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Pupil putting all the responsibility on me to gain good grades

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Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 11:13

Can anyone offer me any perspective/help with this?

I do part time tutoring and help a 12 year old girl with her maths. She very poor and really struggles. She’s told me that her teacher at school is a good teacher, but even though she asks for help a lot, he tends to ignore her hand up and go to others. She always asks to stay after the lesson for help, but told me she still doesn’t understand it.
When we go through things slowly together, she does end up understanding, but it feels like I’m teaching every concept from scratch.
She has tests at the end of each term and there are often up to twelve topics to cover within a few weeks -5-6 hours.
She did manage to get a C last time, but in the most recent test, she got an E. Comments she’s made feel like she’s expecting to get an A and it’s all my responsibility to get her to that, is this fair? When she showed me the E, she seemed angry at me
I can see without my help, she basically wouldn’t understand anything and these few lessons do make a big difference, however it’s very hard to teach her completely from scratch.
Should all the responsibility be on me?
With the other subjects we focus on, she now gets A’s & B’s in her tests.

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JawJaw · 18/06/2024 15:32

Sorry, but I think the biggest issue here is you OP. I say this from the perspective of a teacher trainer. Before anyone starts teaching they need to develop a realistic attitude and a set of boundaries. Asking a group of strangers on a forum if we think you are responsible for this pupil’s situation suggests you need to work on how you see yourself and how you position yourself in relation to your pupils. And that is actually the core of teacher professionalism.

As a teacher you need to do what you can to make sure a pupil learns and it goes without saying that you should care. But often things won’t work out according to expectations. You need to have realistic expectations and it’s up to you to make sure that your pupils and parents do too. Some people don’t get there, or at least not in the time you have. This is not your fault. You need to develop a much more robust understanding of this. Not just for your own protection but to protect your pupils from frustration and disappointment.

Testina · 18/06/2024 15:22

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 15:18

@Testina I defended the teacher to her

But you haven’t just repeated what she says here - you’ve given that as your own opinion, that the teacher is avoiding her.
Of course there are plenty of poor teachers out there… but if you took what she no doubt says about you as the truth, you’d be one of them!

Testina · 18/06/2024 15:19

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 14:45

@Summerose Possibly, she said she likes the teacher, but that she always puts her hand up and he’s sees her but goes to someone else. She also said she stays back most days to have it explained to her and still doesn’t understand and that she thinks he tries not to get angry at her as she never understands. I’m wondering why he hasn’t mentioned it to the parents or suggested assessment too

Probably because she’s playing you.
The teacher can’t go to her instead of others every time she has her hand up.
Just like it’s your fault, it’s also his fault.
You know that he’ll be saying things to her just the same as you do, that she’s ignoring.
She’s got tutoring laid on with you, but picks and chooses if she can be bothered. How do you know what efforts and supports he’s given her than she hasn’t bothered with?

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 15:18

@Testina I defended the teacher to her

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Testina · 18/06/2024 15:13

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 11:17

@TeenDivided They’re not in a set at school, it sounds like to me, the teacher is avoiding her a little as she doesn’t understand anything, should all the pressure therefore be on me?

Given everything else you’ve said about this girl, that seems like quite an unfair thing for you to say about a fellow teacher.

I can imagine that she isn’t too polite about your professionalism to other people too.

You need a thicker skin - why are you letting a child (who doesn’t bother to even do all the lessons) make you feel it’s your fault?!
If you want the money, I’d repeat one line to her - I can support you, and you will find it helps, but it doesn’t mean you’ll get 100%, we don’t cover everything, and we definitely won’t cover everything if you don’t do all the sessions.

Tbh you lost me at her being rude about the cleaner.

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 15:03

@CheeseyOnionPie Ive been thinking this tbh

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CheeseyOnionPie · 18/06/2024 14:58

Can you replace the hours with another tutoring pupil? sounds like more trouble than it’s worth. The parents should be making it clear to her that her results are hers and hers alone. If she wants better results she should put in more practice.

Mathsbabe · 18/06/2024 14:52

During lockdown I gave free maths lessons every day over WhatsApp App to a weak 16year old, don't ask.
I am a mathematician and a retired academic.
We started from first principles and built up with tons of reviews. I set him daily homework for reinforcement. He was fine until I left a topic for a few days when it all disappeared. I finally pointed out to him that there were two things going on. I was teaching but he was also responsible for learning.
I stopped doing it in mid March 21when I ended up in hospital with Covid and my lovely son took it on. The lad got his maths and went to college.

Klampo · 18/06/2024 14:46

It sounds like you are in a weird place with this. Gone down a rabbit hole perhaps. A 12 year old has an opinion about your teaching and your response is to come onto MN and ask a load of adults if the child is blaming you unfairly.

