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School remaining open during polling

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MrBuckler · 18/06/2024 09:27

My children attend a small, single form entry primary school that is being used as a polling station on July 4th, but the school is to remain open whilst polling is going on. The information we've had from the school is that the yr 6s will be out for the day doing a settle at the local high school, so their classroom is being used for the polling stations. There is an entry way into the school which makes it easier to access the year 6 classroom, but you can also gain access to the rest of the school via that entry way. The school is pretty open with no secure gates to stop people accessing the playground down the sides of the school, and it's not possible to block the year 6 class room off entirely independently. From the research myself and other parents have done the catchment for registered voters who will use that polling station is about 1500 people, and we've also learnt that the people sent from the council to run the polling stations won't be DBS checked. The head won't reply to any parents questions, queries, and concerns, and has so far refused to share the risk assessment. The head won't take an inset day from the end of the year because people may have booked holidays and it will mess up his attendance record.

Aibu to think that this isn't a safe situation and that the school should close? Would I be unreasonable to keep my kids off school that day? Wwyd?

I'm posting here for traffic and I've name changed as it might be outing.

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BrigadierEtienneGerard · 19/06/2024 09:36

Every school I ever attended (1970s) was a polling station.

None of them ever closed on election day. The hall and part of the playground were ruled out-of-bounds and school continued as normal.

For some reason in the 1990s this stopped and schools started closing.

YABU.

Beachballplayer · 19/06/2024 09:25

Mumofoneandone · 18/06/2024 21:39

Sadly, it's s a total unknown. However, considering the usual strict security about people visiting school premises, the lack of reassurance from the head as to how safeguarding can be safely maintained under these circumstances is of concern.

But the year 6's are going to be out.

StripyHorse · 18/06/2024 22:33

I have worked in a primary school on polling day. The school hall was out of bounds to pupils, the corridor (and classrooms beyond) were blocked off for voters / polling staff. In that school it was fine.

However, if you don't trust that the school can keep your child safe that day, then of course you WNBU to keep them at home.

Mumofoneandone · 18/06/2024 21:39

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 18/06/2024 21:21

What do you think might happen?

Sadly, it's s a total unknown. However, considering the usual strict security about people visiting school premises, the lack of reassurance from the head as to how safeguarding can be safely maintained under these circumstances is of concern.

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 18/06/2024 21:21

Mumofoneandone · 18/06/2024 21:19

I would keep my children off in these conditions - know an ex head and they would close the school under these circumstances!

What do you think might happen?

Mumofoneandone · 18/06/2024 21:19

I would keep my children off in these conditions - know an ex head and they would close the school under these circumstances!

Peonies12 · 18/06/2024 20:34

Anothernamechane · 18/06/2024 09:43

Have you ever been to a parents evening? Or a school play?

This! You’re massively overreacting. Please don’t pass this irrational fear to your child.

Gakpo · 18/06/2024 20:31

Impossible to say without knowing the precise arrangements but doesn’t sound like something that would bother me. What do you think will happen?

Paperthin · 18/06/2024 20:11

Having had two DC having to have days off for every polling days for xx years ( god knows how many) for every election going I applaud your HT.
As l was working full time I had to take leave every single time when it was just not necessary. There is no need to use schools anyway in my opinion ( use the village or church hall !) but if they have to then your HT has taken the best approach.

Longma · 18/06/2024 19:09

Oh ours will close and add an inset day on to that. Really disruptive

Well, the inset day will be part of the normal 5 schools have. They can't add an extra one on.
They may have moved it I guess.

Hateam · 18/06/2024 14:54

Hateam · 18/06/2024 14:46

Christ, who'd a teacher..

...be a reacher.

Beachballplayer · 18/06/2024 14:47

Schools can't win, had they shut for polling day people would be complaining.

Hateam · 18/06/2024 14:46

Christ, who'd a teacher..

Crunchymum · 18/06/2024 14:28

Interested to see what our school do. Local elections they just move the nursery class for the day (nursery has it's own separate, gated entrance and exit) but GE will have a higher turnout so I am not sure if they will need to use one of the main school halls and close the whole school?

SergeantDawkins · 18/06/2024 14:22

Lots of sensible replies here but if you’re truly worried and no one on here or the head can reassure you then why not just keep your child off school that day? What other solution is there?

