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School remaining open during polling

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MrBuckler · 18/06/2024 09:27

My children attend a small, single form entry primary school that is being used as a polling station on July 4th, but the school is to remain open whilst polling is going on. The information we've had from the school is that the yr 6s will be out for the day doing a settle at the local high school, so their classroom is being used for the polling stations. There is an entry way into the school which makes it easier to access the year 6 classroom, but you can also gain access to the rest of the school via that entry way. The school is pretty open with no secure gates to stop people accessing the playground down the sides of the school, and it's not possible to block the year 6 class room off entirely independently. From the research myself and other parents have done the catchment for registered voters who will use that polling station is about 1500 people, and we've also learnt that the people sent from the council to run the polling stations won't be DBS checked. The head won't reply to any parents questions, queries, and concerns, and has so far refused to share the risk assessment. The head won't take an inset day from the end of the year because people may have booked holidays and it will mess up his attendance record.

Aibu to think that this isn't a safe situation and that the school should close? Would I be unreasonable to keep my kids off school that day? Wwyd?

I'm posting here for traffic and I've name changed as it might be outing.

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MrBuckler · 18/06/2024 13:17

TakeOnFlea · 18/06/2024 13:09

Right. And you've left your kids at that school after being tortured during PE but spend your time whining to the head via email about a complete non issue such as polling day? Bizarre.

You're right, of course hundreds of parents should try and find places for their children in other local schools 🙄. The situation was dealt with, but how much effort would it have taken for him to respond to a parents concerns? It's the same with this election. Even an acknowledgement that he was aware of the situation and dealing with it? A request for information has been made, so far I don't know of anyone who has had a response. The lack of communication is disappointing and furthers the mistrust.

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Hannahthepink · 18/06/2024 13:16

Patchworkquiche · 18/06/2024 11:55

I think it’s about time they stopped using schools for this. Use libraries, community centres , church halls or set up temp voting stands. People can vote by post as well so it’s really unecessary to use schools

Unfortunately, there are sometimes no alternatives. The area that the station needs to cover is not flexible, it must be within the specified boundary. It must also have some parking, disabled access, safe lighting, toilets for poll staff... There aren't many options!
Also, even if 99% of voters were using postal votes, they would still need to set up the polling station in exactly the same way to serve the voters that do wish to vote in person, so less demand does not change how many polling stations are needed.

MrBuckler · 18/06/2024 13:10

PCcrisps · 18/06/2024 12:54

The elections 3 weeks away. The RA probably hasn't been written yet,the head's too busy "never" responding to email. How many do you send?!

How can the head decide to remain open if he hasn't risk assessed it? We're just over two weeks from the election, parents need to know for definite if the school will be open, so he had to have completed a risk assesment before he could make that call.

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TakeOnFlea · 18/06/2024 13:09

Right. And you've left your kids at that school after being tortured during PE but spend your time whining to the head via email about a complete non issue such as polling day? Bizarre.

MrBuckler · 18/06/2024 13:07

PCcrisps · 18/06/2024 12:54

The elections 3 weeks away. The RA probably hasn't been written yet,the head's too busy "never" responding to email. How many do you send?!

Over the years that my children have attended this school I have only had to email the head a few times, and only about serious concerns. The only time I got a response was by threatening to escalate the complaint. That incident was about the use of an external company being used for the kids pe lessons where one member of staff was issuing unusual punishments for whole classes because one child was talking. One class was forced to keep their hands in the air for 10 minutes. If anyone in the class dropped their hands before the 10 minutes was up the timer was reset. By the end of it the kids had had their hand in the air for 40 minutes. No teacher was present during this and there were lots of upset kids at the end of the day. Again, parents didn't get a response from the head when emails were sent in.

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PCcrisps · 18/06/2024 12:54

The elections 3 weeks away. The RA probably hasn't been written yet,the head's too busy "never" responding to email. How many do you send?!

SpringerFall · 18/06/2024 12:49

whosaidtha · 18/06/2024 09:37

What exactly do you fear might happen? I think you being a little bit dramatic.

A little?

PCcrisps · 18/06/2024 12:46

He doesn't need to use an inset day, he's able to close for an extra day for voting of that's deemed necessary.

He's trying to help parents out by not closing for an additional day. Im sure he and hisbsraff would love it if they did close, infact hes probably alreay having to deal with disgruntled staff. Schools and heads really can't get anything right.

But if you're really worried, rather than looking for an opportunity to stir things up, keep DC at home.

KreedKafer · 18/06/2024 12:43

MrBuckler · 18/06/2024 09:27

My children attend a small, single form entry primary school that is being used as a polling station on July 4th, but the school is to remain open whilst polling is going on. The information we've had from the school is that the yr 6s will be out for the day doing a settle at the local high school, so their classroom is being used for the polling stations. There is an entry way into the school which makes it easier to access the year 6 classroom, but you can also gain access to the rest of the school via that entry way. The school is pretty open with no secure gates to stop people accessing the playground down the sides of the school, and it's not possible to block the year 6 class room off entirely independently. From the research myself and other parents have done the catchment for registered voters who will use that polling station is about 1500 people, and we've also learnt that the people sent from the council to run the polling stations won't be DBS checked. The head won't reply to any parents questions, queries, and concerns, and has so far refused to share the risk assessment. The head won't take an inset day from the end of the year because people may have booked holidays and it will mess up his attendance record.

Aibu to think that this isn't a safe situation and that the school should close? Would I be unreasonable to keep my kids off school that day? Wwyd?

I'm posting here for traffic and I've name changed as it might be outing.

the people sent from the council to run the polling stations won't be DBS checked

Of course they won't, because they won't have any unsupervised contact with the kids.

