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Ageism.

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WhatsUpNowThen · 18/06/2024 02:55

It's awful, on Mumsnet. Do these posters think they will never be 60?

I have to admit that I'm not too pleased about it. But turning 60 does not change my views on anything at all. I think the same things as I did when I was 30 Why do the younger generation hate us so much?

I'm on their side.

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Everythingiscalmfornow · 18/06/2024 07:37

Goldenbear · 18/06/2024 07:34

I think this is where you live as I don’t notice it. My DC are teenagers and they don’t notice anyone over 19 probably let alone be rude to them!

Well tbh I think not noticing any one over the age of 19 is very sad. In other words no one older than them is worthy of notice. It is a form of contempt.

Goldenbear · 18/06/2024 07:34

Everythingiscalmfornow · 18/06/2024 07:09

I think ageism is rife every where, not just on MN.
I find locally even the youngest of the children have absolutely no respect for any one older. They are verbally rude and antagonistic towards certainly older women. They are derisory of them. They are contemptuous.
They are learning this attitude from somewhere.
I think it's very much linked towards societies obsession with looking young, and praising and promoting youth culture and devaluing the experiences of older people. It really is seen as a crime to be old .It is our fault we are old, we have allowed it to happen to us. It will never happen to them.
Of course the natural reaction to this contempt is for older people to dislike the younger generation. I have to work very hard not to stereotype the younger generations. I have to remind myself people are individuals.
It's sad that there isn't more tolerance and respect between the generations.

I think this is where you live as I don’t notice it. My DC are teenagers and they don’t notice anyone over 19 probably let alone be rude to them!

Everythingiscalmfornow · 18/06/2024 07:32

MariaVT65 · 18/06/2024 07:22

Genuinely curious, what ‘respect’ are you looking for?

Well I'm probably feeling a bit raw after my experience yesterday but I expect not to to be sworn at when I ask the children to leave my hedge alone. I expect not to be given cheek and jeered at when I ask them to clear up the mess they have left in the street right outside my house.
That type of respect.

Goldenbear · 18/06/2024 07:30

Goldenbear · 18/06/2024 07:29

’perfectly Normal’, all my family on Mum and Dad side are from working class backgrounds, I don’t know anybody who experienced that.

I should add if we are discussing Britain here.

Goldenbear · 18/06/2024 07:29

WhatsUpNowThen · 18/06/2024 04:11

You must be bloody joking. I lived the first 15 years of my life in a house with no bathroom or toilet. If I wanted a poo or a pee I would have to walk up the street to the 'midden' or the toilet block that served the whole street, and wake my dad up to come with me. If it was just a pee I could do it in a bucket that we kept behind the front door for just pees. Which my dad would have to go empty early morning. But a poo as a young child I'd have to have a parent or an older sibling with me up the street to the midden. I mean, do you get it? In the middle of winter if you want a poo you have to get all dressed up warm and wake somebody up to come with you. Get dressed up against the weather, and walk up to the toilets. Have your poo. And then get back into bed

I see no current teenager has addressed that. I would be unthinkable nowadays.
Perfectly normal in the 50s/60s/70s

’perfectly Normal’, all my family on Mum and Dad side are from working class backgrounds, I don’t know anybody who experienced that.

AmusedMaker · 18/06/2024 07:28

I’m 61 and haven’t noticed any ageism personally. From threads I’ve seen recently there are plenty of over 50’s on here, and a fair few over 60’s.
I suppose the average age on here is 30’s so I appreciate I am a completely different generation, and probably seem ancient to a 30 year old, but I’m still a Mum and have all the usual problems life throws at us.
Most of the time I have no idea how old someone is on here.

VestibuleVirgin · 18/06/2024 07:23

PuddlesPityParty · 18/06/2024 06:52

Oh no sooooo sorry for spelling a word ever so slightly wrong at 6am!

You weren’t laughing at yourself though, were you? It was at the expense of a different generation. Such crap and typical mumsnet ageism.

You are so determined to be offended and incorrectly accuse me of nasty intent
Such a shame you have taken the name of a fabulous singer/entertainer and made it so nasty

MariaVT65 · 18/06/2024 07:22

Everythingiscalmfornow · 18/06/2024 07:09

I think ageism is rife every where, not just on MN.
I find locally even the youngest of the children have absolutely no respect for any one older. They are verbally rude and antagonistic towards certainly older women. They are derisory of them. They are contemptuous.
They are learning this attitude from somewhere.
I think it's very much linked towards societies obsession with looking young, and praising and promoting youth culture and devaluing the experiences of older people. It really is seen as a crime to be old .It is our fault we are old, we have allowed it to happen to us. It will never happen to them.
Of course the natural reaction to this contempt is for older people to dislike the younger generation. I have to work very hard not to stereotype the younger generations. I have to remind myself people are individuals.
It's sad that there isn't more tolerance and respect between the generations.