Pinkbits · 18/06/2024 14:00

There's another post running about the immense pressure on teaching/schools and how droves are leaving the sector thanks to changing culture and and stuff like this all contributes to it. I wonder how such posters dare get out of bed on a morning given the millions of what if scenarios that might happen.

Realistically though, why would a school share their internal RA with parents? You can assume its safe else the LA wouldnt have sanctioned the use of it. Is Mr Bloggs here expecting to go through it with a red pen and a load of revisions on how he would have done it better? Perhaps contact the LA instead as they'll have more time, resource and experience to deal with nonsensical queries like this one.

ExpressCheckout · 18/06/2024 13:53

HolyMoly24 · 18/06/2024 12:35

My daughters Primary School is used as a polling station and they have made the decision to move to home learning that day due to the safeguarding risk.

As a HS officer I'm also inclined to think children should not be in school that day.

Obviously I don't know the specific circumstances of your school but - also as someone with HS responsibility - closing the school is disproportionate.

So, you're happy for children to be taken out of an environment where they are under constant supervision, to a location where they are not, and - statistically speaking - are far more likely to be abused and/or witnesses to DV?

Because that's the impact of closing the school for a day.

Extreme events aside, the risks of which cannot be mitigated easily, they are in the best place. Also, witnessing and 'being involved' (kind of) in the election is a brilliant opportunity for them.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound hard, but this kind of over-reaction needs to stop.

Beezknees · 18/06/2024 13:46

JawJaw · 18/06/2024 13:42

@MrBuckler you have only had to email the head a few times? During the 19 years I had school aged children (at 4 different schools) I never once emailed (or called or wrote to)a headteacher. Surely it’s not common to need to email at all? It’s not that my children went to amazing schools but that I managed to deal with queries in other ways. I don’t think you can have concept of how many things headteachers have to deal with from day to day. There is a far greater danger of your kids becoming anxious and mistrustful than anything else.

My DS is 16 just left school and throughout his entire time at school I think I emailed in once during Covid times. That's it.

If I was a teacher/head I'd get seriously fed up of highly strung parents!

JawJaw · 18/06/2024 13:42

@MrBuckler you have only had to email the head a few times? During the 19 years I had school aged children (at 4 different schools) I never once emailed (or called or wrote to)a headteacher. Surely it’s not common to need to email at all? It’s not that my children went to amazing schools but that I managed to deal with queries in other ways. I don’t think you can have concept of how many things headteachers have to deal with from day to day. There is a far greater danger of your kids becoming anxious and mistrustful than anything else.

Pinkbits · 18/06/2024 13:41

What sort of manic hysteria is this? It's no wonder the head isnt replying.

Mumoftwo1316 · 18/06/2024 13:38

In ordinary safeguarding, a lone adults without a staff badge must be challenged.

In so-called suspended safeguarding, a lone student is challenged. "But I just need to get my violin" tough, you can't go there without an accompanying teacher.

The areas for voting and the passage to it will be cordoned off and in suspended safeguarding mode.

Mumoftwo1316 · 18/06/2024 13:36

Op I think you misunderstood my point about parents' evenings.

I will try to explain it again.

When schools are in session, usually all parts of the school, within the gates, are in "ordinary safeguarding". This means, say, a child can leave a lesson to go to the toilet unaccompanied. All adults must either wear a staff badge, or wear a visitor's badge AND be accompanied.

Sometimes, all or part of the school (clearly delineated/cordoned off) will be in so-called "suspended safeguarding". This means adults can go there without signing in. Children cannot go there unaccompanied. As you say, either by their own parents, or by a teacher. This could be when the PTA is doing a cake sale, or the gym is being rented externally etc etc.

If you try to complain to the Head without understanding these basics, you will only receive an eye roll.

TakeOnFlea · 18/06/2024 13:29

The parents at this school sound like a bloody nightmare. But yeah, keep emailing about nonsense.

SpanThatWorld · 18/06/2024 13:27

And it's things like this which mean we have a national shortage of people wanting to become Heads

PCcrisps · 18/06/2024 13:20

MrBuckler · 18/06/2024 13:10

How can the head decide to remain open if he hasn't risk assessed it? We're just over two weeks from the election, parents need to know for definite if the school will be open, so he had to have completed a risk assesment before he could make that call.

RA is about identifying risk and managing it, not looking for a reason to cancel. He'll do what the RA needs to make it safe and he will have thought about the risk, even if it hasn't been written down.