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Pupil putting all the responsibility on me to gain good grades

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Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 11:13

Can anyone offer me any perspective/help with this?

I do part time tutoring and help a 12 year old girl with her maths. She very poor and really struggles. She’s told me that her teacher at school is a good teacher, but even though she asks for help a lot, he tends to ignore her hand up and go to others. She always asks to stay after the lesson for help, but told me she still doesn’t understand it.
When we go through things slowly together, she does end up understanding, but it feels like I’m teaching every concept from scratch.
She has tests at the end of each term and there are often up to twelve topics to cover within a few weeks -5-6 hours.
She did manage to get a C last time, but in the most recent test, she got an E. Comments she’s made feel like she’s expecting to get an A and it’s all my responsibility to get her to that, is this fair? When she showed me the E, she seemed angry at me
I can see without my help, she basically wouldn’t understand anything and these few lessons do make a big difference, however it’s very hard to teach her completely from scratch.
Should all the responsibility be on me?
With the other subjects we focus on, she now gets A’s & B’s in her tests.

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pollymere · 19/06/2024 23:30

She clearly isn't learning what she NEEDS from the tuition in her opinion. This doesn't reflect on your ability as a tutor but more on what she actually needs tuition on. It sounds like you need to just look at WHY she's making silly mistakes rather than teaching the maths from scratch.

Kjpt140v · 19/06/2024 23:15

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 19/06/2024 22:24

@Kjpt140v Sorry?

You are a grown up so deal with it. She is a child that is disappointed, angry and possibly embarrassed by her result. She's hitting out as many children do, and you happen to be the victim on this occasion. You are a teacher for goodness sake, you should expect these sort of scenarios. You are getting paid plenty for this I expect, so stop playing the victim (child), and deal with it, or tell the parents you can no longer continue teaching her.

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 19/06/2024 22:24

@Kjpt140v Sorry?

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GrannyRose15 · 19/06/2024 22:22

You are making a rod for your own back by even engaging with the idea that it is your fault if the child doesn’t succeed. It is not. All you can do is try to help her understand the concepts she struggles with. How long do you have her for? An hour a week? It is a very short time in which to cover everything she finds challenging. Make it clear to her and her parents that you are there to help but can’t guarantee good results - that is up to the child ( and to school of course as they should be making sure the whole curriculum is covered) I have been a private tutor for over 20 years and I would never allow this sort of entitled behaviour from my pupils.

InWalksBarberalla · 19/06/2024 22:16

JawJaw · 18/06/2024 15:32

Sorry, but I think the biggest issue here is you OP. I say this from the perspective of a teacher trainer. Before anyone starts teaching they need to develop a realistic attitude and a set of boundaries. Asking a group of strangers on a forum if we think you are responsible for this pupil’s situation suggests you need to work on how you see yourself and how you position yourself in relation to your pupils. And that is actually the core of teacher professionalism.

As a teacher you need to do what you can to make sure a pupil learns and it goes without saying that you should care. But often things won’t work out according to expectations. You need to have realistic expectations and it’s up to you to make sure that your pupils and parents do too. Some people don’t get there, or at least not in the time you have. This is not your fault. You need to develop a much more robust understanding of this. Not just for your own protection but to protect your pupils from frustration and disappointment.

Agree with this.

I assumed reading the OP that you were an older teen doing your first tutoring job, not a fully qualified teacher.

ThunderQween · 19/06/2024 22:02

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 19/06/2024 21:53

@ThunderQween Why?

There'll be less pressure. Less pre-teen angst and anger to deal with

Kjpt140v · 19/06/2024 21:58

Sorry, which one is the child here?

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 19/06/2024 21:53

@ThunderQween Why?

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ThunderQween · 19/06/2024 21:06

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 12:54

@Newbutoldfather Not expecting her to be more mature than she is. She’s a nice girl but very spoilt and often decides when she wants a lesson and when she doesn’t and mum goes along with this. She’s also highly sensitive, so gets upset if I say anything she considers remotely upsetting, it’s a fine line to tread.

I think you should stick to younger kids

ThunderQween · 19/06/2024 21:01

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 11:17

@TeenDivided They’re not in a set at school, it sounds like to me, the teacher is avoiding her a little as she doesn’t understand anything, should all the pressure therefore be on me?

Of course it shouldn't. Speak to the parents.

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 19/06/2024 20:59

@Hmm1234 What do you mean?

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PorridgeEater · 19/06/2024 20:29

CheeseyOnionPie · 18/06/2024 14:58

Can you replace the hours with another tutoring pupil? sounds like more trouble than it’s worth. The parents should be making it clear to her that her results are hers and hers alone. If she wants better results she should put in more practice.

I'd think this too!
Suppose it depends how easily you can get another pupil / how much you really need the income.

Could have a trial period first so you can see if it works.

Marblessolveeverything · 19/06/2024 19:48

This may be off, but is she missing how to learn teaching? At that age my children knew what worked for them they also did exam techniques.

