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ExDH came out as gay

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Hostageslikethis · 18/06/2024 01:30

Hi, not too sure why I'm posting but I don't feel I can say anything to friends yet.

DH and I met at 18 and 21, married at 22 and 25, then 8 years later had 2 boys who are now 14 and 16. We divorced 4 years ago, the chemistry was gone, we weren't happy. It was all very amicable, we still spend Christmas/The kids birthdays/mothers & fathers day together, there is no bad blood. We do week on/week off with the kids so it is truly 50/50, everyone is happy.

On Sunday I took him out for a fathers day meal with the boys, his week to have the boys so I dropped them off, he invited me in for a coffee. The alternative was going home alone to an empty house so I was grateful for the offer.

He then told me he needs to tell me something before he tells the boys and that news is that he is Gay, he has been in a relationship with a man since November. If I'm honest I cried!
I don't want him back, but I'm devastated, I feel lied to. He swears he didn't really know as he had never allowed himself to explore that side of himself out of shame. He claims he was attracted to me but doesn't feel like he is currently bisexual and feels gay fits better.
He told me the man he is seeing was also married to a woman, now a widower, has a 15 year old DD who he is going to tell soon too and they want to meet each others kids/introduce the kids to each other if they are ok with it.

I came home and I can't help but feel betrayed, lied to. I don't know how the boys will react.

Any advice? AIBU to feel like this?

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Blondiebeachbabe · 18/06/2024 14:35

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Completely agree with this. 👏

Op, please don't feel that you have to be supportive and understanding. You really don't. And this #bekind movement always makes women think that they have to put up and shut up. A huge chuck of your life was with this man. He knew something you didn't. You don't say why you split, but I would imagine that behind the scenes, this had something to do with it, even though you didn't know at the time. People aren't being homophobic when they say this. You were lied to by omission, and that's not okay. Or the sign of a decent man.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 18/06/2024 14:33

Do NOT out him to his children

Omg that's awful advise

And he didn't rape you

PP is vile

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Blondiebeachbabe · 18/06/2024 14:16

Hostageslikethis · 18/06/2024 08:50

Oh goodness, only just getting to read replies and wow there is some homophobia here.

I should clarify that while I feel lied to and betrayed, I don't think either of these things are actually true. We met in the 90's, it certainly wasn't as acceptable to be gay then as it was now, I believe him when he tells me he didn't allow himself to explore that side. If he was lying to anyone it was himself. He dated a woman for a year after we divorced (kids never met her), so I think he is being honest when he tells me he is only realising and coming to terms with this now.

For those insinuating he must have cheated, grow up! I truly believe he never cheated, we spent all our time together! What a homophobic rhetoric to push, in fact these comments have helped as now instead of feeling sorry for myself, I'm more worried about the hidden homophobia he will deal with!

I'm happy for him to tell the boys when he feels ready, unlike some here, my children aren't homophobic and while I'm sure they will have feelings, I don't think it will impact their relationship with their dad, If either of my boys wanted to cut contact or reduce contact as a result of him being in a relationship with a man I'd be ashamed.

I guess the question in my OP was more AIBU to feel lied to when clearly that isn't really the case as it is entirely possible that we met so young and he felt so much internal shame that he didn't even acknowledge that he really didn't know and therefor wasn't lying.

I don't want an homophobia on this thread, please remember you are directing a homophobic rhetoric at someone I loved for a very long time and the father of my children - that is a person who shouldn't be subjected to your outdated views and subconscious biases.

What a WEIRD post. Don't be ridiculous. Most people are agreeing that you ought to be upset. Because this will make you question EVERYTHING and quite rightly so. It's not homophobic to say that - would you have married him if you knew he was gay? I suspect not. Does that make you homophobic? Of course not. I don't believe that someone wakes up one morning suddenly gay. Most gay people say they knew from childhood. I don't believe in all this fluid sexuality nonsense, it's just this generations trendy talk.
As for your kids, if you think that they are going to respond well to this revelation, then I think you're in for a big surprise.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 18/06/2024 14:05

WitcheryDivine · 18/06/2024 14:00

I wouldn’t say robbing but I’d say it’s almost similar to anyone who gets married with a secondary motive eg for money or immigration status or to get away from home (while also liking the person they’re marrying). Fine if the other person is aware of it or even shares that motive, but in the case of a gay man or woman marrying “straight” I do think their spouse is missing out on something they don’t even know they’re missing out on - the chance to be married to someone who fully loves and wants to be with them in every sense. OP cannot go back and have a 20 year marriage/kids with someone who is straight - and that may not matter at all, but in other circumstances where perhaps the straight partner felt like they’d given everything to make a marriage work, or perhaps they never felt their partner found them attractive and that’s had negative impacts on them, It might matter quite a bit.

