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Or has my babies birth given me PTSD

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Changedforprovacy · 17/06/2024 21:53

Posting in the hopes that writing it down might help me work it out myself!

in light of recent news coverage and so many awful tales on here, I’m worried that perhaps I’m being a bit dramatic. I got through the birth relatively intact and my baby is a big healthy and happy girl. So I feel I have no right to feel the way I am.

Recently I had my fourth baby. Having always had pretty simple labours before, I naively assumed this one would be the same. Pregnancy was awful but no major health concerns. Just SPD and horrific being pregnant with so many other small children to care for.

So it was expected that this would be a fairly low risk and low drama birth in the birthing centre, in a pool and my biggest concern was that they might for any reason try and take me out of the pool at any point. Because with SPD , Labour is (in my experience) far more unbearable if it’s not in the water.

I had my first contraction at 5am and started running a bath, expecting to chill out in there for the majority of Labour and only go to the birth centre at the end. But before I could even get in to the tub, the contractions were coming rapidly and intensely and I didn’t really get to time them. They were one on top of the other and absolutely excruciating. I knew something wasn’t right so we got someone here immediately to watch the children and we headed in to give birth a lot quicker than I’d expected to.

it’s important to mention that the previous week I had a false alarm. This happened a few times the week prior (he was very overdue, like all of mine were). In the false alarms , when I called the maternity triage number it took 50 minutes of being on hold before I got through the first time. And 39 minutes the second time.

The reason I mention that, is that when the real event happened, I didn’t even bother calling. There was absolutely no point. All I could think of was getting to that hospital as fast as possible, and we live five minutes away. So there was no point in sitting on hold to triage for ten times the length of time it would take to get there.

It meant no one knew we were coming in. But it’s apparently ok to turn up, you don’t have to inform them.

When we got there, the doors were locked. I presume for security. But there was no one anywhere to be seen. I was on all fours in the street outside mooing like a possessed cow, my husband was hammering on the door and repeatedly pressing the buzzer. Nothing. For over ten minutes we were left out there. I couldn’t stand up or move, and it took my husband calling the main hospital and begging them to send someone to the door.

when they came, I can’t fault them. A lovely lady essentially just manhandled me into a room, stripped my clothes off me and got ready to catch a baby without knowing who I was or what the circumstances were. She eventually wrapped a monitor round my middle because she presumably thought by the signs that baby would be crowning, and then realised she wasn’t.

monitor didn’t sound great. I’d say we waited about ten minutes of a barely legible heartbeat which was agonising to hear, and by then I felt delirious with pain and distress because it was too fast and too powerful and I was very scared.

I don’t remember a lot beyond this. I know that the red button was pushed and the room filled with people. I remember them running down a corridor with me on the bed screaming that I didn’t want a c- section and them shouting over me to say ‘have to go to surgery, category one section, no time to gain mums consent’ and I know some poor woman who was already in theatre prepped for an emergency section was wheeled back out to let them wheel me in. (I don’t blame them for going against what I was screaming. They were professionals acting in a medical emergency and I was in no fit state to be thinking clearly. I was terrified , in agony and in shock I think)

I remember lots of people and hands all over me. I remember being held down as I tried to get up and writhed around with the pain. I remember people sticking stuff to me and someone pouring liquid in my throat and pushing a mask on my face. I very much didn’t want any of that, I am quite phobic of all medical/clinical things. But I understand they had to do that and I’m glad they didn’t pussyfoot around listening to my resistance. I do remember very clearly saying over and over that he was coming NOW and being told he was not.
I was being told very sternly to stop pushing and was very distressed because I could sense that this was critical to let them do whatever they were doing but I absolutely couldn’t stop my body pushing.

I believe that when the surgeon began inserting the catheter, she realised I wasn’t wrong afterall because suddenly the tone changed and she was shouting for the other staff to stop me going under the anaesthetic and get the mask off my face NOW.

I knew he was coming, I’d said it over and over , but perhaps doctors who have women in for a category one section are no longer even thinking about a vaginal birth.

he was born vaginally there and then, in theatre , with no assistance (I mean no forceps or the suction thingy). Just pushing, and it was about three pushes. Very quick, very painful and very scary because unlike my previous births there was no lovely midwife talking me through the pushes etc. just lots of strangers looking panicked and telling me to stop pushing and trying to put me to sleep.