If she is capable of grasping the concept with you it sounds like she is missing the self motivation and study techniques. Would it be possible to speak to her mother and sketch out a plan.

Jumpers4goalposts · 19/06/2024 19:40

I think it’s an issue when people are paying for education (similar thing happens at universities) where people feel like they are paying for a grade rather and are consumers rather than paying for an opportunity to study and are learners.

Hmm1234 · 19/06/2024 19:20

‘She very poor’!? Coming from a tutor in what way

Ilovecleaning · 19/06/2024 18:23

Retired teacher here.
The dialogue should not be between you and the pupil!
It should be a regular 3 way dialogue with you, the parents and the pupil.
when she showed you the E grade and ‘seemed angry’ why didn’t you challenge her and ask her to explain her anger? An 11 year old is not in charge.
She needs to be given a realistic target. It’s ridiculous that she is expecting A for maths.
Also, you are doing homework with her which is fine but the parents need to be aware that much of your time is spent as 1-2-1 homework club.

  1. set up a meeting with parents and the pupil
  2. set up a WhatsApp group for you, the parents and the girl.
  3. report back after every lesson. So that you are not doing extra work for nothing (tutoring is hard) maybe take the last 10 minutes of each lesson and involve the girl - ‘ok ,,Sally this is what I am going to say to your parents.’
what do you think,OP? I have other ideas 😊
BloodyAdultDC · 19/06/2024 07:23

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 11:35

@Seeline I’m a qualified Primary teacher, not a maths teacher, no. I do teach her, the main work she has though is helping with her homework and with revision etc,

She needs a ks3/4 specialist tutor, in fact, she needs several - not a primary school teacher.

Even at y8 the stuff they're learning is waaaay beyond year 6 - the way each subject is taught, the progression to GCSE level. Not just Maths, but even developing how to answer more complex questions. For 4 hours a week I assume the parents are paying top whack for tutoring and if not then You're doing everyone a disservice.

Do her - and them - a favour and outline exactly what you CAN help her with (and manage everyone's expectations about outcomes), and point them in the direction of subject specialist tutors appropriate to her key stage.

It really isn't appropriate for a non-subject-specialist to be tutoring at KS3/4 and charging full price (upwards of £35ph where I am).

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 19/06/2024 07:00

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 11:19

@TeenDivided We dedicated the majority of time to maths the last few weeks and when she’s with me she understands the concepts and gets in correct. She showed me the test results paper yesterday and we went through it and she got the answers right. She made some silly mistakes, but I’m beginning to feel a bit annoyed that she seems to be attributing all her marks to me and being angry when she gains a low mark

She needs to be doing revision and practice and homework too

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 19/06/2024 07:00

innerdesign · 18/06/2024 11:19

She's 12... Have you spoken to her parents to discuss their expectations and whether you think they're realistic?

Yes you need to.
And you should pass on what she said about school so they can advocate for her.

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 22:52

@Noseybookworm I’m able to teach the work no problem

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Noseybookworm · 18/06/2024 22:48

Whendothingsstarttoimprove · 18/06/2024 11:35

@Seeline I’m a qualified Primary teacher, not a maths teacher, no. I do teach her, the main work she has though is helping with her homework and with revision etc,

It sounds like she would benefit from some extra tuition specifically in maths with a maths tutor? I would speak to her parents and explain that you're not going to be able to cover the whole maths curriculum in the hours you've got with her at the moment.

gardenmusic · 18/06/2024 21:24

Whendothingsstarttoimprove,

Could she be discalculate? Does she understand when she is with you, or not at all?
It is not as well understood as dyslexia.

Riversideandrelax · 18/06/2024 20:05

AngelsWithSilverWings · 18/06/2024 19:40

@Riversideandrelax thanks , yes I am very proud if her. Whatever her GCSE results end up being I know she has worked hard this past year and has had to overcome far more than any child should have to in life.

No matter what there will be a next step for her. I wish her luck.

AngelsWithSilverWings · 18/06/2024 19:40

@Riversideandrelax thanks , yes I am very proud if her. Whatever her GCSE results end up being I know she has worked hard this past year and has had to overcome far more than any child should have to in life.

Newbutoldfather · 18/06/2024 19:03

@Whendothingsstarttoimprove ,

‘Then this end of year test, so covering everything from the year was back down to an E, it was disappointing’.

It is really common for weaker students, with help and work, to be able to improve topic test results, but far harder to get the learning to stick for larger summative examinations.

What is popular now, and I think effective, is quiz starters revisiting former learning. If you decide to carry on with her, that might well be worth trying.

As someone who loves maths, I do find it quite depressing that people are forced to learn and take exams in maths that they don’t really understand but just learn as a series of techniques, with lots of practice. However, it is possible to get really quite weak students 6s and 7s at GCSE if they put the work in. One year later, though, 90% of it will be gone. It remains debatable whether that hoop is worth getting young people to jump through…