Plenty of straight people marry without being 100% committed, they don't "fully" love someone or want to be with them in every sense. They fall out of love, meet someone new, get married too early/young and realise that it was a haze of youthful joy rather than deep love.

OP had a long marriage with 2 children with a man she's still friends with. Her life was hardly ruined or stolen from her.

Hazelville · 18/06/2024 14:03

Moro93 · 18/06/2024 05:17

Exactly this!

I don’t understand most people commenting. Men (and women) who do this are the lowest of the low.

Women are not disposable items for gay men to use as a beard and/or for children, then discard them when they finally have the guts to come out.

He may not have fully accepted his sexuality when he was married to you, but he’d have known he was repressing something and didn’t confess to you that he may have been questioning things.

Sexuality isn’t just a bad habit or personality trait that you can hide or act like it doesn’t exist, it’s a part of your identity and who you are. It will always come out in the end, no matter how hard you try to repress it.

While things may have been amicable when you split and you may still have a good relationship now, that doesn’t change the fact that he did lie to you for your entire marriage.
He may have loved you, but he couldn’t have ever been in love with you if he’s gay. Being in love with someone includes many factors, but 2 of the main parts are sexual and romantic attraction. Things a gay man can’t feel for a woman.

The way you feel is understandable, OP. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. I personally couldn’t forgive this and would want nothing else to do with him, especially considering your children are nearly adults.

This is nonsense. They are young when they met and it is entirely possible not to be fully aware of your sexuality at that age. There is no indication he used her as a beard or to have children. You seem really out of touch.

WitcheryDivine · 18/06/2024 14:00

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 18/06/2024 13:17

FFS a man who thinks he may be gay or bi but is scared of the consequences and chooses to ignore that to have a happy relationship with a woman (as this clearly was, they are still friends and coparent effectively) is not "robbing" a woman of anything

I wouldn’t say robbing but I’d say it’s almost similar to anyone who gets married with a secondary motive eg for money or immigration status or to get away from home (while also liking the person they’re marrying). Fine if the other person is aware of it or even shares that motive, but in the case of a gay man or woman marrying “straight” I do think their spouse is missing out on something they don’t even know they’re missing out on - the chance to be married to someone who fully loves and wants to be with them in every sense. OP cannot go back and have a 20 year marriage/kids with someone who is straight - and that may not matter at all, but in other circumstances where perhaps the straight partner felt like they’d given everything to make a marriage work, or perhaps they never felt their partner found them attractive and that’s had negative impacts on them, It might matter quite a bit.

Beamur · 18/06/2024 13:59

Haven't rtft.
You've had a big shock but your ex is still the same person. Still your friend and still a good Dad.
Have a cup of tea/glass of wine and give yourself time to process.
He's in a different place now and I am sure you will come round to this and be happy for him.
FWIW I have several friends who thought they were gay/straight - married/kids and then discovered that it wasn't that simple after all.
Life and love is complicated.

Maddy70 · 18/06/2024 13:53

PoopingAllTheWay · 18/06/2024 01:49

Its going to be HUGE for the kids

I would personally advice them to hold off telling them for awhile, November isnt that long ago and they are all going to need alot of time to adjust

Maybe a good idea if you were there when he tells them for some moral support and if the boys want to leave or ask you questions

Kids are resilient. I bet they are not shocked nearly as much as you think. He has a boyfriend so needs to tell them before they find out from someone else

Op he didn't lie to you (he may have lied to himself!) It's a common story

He's been a good father and ex. Regroup and deal with this

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 18/06/2024 13:17

FFS a man who thinks he may be gay or bi but is scared of the consequences and chooses to ignore that to have a happy relationship with a woman (as this clearly was, they are still friends and coparent effectively) is not "robbing" a woman of anything

CherryShirt · 18/06/2024 13:12

Two of my best friends are a gay male couple. They had to turn down an invitation recently because “We’ve got Jane and her husband staying this weekend”. Jane is the ex-wife of one half of the couple.

I'm under no illusions that this happens every day. I’m sure there are many more examples where the outcome is bitterness and anger. But it shows that friendships can emerge from even the most challenging relationships.

ABirdsEyeView · 18/06/2024 12:59

"he had never allowed himself to explore that side of himself out of shame."
The ex husbands own words @Startingagainandagain. He had an indication and chose not to share that with his wife.

I understand why he didn't want to speak up, am sympathetic to a point. But this did not come completely out of the blue for him.

I think he did love the OP, but it does reframe her marriage.

Startingagainandagain · 18/06/2024 12:36

@ABirdsEyeView

'I don't think it's homophobic to feel that the kids might struggle with this - it turns everything they thought about their parents' marriage and their father's integrity on its' head. It's one thing to believe your parents genuinely loved each other, but sadly the relationship went wrong and feelings changed, it's another to think that maybe their dad deceived their mum and the relationship was fundamentally dishonest. That's the issue here, not being anti gay in itself, but the OPs (and potentially the DC's) feeling that the marriage was a lie. He can swear up and down that he didn't know, but I think it's unlikely that he absolutely never had an inkling!'