Again, I don’t THINK anyone screwed up. I don’t blame any of the doctors or midwives for what happened. I think each person did their job in a scary , very fast situation and they did what they are trained to do. Surgeons are presumably not trained to listen to women who say baby is coming, and guide them through pushes. They are trained to get that baby out fast, safe and alive. So I genuinely don’t THINK anyone was in the wrong.

I suppose that’s where I’m struggling. I don’t understand what happened. I don’t know why he came so quickly, I don’t know why he became so distressed, I don’t know why his heartbeat was so low. My full labour from contraction one to baby out in the world was an hour and a half. A very dramatic, painful and scary hour and a half where I felt like I was going to die and my baby was too. I was told afterwards that this was what everyone else in the room had feared too.

Due to his distress, baby was born blue, she was absolutely covered in meconium which went EVERYWHERE as she was born , so it was obvious right away that this was the reason she didn’t breathe. They did something called delayed cord something (?) so I rememeber her awkwardly laid on my chest, covered in this tar stuff and not moving or breathing or crying. And me wondering why no one was doing anything. I still don’t fully understand why that happened because she was then rushed off on a resuss trolley with lots of panicked looking doctors who had tried to get her breathing in theatre and couldn’t seem to.

After the stitching etc, we were wheeled into a side room (hopefully so the poor woman ahead of me could be taken back in for her section). And the thing is, we were left there for two hours. No one came to check on me after a fairly traumatic delivery. No one came to tell me anything about my daughter. I rang the buzzer a few times and a nurse would come , different one each time and they seemed surprised to see us, as though they didn’t know who I was or why I was in the room. I’d ask about baby and they’d say they would call NICU and then they just wouldn’t come back. For two hours, I had no idea if my baby had even pulled through.

She did. And after four weeks in NICU, she has come home and thrived. No lasting effects. She did well in NICU , required CPAP and various other treatments to make her lungs function etc but she is ok and so am I.

I immediately blocked it all out I think. I was focussed on her and the NICU stay was hard work as I was breastfeeding and that was harder in the hospital setting. I missed my other children and was probably too hectic to really process it all. I’ve felt ok. But a few things have left me feeling a bit shaken.

One day a woman on the tv was in labour, and while I wasn’t watching whatever show it was, the sound of that guttural howling in pain just felt too familiar. I got very hot and had a definite emotional response that gelt between a panic attack and something more tearful and sad.

The same happened when I lay back in the bath one night. Something about being laid back with a bright light above me triggered the same reaction. And then today I had it again while trying my first post partum workout. Laid on my back with my legs splayed and I just felt instantly sick and panicky and I know that it’s something to do with all that happened.

I was initially referred to a trauma birth service in the nhs but in the week it took to get my referral they were closed down due to funding cuts. So they don’t exist anymore.

I do have a perinatal debrief session upcoming but I have a feeling it will be quite clinical and short, and not really a place where I can process what happened.

I suppose what I’m wondering is whether I even need to process it. Am I being a bit of a wimp? I came out alive, so did my baby. And I was told this was very nearly not the case, because if I’d had just a few more seconds of the anaesthetic I’d have been out cold, baby would be crowning and therefore stuck and not able to be born via the incision or otherwise and things could have gone very differently.

I am tearful a lot. Very angry at husband for no real reason most days. I feel over stimulated and overwhelmed a lot of the time and am aware I’m trying to stay busy and feel in control by letting some old OCD habits creep in. (I do have a history of mental health issues but mostly eating disorders and WELL recovered now in adulthood)

Should I just thank my lucky starts, be grateful we are ok and pull myself together?! Or is this likely to not just go away, and I need to consider whether I can afford a couple of private therapy sessions? We are not well off enough that I would do this unless it was really likely to be necessary and helpful.

If you read all this, thank you. It’s a bit of a waffling one!

OP posts:
redfacebigdisgrace · 17/06/2024 23:39

My God that sounds horrific you poor poor thing. I am not surprised you feel traumatised. I think definitely seek out some help. Talk to your husband too and tell him how you’re feeling. Do you have a health visitor? Do you have health care or does your husband though work- you could access some counselling? I had a traumatic first delivery although nothing like yours and went through my notes with a midwife, which helped.

https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/explore-mental-health/a-z-topics/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)

The symptoms of PTSD, the different types of PTSD, causes of PTSD, getting support and ways you can look after yourself

https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/explore-mental-health/a-z-topics/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd

Hotgirlwinter · 17/06/2024 23:31

You’re not being a wimp or anything of the sort, your experience was traumatic. I felt panicked and upset just reading it.

