around, all russley shirts, flapping and settling their false teeth.

We aren't going to have any more for a couple of years as I can't stand it when they go. The caged egg industry is so cruel, but we give them weeks, months and hopefully year's with the rain and the sun, places to scratch and treats to eat.

Oh no, I'm so sorry for your losses. It really is the hardest part of having animal companions 💐

It sounds like you gave them wonderful lives and I'm glad they found their way to you x

BrokenWing · 19/06/2024 21:04

His attitude is more disgusting than the feather.

G123456789 · 19/06/2024 21:00

CovertPiggery · 19/06/2024 11:27

Or did you and Gladys is now typing this with her beak to cover up the true danger of feathers 🐔

Ps: I love your chickens' names!

Sadly Gladys died not long after...we have had 4 more rescues since. Milly, Molly, Maggie and Ethel. They all have died Maggie 3 weeks ago. I always shock the vets when it's time for them to be put to sleep...a 6ft 2, 15 stone man crying his eyes out.
We give them old lady names as they remind me of the little old ladies I grew up around, all russley shirts, flapping and settling their false teeth.

We aren't going to have any more for a couple of years as I can't stand it when they go. The caged egg industry is so cruel, but we give them weeks, months and hopefully year's with the rain and the sun, places to scratch and treats to eat.

Hedgesfullofbirds · 19/06/2024 17:38

@CJ0374 - and how many recorded cases of rabies occur in the UK each year, either from contact with bats or from any other source? Yes, of course I am aware of the guidance on the link you posted, but that is cautionary, advisory and not because there is a real or significant risk. As I said before, you are at equal, if not greater, risk of contracting a zoontic illness from domestic pets - cat bites are notoriously likely to become infected and all those who allow dogs to lick their hands, or worse still, their faces, are just inviting nematode infestations!

But, above all, you are far more likely to suffer disease, illness or ill health as a result of contact with other humans than any other living creature or animal derived organic matter or body tissue. Sobering, isn't it?

aliasname · 19/06/2024 14:16

Having had a bird mite infestation [grim] I am wary of anything to do with birds, but as long as the kids are old enough to know not to put feathers in their mouths etc I think it’s fine - just wash hands afterwards.

Babyboomtastic · 19/06/2024 13:44

On an average trip out we sometimes collect enough to reconstruct a whole bird. No one has died yet.

CJ0374 · 19/06/2024 13:40

@Hedgesfullofbirds I'd suggest you educate yourself before giving out false advice! UK bats HAVE been found to have lyssavirus. If you are bitten or have contact with their saliva, you will had a risk assessment and likely need a full course of post-exposure rabies vaccines!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rabies-risks-from-bat-bites/information-for-individuals-who-have-been-bitten-by-a-bat

If you find a dead bat, cat drags it inside etc its recommended you send the bat off for testing. The UK DO get bats testing positive!
https://www.bats.org.uk/advice/found-a-dead-bat/testing-dead-bats

Information for individuals who have been bitten by a bat

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rabies-risks-from-bat-bites/information-for-individuals-who-have-been-bitten-by-a-bat

GeneralMusings · 19/06/2024 13:19

I think it's a false dichotomy that suggests if you don't pick up feathers you douse in bleach and have a sterile home.

We're "outdoorsy" and the kids grew up on the beach, camping, outdoors etc. We had favourite sticks and favourite stones and knew to wash hands when we came in.

But I wouldn't have liked them picking up feathers or touching dead animals and as above been bird rescue places will say this...

CovertPiggery · 19/06/2024 11:27

G123456789 · 18/06/2024 18:06

Ive kept pet chickens for 25 years, some have come in the house shock, horror. During the beast from the east, Gladys perched on my legs when I sat in my recliner, Hilda on my wife's and Queeny sat on the arm of her chair

Spoiler alert, we didn't die

Or did you and Gladys is now typing this with her beak to cover up the true danger of feathers 🐔

Ps: I love your chickens' names!

WolfFoxHare · 19/06/2024 11:25

We’re in an area where avian flu has been found in the wild bird population so I’d avoid touching feathers at the moment. I think his reaction was a bit much though.

MonsteraMama · 19/06/2024 11:23

My daughter collected feathers as a little girl and made a really nice scrap book out of them. Still remember how absolutely honoured and excited she was when we met a peacock on a day trip and it ruffled it's tail and dropped a feather. Pride of her collection. She's 16 now and still has it! And will still pick up a particularly pretty feather if she finds one. She'd think I was absolutely mental if I tried to stop her on the extraordinarily slim chance she get bird flu.