I think you really need to take a big step back, stick your teacher hat more firmly on your head and move it firmly from the personal to the professional. How would you react if one of your primary class said it was your fault they'd got a low mark? Take it in the same spirit, with much thicker skin and stronger boundaries.

I get the impression that her parents and maths teacher should be talking to each other more on this, and leading it more.

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 14:45

@Summerose Possibly, she said she likes the teacher, but that she always puts her hand up and he’s sees her but goes to someone else. She also said she stays back most days to have it explained to her and still doesn’t understand and that she thinks he tries not to get angry at her as she never understands. I’m wondering why he hasn’t mentioned it to the parents or suggested assessment too

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Summerose · 18/06/2024 14:40

Could it be that she feels inadequate at Maths due to her being ignored by her teacher? Which then undermines her confidence and then results in poor performance?

A word with her in parents' presence, as PP suggested above sounds like a good plan.

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 14:38

@MoggyP Yes we always do that, she’d covered that particular area so much in the past and had to focus on other areas as we have limited time and a lot to learn as she basically doesn’t understand or retain anything from school.

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Soothsayers · 18/06/2024 14:31

I agree with the poster who suggested pre-teaching concepts ready for her to feel confident when she’s learning it in the classroom.

See if there’s a way you can speak to her maths teacher, I’m sure the teacher would appreciate it too.

Demonhunter · 18/06/2024 14:28

I'd say for going in yr 8 she is going to need a specific maths tutor, going by my yr 8 and yr 10 DC maths work. I have a degree in science and understand scientific maths (although by no means my strong point) and even I'm a bit frazzled with some of the things they cover now.

MoggyP · 18/06/2024 14:25

she said we didn’t cover X, we didn’t go over it again as it was a very simple concept and with so much to cover, I focused on the more challenging work

I think this is the crux of it.

Maths is iterative.

If you're not secure on the basic, simply concepts, then you will get unstuck with more challenging work.

She might need a separate maths tutor, who is fully familiar with secondary maths curriculum, and who will go right through from the basic concepts, spotting and fixing the gaps in the simple concepts first.

Singleandproud · 18/06/2024 14:21

If she excels at all other subjects but maths is a stumbling block where she's getting Es compared to As surely you should signpost her parents to get her assessed by an Ed psych.

Either a WISC V to see how her brain works generally and whether there's a working memory, processing speed or other issues or to specifically look into dyscalculia if it the struggles are limited to maths.

Are you teaching the correct techniques from a Secondary school POV if your training is in Primary Ed?

If she needs to practise outside of tutor sessions then Seneca do paid subscriptions if she doesn't have a account via school or even BBC bitesize for free.

She is going to blame you because she is 12, 12 year olds don't want to accept responsibility for their actions that's quite normal.

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 14:20

@Legomania Mentioned to mum last year and again she poo pooed getting assessed

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Lovetotravel123 · 18/06/2024 14:20

What a lot of people fail to acknowledge is that the teacher and tutor are just half of the whole equation. To succeed, it’s also the independent practice and revision that is needed. So, a good teacher is just the beginning and I see it as teamwork. Just because someone has a good coach doesn’t mean they will win the Olympics.

poolemoney · 18/06/2024 14:18

No, it's not down to you.

Do you have a written plan for her development? That way you can both see if she's meeting milestones and you can also add feedback on what she does well and what needs improvement. That way, she can't blame you when she gets an E.

Legomania · 18/06/2024 14:18

Presumably if maths is the outlier in terms of the pickup in her grades then there could be something else at play eg dyscalculia?

HcbSS · 18/06/2024 14:16

Private tutoring is hard OP. There is a huge culture of 'I pay therefore I expect'. No, it is not your responsibility to get her good grades. It is your responsibility to explain the concepts in a way she understands, answer her questions, set her tasks and correct them. She then has to put in the spadework.
Don't take any crap from her or her parents.

incessantpunditry · 18/06/2024 14:11

You can teach her maths until the cows come home, but you can't teach her to be more intelligent.

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 14:02

As a parent, would you expect them to be getting higher marks if you hired a tutor? Bearing in mind, there are improved results in all other areas and the information she gives about her teacher and not understanding in class

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Elieza · 18/06/2024 14:02

Could it be that she needs to a different maths class in school as she's just not getting things the first time they are taught? Or extra maths support to remain in her current class?

Seems like you're being used to plug the schools gaps for children with less math ability. For a private school that's just bad.

I've accepted I'm crap at maths but if I'd had that I might have managed in o grade in it. Or then again poss not .....🤣

Sounds like the wee soul is a (though spoiled) bag of nerves too so I'd suggest if she gets a new math tutor that if the parents afford it, you keep seeing her too afterwards or next day etc for a while to make sure she's understood him ok and gets it and isn't scared to ask questions. And that he understands what she needs too.

Caroparo52 · 18/06/2024 13:59

You need to speak honestly to the parents to manage expectations. You can't turn brass into gold

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