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To wonder whether this could be neurodiversity?

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VanillaMummy · 18/06/2024 11:10

DD is in Year 8. She’s always been quite introverted and on the edge of things socially although she does well with her work. She has a good friend from primary at another school whom she still sees lots of. Other than that though, she rarely does anything with peers out of school.

Yesterday she was telling me how overwhelming she finds the school dining hall. It’s so big with so much background noise. The tables are for 9 or 10. She says she finds it hard to focus on conversation whilst eating at the same time. She can’t keep up and so tends to zone out instead and not even try.

She struggles with unstructured time with peers generally and doesn’t like break times. She says it’s not that anyone is unpleasant to her (mostly) but she finds following a group conversation really hard. She also has difficulty bringing herself into a conversation and so gets left out a lot. She prefers situations where there’s an adult in charge to structure things, make sure everyone gets a chance, etc. After lunch she’ll often go to the library to do her homework as she finds it easier to ‘focus on just one thing’ in a quiet place, rather than go back to the classroom and just hang out with others.

She’s a bit a maths geek, although at a selective school thankfully this doesn’t’t seem to be an issue and I’m not aware that she’s ever been teased. Her interests are not very mainstream though which I don’t think helps her socially. She’s quite child-like and doesn’t really follow teen pop culture. I’m not sure whether she’s just young for her age (her older sister seemed much more mature at this point) or whether there’s more to it.

She did see the school counsellor last year (at staff’s suggestion) to try to help her become more socially integrated. If anything I think this made things worse. The counsellor just put pressure on her to make more effort to talk to people, etc. without any appreciation of the things which make this difficult for her. She ended up getting frustrated and feeling like she was failing.

I’m wondering whether there’s a better way to help her? Does it sound as if there could be neurodiversity here? If so, what do we do about it?

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Wantingtomove123 · 18/06/2024 21:47

As a previous poster said, join autistic girls network of face book (and see their website) to see if she is neurodivergent. Social skills training will just teach her to mask more and will lead to burnout if she is neurodivergent. The fact that the counselling made it worse for her could suggest she could be. Look in to this now before it all gets too much for her and she heads in to burnout (speaking from experience with my daughter).

MooonDreamer · 18/06/2024 21:46

This sounds very like me

I'm now late 30s and believe I am autistic but not diagnosed

EmeraldEmski · 18/06/2024 21:39

If your daughter does happen to be autistic, social skills training could be a really unhelpful thing for her as it can encourage masking which is a poor coping mechanism and can lead to really poor mental health.

VanillaMummy · 18/06/2024 21:22

Thanks everyone.

I guess the main thing I’m wondering is whether she could be helped to keep up with a group better. Is this what social skills training would do or is that just about things like practising making polite small talk? I don’t think she has any issues doing that. It’s much more subtle. She misses cues on when she can bring herself in. But it’s perhaps just lack of practice and/or interest rather than being wired differently. I just don’t know. Yet a diagnosis feels like a big step and I’m not sure it would be helpful to her. I don’t want to draw attention to any of this too much or let her feel like anything is wrong with her.

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EmeraldEmski · 18/06/2024 14:45

This does sound like it could be signs of autism. I didn't have a clue about it until my daughter started to experience autistic burnout at the end of year 7. This paper by the Autistic Girls Network - Keeping it all inside PDF | Autistic Girls Network - really helped me to understand how autism can present in girls. You might find it helpful - I've found the Autistic Girls Network, and their Facebook group, to be a fantastic source of information.

https://autisticgirlsnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Keeping-it-all-inside.pdf

ILoveDaysOff · 18/06/2024 13:58

She sounds soooo similar to my daughter. It's hard for you when they find school life more difficult and don't do the "normal" things with friends.

Not sure if it will be of use but my daughter was formally assessed by the NHS but did not receive diagnosis because:

  1. She showed evidence of empathy
  2. She had some eye contact
  3. Could describe things using her imagination
  4. Adapted to change ok (as long as she's told about it in advance)
PomPomChatton · 18/06/2024 11:42

There's certainly enough there to speak to the school SENCO or her GP to explore options of what to do next.

For what it's worth, your DD sounds lovely, though I can imagine school must be tough for her.

ditzzy · 18/06/2024 11:39

She sounds very much how I was at school! A maths geek, not really having close friends but equally not falling out with people; not liking big room and big situations. Preferring adults to be in charge so that I don’t have to navigate the situation without guidance.

I think just keep encouraging her to talk it through with you, perhaps encourage her to occasionally step out of her comfort zone to connect with people, but she doesn’t sound as though she’s unhappy with the situation so just keep supporting her to be authentically who she is.

I can be sociable when I need to be, but frequently wonder whether I’m masking to do so (it’s not conscious, and officially I’m completely neuro-typical).

Berga · 18/06/2024 11:36

She sounds very like I was at secondary school, and my DD. We are both neurodivergent, although I didn't find out until I was in my 40s.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 18/06/2024 11:34

I think the things about structure, needing quiet, needing an adult and being young for her age are the key things.

ND are 3 years emotionally behind NT

vincettenoir · 18/06/2024 11:32

Some of it does yes. But she might also just be an introvert who loves STEM subjects. Either way I think it’s good that she seems to be talking to you and you seem to have an open dialogue.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 18/06/2024 11:15

Sounds very nd to me.

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