Very weird world we live in now where everything must be sterile and spotless and stinking of zoflora. Glad I grew up on a farm where getting filthy was heavily encouraged.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 19/06/2024 10:43

We have loads of feathers picked up on walks - magpie, crow, jay, swan, pigeon, woodpecker, pheasant, unidentifiable.... DS knows to keep his hands away from his face and to wash his hands thoroughly when he gets in.

It's not something I worry about, and I'm usually very good at worrying.

Hedgesfullofbirds · 19/06/2024 10:36

@iknke45, not this old moonshine about bats being carriers of rabies - very, very rarely and not in the UK, just stupid scaremonngering put out by those who wish to villify bats and give them a bad press - since most bat species are insectivorous or frugiverous how on earth can they be vectors for rabies? And they do not go around biting humans. Not in real life anyway. You have more chance of contracting bubonic or pneumonic plague from guinea pigs which can and do carry Yersinia pestis bacteria...

C1N1C · 19/06/2024 10:07

Unless it's flying at you at the other end of a pointy stick, you're fine :)

iknke45 · 19/06/2024 10:02

Hedgesfullofbirds · 18/06/2024 18:00

Well, seems a little over the top to me! What on earth has happened to people that they are so fearful now of anything natural, you name it, spiders, ants, bats, beetles, mice, any living thing! All of which were here long before Homo sapiens, and will hopefully still be here long after we have gone. And now, ye gods, an inanimate piece of animal tissue is so 'disgusting' that a grown adult has to use a tissue to pick it up and foment at the thought of diseases, bacteria and instant death, or, at the very least, serious illness.

As a child I used to love collecting natural history specimens, including bird feathers, abandoned nests, shed snake skins and animal carcasses which I would bury and allow to decompose or boil to remove the flesh in order to retrieve the skull for my collection. Still do! At the ripe old age of 60 I cannot recall ever suffering ill health or contracting a zoonotic disease from such activities. Your husband's reaction seems vastly over kill and I would actively encourage your childrens' curiosity about the natural world and all the amazing, fascinating and wonderful things with which we share it, rather than instill fear and loathing in them. Anything to encourage the younger generations to reconnect with nature.

Bats carry rabies, so no thanks. Not a pretty way to die

There's a reason why people fear them.

TonTonMacoute · 19/06/2024 08:15

Hedgesfullofbirds · 18/06/2024 18:00

Well, seems a little over the top to me! What on earth has happened to people that they are so fearful now of anything natural, you name it, spiders, ants, bats, beetles, mice, any living thing! All of which were here long before Homo sapiens, and will hopefully still be here long after we have gone. And now, ye gods, an inanimate piece of animal tissue is so 'disgusting' that a grown adult has to use a tissue to pick it up and foment at the thought of diseases, bacteria and instant death, or, at the very least, serious illness.

As a child I used to love collecting natural history specimens, including bird feathers, abandoned nests, shed snake skins and animal carcasses which I would bury and allow to decompose or boil to remove the flesh in order to retrieve the skull for my collection. Still do! At the ripe old age of 60 I cannot recall ever suffering ill health or contracting a zoonotic disease from such activities. Your husband's reaction seems vastly over kill and I would actively encourage your childrens' curiosity about the natural world and all the amazing, fascinating and wonderful things with which we share it, rather than instill fear and loathing in them. Anything to encourage the younger generations to reconnect with nature.

This

Koko83 · 19/06/2024 08:10

I called to get a bird rescued the other day and they said not to touch the bird and if I already had to go right away to wash hands and arms because avian bird flu is rife at the moment. Even the call waiting before with all the options talked about the bird flu.

does DH know this? I wasnt going to touch the bird anyway, but if I hadn’t know about the recent outbreak I wouldn’t have bothered about a feather but will think differently now but I don’t know if it is still present on random feathers?

RockahulaRocks · 19/06/2024 08:02

I have two feathers in my pocket right now which DD has picked up during a walk and wanted someone responsible to hold her treasure for her. I’ve touched them a couple of times today getting keys, passes out etc, and I’m OK with that, the risk of catching anything from a single moulted feather is minuscule

ForGreyKoala · 19/06/2024 06:09

I once fell in a duck pond, right under the water. Got out, carried on with my day - no after effects whatsoever. I frequently pick up feathers/birds left behind my cats kills, and no, I don't use a paper towel or rush to wash my hands.

Your DH is ridiculous - as are some of the posts on this thread!

Areolaborealis · 19/06/2024 05:17

OneTC · 18/06/2024 18:33

What do you no touchy lot do if you find an injured one?

We were at the beach last summer where dead birds were dealt with by two people in full hazmat suits and an official taking notes with a clip board.

Bird flu aside, I've seen birds in plenty of unsanitary situations - scavenging in rubbish bins, peking at dead rodents, picking chunks from a puddle of vomit.

I'm with your husband on this.