Sigh...

You have several people on this thread who have clearly told you that they did not realise that they could be attracted to someone of the same sex until later in life/until they met a specific person they fell in love with and everything suddenly clicked into place.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way way of what you 'think'...

What you wrote is clearly homophobic because you suggest a person who comes out as gay later in life must have been previously a 'liar' and lacks 'integrity' and that kids will be more affected by their father's new relationship simply because it is with another man.

Everything you wrote is based in prejudice and ignorance.

Tracey123097 · 18/06/2024 12:29

TheTartfulLodger · 18/06/2024 09:31

It's not that black and white though. He didn't know he was gay when he married. Gay people don't just know they are gay from the off. Sometimes it takes years of failed relationships to put the pieces together.

If he didn't know then he didn't know.. but if he did that's not OK. None of us know for sure, we are all speculating and arguing amongst ourselves when the truth is we don't know. If he was struggling with his sexualality then I'm sorry that doesn't justify getting married to a woman because he had struggles. I think I might be wrong you wrote another post about someone being scared to be gay and that's absolutely heartbreaking and no one should be scared to exist but that's not a safety net to justify marrying or having a relationship with a woman because someone is scared. I wouldn't want to be used simply because someone is scared.

Moro93 · 18/06/2024 12:13

Bobbotgegrinch · 18/06/2024 11:10

Jesus Christ, some of the homophobia on here.

I'm bisexual. I didn't know I was bisexual until I was 22 and found myself kissing a bloke (I'm male). Up to that point, aside from a bit of a man-crush of Spike from Buffy, I'd never even contemplated that I was anything other than heterosexual. Turns out there are (very few) men who also get me going.

It works the other way as well. I've just been to a friends wedding last month. A "gold star" lesbian who'd never so much as kissed a man in 34 years. And now she's married one.

Just because OP's husband has realised he's gay, it doesn't mean he was hiding it, or that he must have cheated on OP when they were together. He's just come to a realisation about his sexuality later in life than most people do.

@Hostageslikethis I don't think it's abnormal that you've felt a bit lied to. You've just found out this huge thing that reframes your past marriage. But as you've realised, feeling lied to doesn't mean you've actually been lied to. It sounds like you and your husband have a decent friendship now, which is always an impressive feat. This most recent revelation doesn't have to change that.

I realised I was bisexual at 21, but there were indicators before that but I was 21 when I finally labelled it.

However, there is a big difference in your early 20s and almost 50! He also said he didn’t allow himself to explore it and felt shame. That very obviously means he knew there was something there that he was choosing not to address.

He didn’t just realise he’s gay when he met a certain man, he’s known and chosen to repress it until he met someone worth coming out for.

Bobbotgegrinch · 18/06/2024 11:10

Jesus Christ, some of the homophobia on here.

I'm bisexual. I didn't know I was bisexual until I was 22 and found myself kissing a bloke (I'm male). Up to that point, aside from a bit of a man-crush of Spike from Buffy, I'd never even contemplated that I was anything other than heterosexual. Turns out there are (very few) men who also get me going.

It works the other way as well. I've just been to a friends wedding last month. A "gold star" lesbian who'd never so much as kissed a man in 34 years. And now she's married one.

Just because OP's husband has realised he's gay, it doesn't mean he was hiding it, or that he must have cheated on OP when they were together. He's just come to a realisation about his sexuality later in life than most people do.

@Hostageslikethis I don't think it's abnormal that you've felt a bit lied to. You've just found out this huge thing that reframes your past marriage. But as you've realised, feeling lied to doesn't mean you've actually been lied to. It sounds like you and your husband have a decent friendship now, which is always an impressive feat. This most recent revelation doesn't have to change that.

ttcat37 · 18/06/2024 10:55

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Do you think you’re funny? Because you’re actually very offensive. You’re trying to make a joke out of someone’s sexuality and it’s pathetic. It’s the same as making fun out of someone’s race.

OP, it sounds like you have a great relationship with your ex. This must be a massive shock for you but he’s gone about it the right way and has been respectful. You believe he was faithful during your marriage and that’s what it’s important- you had a loving relationship, children and you must have known that he found you attractive. Even if he did have an attraction to men then which he suppressed, so what, for want of a better phrase. He loved you and wanted you. What he is saying though, about only just realising, is really common. I think once you have got over the shock of it, you will be in the best place to support your kids. The homophobes on your thread would have you believe that your kids won’t cope but thankfully the new generation is a lot more open minded than that- they will be fine!