Youre entitled to feel how you feel OP, hopefully the debrief will help. Keep talking about it, whether on here or with a counsellor or perhaps a support group. The more you share the lighter the load.

RM2013 · 17/06/2024 23:26

Firstly you are not being unreasonable in any way whatsoever. Congratulations on your new baby and it sounds like you’ve had a hell of a rough ride. Definitely take up the option of the birth debrief - it may help to go through your notes and understand what happened as you’re bound to have lots of questions. This is often done a few weeks after the surgery and this can give time to reflect on what questions you might like to ask.
If a cat 1 section. Is called then it’s the most urgent category and they aim to deliver baby within 30 mins of the decision being made.

I would write down some bullet points and questions to help you get the most out of the debrief but it’s also a chance for you to raise your concerns - for example the previous wait times trying to get in touch with triage and the fact that when you arrived at the hospital you weren’t able to get inside or let anyone know you had arrived.

You can also raise concerns via your hospitals PALS team

Take care and remember your feelings are completely valid

Rocket1982 · 17/06/2024 23:25

I got PTSD after the birth of DS2 but it was a walk in the park compared to your experience. I think you should push for NHS psychotherapy (they have contributed to your trauma). If not, private psychotherapy would be a good investment in your mental health. PTSD can improve over time without treatment (not always), but it can also lead to other mental health issues.

SwayingInTime · 17/06/2024 23:25

I am a midwife who works across all the areas you encountered.
I am very glad you and your baby are physically well.
What stood out from your post is that I have read so many stories of births with elements that I know must be misremembered or misinterpreted slightly but yours ring so true that it is like I was there. This includes your understanding of the motivation of the professionals involved. Sometimes labour just goes so very very fast - too fast for the normal responses to be appropriate and fast enough that the baby's very extreme response to the stress is okay because it will be over so quickly but we can't assume that in the moment.
I think you would benefit from therapy specific to unavoidable trauma - I believe there is an evidence base for eye movement training to combat this.
I hope you can take some comfort from my reassurance that it sounds like you took very step possible to keep your baby safe and you should be so proud of yourself.

jgjgjgjgjg · 17/06/2024 23:19

Please do seek some therapy if you possibly can. Make sure you find a therapist that specialises in birth trauma ideally though. Use Counselling Directory or Psychology Today to make sure you find someone properly trained.

HcbSS · 17/06/2024 23:17

Wow what a story!
Time will heal. At the moment you are all consumed with a small baby and older kids, but one day you will be in a routine, back at work and this will gradually become just a bad memory and not something that defines your parenthood journey. And if you need help with that don’t be afraid to seek it.
You and your baby are well. Take heart from that and remember you will never have to go through that again.

Gazelda · 17/06/2024 23:14

Jesus! You and DD have been through the most incredibly stressful experience. Thank goodness you are both recovered from the physical trauma.

But it's no wonder that you're reflecting on the birth. You must have so many questions. It sounds as though you don't want to find someone to blame, just to understand what happened to you. Which is completely natural and understandable.

If I were you, I'd think about what you'd like to ask. Take some notes with you to remind you. Then request some time to digest what you discover, and the ask to be referred to someone to talk through your thoughts.

Talking might help you process this. It might open a can of worms and make you feel worse before you start to feel better. But I suspect it'd help you more to talk than to bottle it up and think you need to have a 'stiff upper lip'.

Sending best wishes.

Craftysue · 17/06/2024 23:08

Firstly congratulations on your new baby - I'm so glad your little girl is well
You're definitely not a wimp - you've had a horrendous experience and it sounds like you need some professional help - please contact your GP or health visitor and ask for help. The debrief may help - if there's anything specific you want to ask about I would write it down so you don't forget anything
You should be really proud of yourself
Best wishes to you and your family x