Genuinely curious, what ‘respect’ are you looking for?

MariaVT65 · 18/06/2024 07:21

WhatsUpNowThen · 18/06/2024 04:11

You must be bloody joking. I lived the first 15 years of my life in a house with no bathroom or toilet. If I wanted a poo or a pee I would have to walk up the street to the 'midden' or the toilet block that served the whole street, and wake my dad up to come with me. If it was just a pee I could do it in a bucket that we kept behind the front door for just pees. Which my dad would have to go empty early morning. But a poo as a young child I'd have to have a parent or an older sibling with me up the street to the midden. I mean, do you get it? In the middle of winter if you want a poo you have to get all dressed up warm and wake somebody up to come with you. Get dressed up against the weather, and walk up to the toilets. Have your poo. And then get back into bed

I see no current teenager has addressed that. I would be unthinkable nowadays.
Perfectly normal in the 50s/60s/70s

Your post had been up for less than 30 mins. Not an issue of ‘teenagers not wanting to address it’.

My mum always goes on about having no toilet when she was young. It’s not a big newsflash. She had no toilet when she was young, but lived a lot more comfortably later on. You can have both.

MariaVT65 · 18/06/2024 07:15

ByJoyousAquaOtter · 18/06/2024 03:57

We don't wallk down the road reading our phones or sharing our conversations with the entire street. Ditto for public transport. I mean, what is wrong with us??

We don't abuse emergency services or hospital staff. We are grateful

What ageist rants are these based on? I don’t think I’ve seen younger generations complain that older people don’t use their phones when walking, or don’t abuse hospital staff enough or are too grateful?

Interestingly, i’ve had had a word with my mum to suggest she spends less time wasting her retirement sitting at home all day doomscrolling 😂

Everythingiscalmfornow · 18/06/2024 07:09

Topseyt123 · 18/06/2024 03:43

Ageism has been rife on here for years.

As you say, there do seem to be idiots (an increasing number of them it seems) who think they will never grow older and never age, unlike us fruit loops who have done just that.

I'm almost 58, so slotting into the age demographic you mention. I know I do seem ancient to my daughters but they don't put me down because of it.

Older doesn't mean stupid or thick.

Edited

I think ageism is rife every where, not just on MN.
I find locally even the youngest of the children have absolutely no respect for any one older. They are verbally rude and antagonistic towards certainly older women. They are derisory of them. They are contemptuous.
They are learning this attitude from somewhere.
I think it's very much linked towards societies obsession with looking young, and praising and promoting youth culture and devaluing the experiences of older people. It really is seen as a crime to be old .It is our fault we are old, we have allowed it to happen to us. It will never happen to them.
Of course the natural reaction to this contempt is for older people to dislike the younger generation. I have to work very hard not to stereotype the younger generations. I have to remind myself people are individuals.
It's sad that there isn't more tolerance and respect between the generations.

PuddlesPityParty · 18/06/2024 06:52

VestibuleVirgin · 18/06/2024 06:33

Vein, it's 'the same vein...'
My post was not ageist. You cannot understand the fact that we oldies can laugh at ourselves and take the piss out of life.
You need to get a grip

Oh no sooooo sorry for spelling a word ever so slightly wrong at 6am!

You weren’t laughing at yourself though, were you? It was at the expense of a different generation. Such crap and typical mumsnet ageism.

VestibuleVirgin · 18/06/2024 06:44

Maggiethecat · 18/06/2024 06:41

Not to mention that these old gits have a penchant for schooling everyone

Yep, favourite pastime because there are plenty of opportunities.
But if you'd rather come across as uneducated, fill your boots

GreyCarpet · 18/06/2024 06:41

PuddlesPityParty · 18/06/2024 06:11

I find the ageism is worse the other way round - older generations to younger ones - and that it’s much more “forgiven” when that way round too.

I agree. I see just as much ageism from oder generations towards younger ones but that seems to be considered justified and more acceptable somehow.

Maybe some younger people forget they will become older one day but some older people also forget they were young.

After all, how often is a derisory, "How old are you? 15?" Or "How old are you? You sound very young," used as a response to a concern on here because a poster thinks their concern is trite? There are plenty of patronising comments directed towards people who are perceived to be in their teens/early 20s on here.

We all have to navigate growing up just as we all have to navigate getting old.

Maggiethecat · 18/06/2024 06:41

Not to mention that these old gits have a penchant for schooling everyone

VestibuleVirgin · 18/06/2024 06:33

PuddlesPityParty · 18/06/2024 06:14

@VestibuleVirgin its because your post was ageist. God forbid someone wrote one in the same vain about your generation.