PrimalOwl10 · 18/06/2024 10:51

Ignore the arseholes on here. It's not like he was leading a double life. You have an amicable relationship with no cheating involved and he had previously had a relationship with a woman post divorce.He now realises he's gay and there should be no shame in that all. You sound like a lovely person as does your exdh. I wish you both the best.

BeRealOrca · 18/06/2024 10:43

Wow, who knew so many MNs were so homophobic and sexist. I have seen many threads on MN where women have turned lesbaian and I have never seen a poster say to a man "you best get an STI test if she's been sleeping around with women". Disgusting behaviour.

Snugglemonkey · 18/06/2024 10:43

Moro93 · 18/06/2024 09:52

I fully agree with you. 99.9% of gay men who come out later in life after being with a woman admit that they knew or suspected they were gay, pushed their feelings down, lied to themselves etc. Why is it ok to do that to another person? It’s incredibly selfish and will create huge trust issues when the woman tries to have relationships in future.

I am not homophobic at all btw. I’m bisexual myself. People aren’t homophobic for thinking this isn’t ok. I have a close family member who done this to a woman. He knew he was gay, was cheating on her with men, used her to have children, gaslit her and made her think she was crazy if she questioned him. It’s disgusting.

Maybe if men who used women, then come out later as gay weren’t given sympathy and celebrated there wouldn’t be so many who think it’s fine to do it…

Maybe if society was not so heteronormative, people would be free to actually connect with their authentic sexuality earlier and not be groomed into a total lack of understanding of themselves.

Some people might genuinely choose to deceive, but many others simply do not understand themselves at all. Noone on the outside can have any clue what the situation is.

Roundroundthegarden · 18/06/2024 10:43

Oh what a shock op. I also don't think your marriage was a lie or that he lied. He probably lived like so many others, who felt shamed into being silent or fitting the traditional husband role. I think he sounds decent as he told you first and had the respect for you to do so.

BucketBouquet · 18/06/2024 10:31

Snugglemonkey · 18/06/2024 10:25

Even if he did think it, is he not entitled to keep those thoughts private? Especially if he loved op. Why would he through a grenade into a marriage for thoughts which may have been fleeting (if he even had them!). You have no idea whether he lied or not, other than your own prejudice.

Exactly! Those feelings existing didn’t mean he planned to act upon them - just as heterosexual people are often attracted to people other than their partner, but don’t cheat.

FellowshipOfTheBing · 18/06/2024 10:31

Sorry, but I just don't believe a person wakes up one day and realises they're gay

Just because you haven't experienced this, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Many people on this thread have said just that. This would be like saying you don't believe people live in famine as you have a full fridge!

fieldsofflowers · 18/06/2024 10:26

ABirdsEyeView · 18/06/2024 10:18

"there is an automatic assumption with a lot of people that gay people are deceptive and always hiding something.
there is no proof the relationship was 'fundamentally dishonest'. some people just wake up one day and realise they're gay, in the same way some people realise they need a new job, or don't love their partner"

Sorry, but I just don't believe a person wakes up one day and realises they're gay - not when they are old enough to have been married and the parent of two teenagers. Sexuality is absolutely more fundamental than realising you need a new job!

It's also not an automatic assumption about gay people being deceptive - it's about this particular individual and what he may have been deceptive about.
He has said that he's not bisexual, definitely gay, so it's also not comparable to the situations of bisexual posters on this thread who have concluded that they now lean more towards dating one sex than the other.

Now I don't know him so I can't say whether he has been deliberately deceptive - maybe he is that rare person who utterly suppressed that knowledge from themselves. But it is my view that most people know who they are sexually attracted to and if a person enters a marriage, they do have a duty to disclose any information which might affect that marriage.

I don't think it's homophobic to view this new relationship as different to him meeting a female partner, since it could raise feelings in the children that their parents marriage was built on dishonesty, deliberate or not.

I don't think you can expect kids to be as relaxed about a new male partner as they would a female one, since the kids may also encounter homophobia amongst their own school friends.

but what you're doing is minimising and ignoring the real experiences of people on this thread who have had this experience.
it struck me like lightning one day. just suddenly i realised 'bloody hell i'm a lesbian'.
i didn't know. i didn't consider myself bisexual before. i woke up one day and it was like everything suddenly made sense.
this isn't a rare event, there are many many gay people online who have discussed these exact experiences

Snugglemonkey · 18/06/2024 10:25

sunflowrsngunpowdr · 18/06/2024 09:12

Agree with this. Not sure why so many people are brushing aside the ops feelings. There is no way that this man never once thought he might be gay when they were together so he is a liar.

Even if he did think it, is he not entitled to keep those thoughts private? Especially if he loved op. Why would he through a grenade into a marriage for thoughts which may have been fleeting (if he even had them!). You have no idea whether he lied or not, other than your own prejudice.

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