OP, none of this is going to pose any kind of risk to your child.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/06/2024 12:40

I would have had the same worries as you, OP. Gently, I would have been over-reacting too.

Has the school been used for this purpose before? Presumably, all was well.

Topofthemountain · 18/06/2024 12:38

Thegoodtomatosauce · 18/06/2024 12:32

I've been a poll clerk in a school that has remained otherwise open. The voters will have to go in an entrance and exit that keeps them separate from the children. I had to request for the caretaker or a member of school staff to walk me to the staff toilets every time I needed the bathroom or kitchen facilities whilst the school was open. One things councils do well and are very experienced at is running elections and they would not be using this school if they had not done the relevant checks and made sure pupils and voters are kept apart. You honestly do not need to worry.

Precisely. They have been running elections in primary schools pretty much forever. If the council did not think the school could remain open then they would be closed.

HolyMoly24 · 18/06/2024 12:37

Of course they have also added an inset day the following day!

HolyMoly24 · 18/06/2024 12:35

My daughters Primary School is used as a polling station and they have made the decision to move to home learning that day due to the safeguarding risk.

As a HS officer I'm also inclined to think children should not be in school that day.

DappledThings · 18/06/2024 12:34

You're being daft. Much more sensible than closing for the day and inconveniencing hundreds of working parents.

Topofthemountain · 18/06/2024 12:34

My previous address the local polling station was the primary school. It was either in a hall or a little room. Both had direct access from outside and there was no access to the rest of the school.

OP you are overthinking this.

Thegoodtomatosauce · 18/06/2024 12:32

I've been a poll clerk in a school that has remained otherwise open. The voters will have to go in an entrance and exit that keeps them separate from the children. I had to request for the caretaker or a member of school staff to walk me to the staff toilets every time I needed the bathroom or kitchen facilities whilst the school was open. One things councils do well and are very experienced at is running elections and they would not be using this school if they had not done the relevant checks and made sure pupils and voters are kept apart. You honestly do not need to worry.

SJC2015 · 18/06/2024 12:31

Honestly I think you are overthinking it.
My DS school has been used for local elections recently. They relocated students that needed to be (breakfast club and afterschool club) and locked interlinking doors (changing fire escape routes where needed temporarily). Staff manned the areas that needed to be watched at all time. It was all fine and noone really noticed a different and everyone was safe.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 18/06/2024 12:31

MrBuckler · 18/06/2024 11:53

Unfortunately I don't trust the head teacher. He doesn't respond to emails, or queries and even though the risk assesment has been asked for, it hasn't been shared. We've had to look into it ourselves because we have had no response to requests for information from the school.

It's not the same thing as parents evening where either the kids aren't present, or they are under the care and supervision of their own parents. Same with summer fairs, they are with their own parents. This school has form for slap dash safeguarding. Earlier this year they released a 5 year old child at the end of the day when there was no parent there to collect them, and the child set off for home only accompanied by an 8 year old older sibling. Sadly this does create a lack of trust in the school, and I don't have any faith that they will properly safeguard the kids.

You've made some good points here though and given me things to think about, so thanks for that.

The only thing I'd like to add is, demand a F2F appointment and demand to see the risk assessment

Good luck!!

IBelieveInFerries · 18/06/2024 12:31

From your update, it seems there may be some 'activist parents' at your school. I would try and think broader and consider there may be another quieter group of parents are grateful that they don't need to book time off work, there might be other parents who are pleased their kids can access a free school lunch, SEN parents who are pleased their kids routines are beung maintained etc.

If you truly don't have trust in school, have a look around for another one.

My approach to managing the relationship with the school is that I don't get involved in any politics and anything that doesn't directly affect my child. IE I choose my battles.

This works for me. My child has SEN, and there are certain times it has been helpful to have the school on my side. I don't know if I would have achieved this if I had been emailing head teachers asking for risk assessments.

Funkyslippers · 18/06/2024 12:26

My kids from the age of around 9 tended to wander around the school fayres with their friends. I never for one minute thought they were in any danger. I was there too but was ditched from pretty much the moment we arrived!

TorroFerney · 18/06/2024 12:21

My daughters primary school (she is at secondary now) is the village polling station and always remained open. It's interesting how different people react to that, husband and I thought it was excellent that it stayed open meaning children were not missing a day of school. You may want to reflect op that there will be children for whom being in school on that day with what you consider risks is a lot less risky than being left at home with their "caregivers".

PuttingDownRoots · 18/06/2024 11:58

If you mistrust the school so much, why do you still send your children there? Its illogical.

Patchworkquiche · 18/06/2024 11:55

I think it’s about time they stopped using schools for this. Use libraries, community centres , church halls or set up temp voting stands. People can vote by post as well so it’s really unecessary to use schools

AgentProvocateur · 18/06/2024 11:54

What do you think might happen? It’s only in recent years (since Dunblane?) that schools have become fortresses.

MrBuckler · 18/06/2024 11:53

Unfortunately I don't trust the head teacher. He doesn't respond to emails, or queries and even though the risk assesment has been asked for, it hasn't been shared. We've had to look into it ourselves because we have had no response to requests for information from the school.

It's not the same thing as parents evening where either the kids aren't present, or they are under the care and supervision of their own parents. Same with summer fairs, they are with their own parents. This school has form for slap dash safeguarding. Earlier this year they released a 5 year old child at the end of the day when there was no parent there to collect them, and the child set off for home only accompanied by an 8 year old older sibling. Sadly this does create a lack of trust in the school, and I don't have any faith that they will properly safeguard the kids.

You've made some good points here though and given me things to think about, so thanks for that.

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