Vein, it's 'the same vein...'
My post was not ageist. You cannot understand the fact that we oldies can laugh at ourselves and take the piss out of life.
You need to get a grip

PuddlesPityParty · 18/06/2024 06:14

@VestibuleVirgin its because your post was ageist. God forbid someone wrote one in the same vain about your generation.

PuddlesPityParty · 18/06/2024 06:11

I find the ageism is worse the other way round - older generations to younger ones - and that it’s much more “forgiven” when that way round too.

grumpypedestrian · 18/06/2024 05:50

Yes, ageism is bad on here. But I see it towards the younger generation.

They’re seen as lazy, entitled, stupid for having views differing to the norm. Living off handouts from parents because they should just ‘work harder’ rather than realising that financially it’s impossible to buy a secure home.

Pelham678 · 18/06/2024 05:10

malificent7 · 18/06/2024 03:26

In times of economic uncertainty there are scapegoats.
Apart from immigrants and Jews, older people ate scapegoated due to ;
Brexit
Triple lock pensions
Having a better lifestyle
Hoarding wealth apparently
No longer working.
Boomers are resented for voting for Tory and Brexit whilst never experiencing true hardship in many eyes whilst both votes have plunged workers into economic hardship.

Fwiw I kbiw under 60s who voted for Tory and Brexit.

Well that's stereotyping isn't it?

I didn't vote for Brexit and only know of a few people my age that did. I've never voted Tory even though it might benefit me personally from a financial perspective.

I don't have a pension yet, I'm still working as are many 60 year olds.

Having a better lifestyle is probably true of many older people but certainly not all and I sympathise with that, but also from the sound of it there is ageism even among those who seem to have a nice lifestyle from their posts, so I don't think it's just that. I think it's one of the few groups that it's okay to scapegoat. No-one abuses you for being horrible about old people like they would against gay people or trans people or people of another ethnic group or other groups that have been scapegoated in the past.

I'm still working. I've also struggled through the early 80s poor job prospects, got in negative equity when interest rates soared and ended up paying for a mortgage on a flat that was worth much less than I paid for it for years, and will be working until late 60s so not that different from younger people. I'm not playing the sympathy card and I do have a lot of sympathy for those young people who are starting out now but I do think that are lot of the ageism comes from people in their 30s and 40s so most @haven't experienced the worst of the financial problems.

VestibuleVirgin · 18/06/2024 04:48

ByJoyousAquaOtter · 18/06/2024 04:42

Strange, I don’t feel in a tizzy, I just see your posts as very much a part of the problem.

Tell your fingers that
Goodnight

ByJoyousAquaOtter · 18/06/2024 04:42

VestibuleVirgin · 18/06/2024 04:16

You are desperate to get a bite aren't you?
What part of tongue-in-cheek don't you understand?
Why can you not see that there may have been some exaggeration for comedic effect?
Clearly many posters saw it that way, but sadly you have chosen not to and are getting yourself into a bit of a tizzy.
Would you like me to validate those feelings for you?

Strange, I don’t feel in a tizzy, I just see your posts as very much a part of the problem.

Fintoo · 18/06/2024 04:31

Takes just a few posts for it to descend into nastiness. Kinda sums it up really.

VestibuleVirgin · 18/06/2024 04:16

ByJoyousAquaOtter · 18/06/2024 03:57

We don't wallk down the road reading our phones or sharing our conversations with the entire street. Ditto for public transport. I mean, what is wrong with us??

We don't abuse emergency services or hospital staff. We are grateful

What ageist rants are these based on? I don’t think I’ve seen younger generations complain that older people don’t use their phones when walking, or don’t abuse hospital staff enough or are too grateful?

You are desperate to get a bite aren't you?
What part of tongue-in-cheek don't you understand?
Why can you not see that there may have been some exaggeration for comedic effect?
Clearly many posters saw it that way, but sadly you have chosen not to and are getting yourself into a bit of a tizzy.
Would you like me to validate those feelings for you?

WhatsUpNowThen · 18/06/2024 04:11

You must be bloody joking. I lived the first 15 years of my life in a house with no bathroom or toilet. If I wanted a poo or a pee I would have to walk up the street to the 'midden' or the toilet block that served the whole street, and wake my dad up to come with me. If it was just a pee I could do it in a bucket that we kept behind the front door for just pees. Which my dad would have to go empty early morning. But a poo as a young child I'd have to have a parent or an older sibling with me up the street to the midden. I mean, do you get it? In the middle of winter if you want a poo you have to get all dressed up warm and wake somebody up to come with you. Get dressed up against the weather, and walk up to the toilets. Have your poo. And then get back into bed

I see no current teenager has addressed that. I would be unthinkable nowadays.
Perfectly normal in the 50s/60s/70s

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