Pip67893 · 17/06/2024 23:08

I had a cat 1 section nearly 9 years ago with my first DC - my uterus ruptured and I lost nearly 4 litres of blood, had a couple of transfusions then got sepsis and was in icu (baby completely fine but i had follow up surgery later on). I felt shell-shocked and used to try and block it out, but every morning I'd get in the shower and relive it - i cried every day but never told anyone. Then 4 yrs later we decided to have another baby (!) and I was obviously booked in a few weeks early for a planned c section. It was only at that point that I contacted birth afterthoughts - it was really traumatic going through the notes. But after I had DC2 (great planned c section which they took v seriously) I never cried again and completely stopped reliving it. I'm not sure whether it was the birth afterthoughts or having a good birth but something definitely helped me to come to terms with it. I didn't have ptsd - I was probably just upset - but I did need something to stop me reliving it constantly. I also took the notes to the new hospital with me and the doctor read theough them and told me what had happened / gone wrong from a more objective view point. So perhaps you ought to speak to someone now otherwise I don't know if the passage of time will help - it didn't seem to for me. I hope you can find something to help the trauma.

HornyHornersPinger · 17/06/2024 23:07

Offcom · 17/06/2024 22:15

Are you a bit of a wimp? A BIT OF A WIMP?

No. You’re incredible. Honestly, that’s a harrowing story to read, let alone live it in real time. But I do feel privileged to have read it, thank you for laying it out here

This, with bells on!

My heart goes out to you OP x

MummyCushion · 17/06/2024 23:05

Honestly I have no advice but your experience sounds like a living nightmare. I'm not surprised at all you are struggling.

I felt a bit traumatised after my first birth and it was nothing in comparison to yours. There are some aspects of maternity care that I experienced that were brilliant, and others that were absolutely shocking. It all makes for a confusing and upsetting recovery.

I think you can be simultaneously thanking your lucky stars and also being angry at the way you have been treated.

I hope you have all your questions answered in the debrief and manage to get over everything in the weeks and months to come.

Congratulations on your beautiful baby. Give her head a sniff when it gets too much, always made me feel better 💐

Fountainsixty · 17/06/2024 22:58

You amazing woman - you shouldn’t have had to go through all that and I do think the hospital have had quite a few failings. Please please do not blame yourself in any way. Please seek some support, you are having a very very reasonable and proportionate response to a big trauma Flowers

Offcom · 17/06/2024 22:55

A friend did have an EMDR session after a traumatic birth (including baby being whisked off with no updates for ages). It’s not that it makes it like it never happened, but instead of the memory getting stuck at the worst moment it’s like you get to the end of the scene where the immediate danger has passed.

She also told me her midwife said keep telling the story until it doesn’t hold any power over you, which she also found really useful. The baby is now a bright, confident school kid

CountryMumof4 · 17/06/2024 22:55

You are absolutely in no way being unreasonable. It sounds like a traumatic time, but it does sound like the medics looking after you were simply doing as they have been trained to do - which at that point sounds like they thought an emergency section was the best option. My last birth was similarly traumatic and it took some time to heal both mentally and physically from it. I do think that you'd benefit from some counseling for a while, just to talk through your feelings. I'm so glad you and your baby made it through ok, and I'm sure you're so very grateful too. Your feelings are entirely valid though, so don't doubt for a second that they aren't. It's still early days. Sending hugs hugs your way xxx

bzarda · 17/06/2024 22:54

Just wanted to say I can totally relate to that terror of being on the table and everything being so fast. My emergency csection was so quick (she was born 30 mins after arriving at the hospital) and it took me a long time too to watch anything birth related, to exercise, to talk about it.

I think you are so brave and clearly very in tune with your body and what it needed. You saved your babies life. That is amazing and I understand why you would feel so scared and affected by it still. My birth wasn't as traumatic as yours and I still find it hard to think about.

3 months pp is really early still so give yourself a break, your body has been through a huge amount.

HandsDown84 · 17/06/2024 22:46

Oh, OP, you poor thing. Anyone would be absolutely in bits after that.

Our trust does a birthing debrief that you can book as an appointment with a nurse - do they do this in your area?

Changedforprovacy · 17/06/2024 22:45

Sorry I should have mentioned. Daughter is now three months old. So it hasn’t been long!

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FawnFrenchieMum · 17/06/2024 22:44

I wish I had known about this debrief option, I think I would have benefited from that a lot.

FawnFrenchieMum · 17/06/2024 22:43

You don’t say how long ago this was but your feelings are totally valid. My second birth was a very traumatic emergency section, DD not breathing etc. I was in ICU for a period of time afterwards and like you just left immediately after the birth. I couldn’t watch anything birth related for a long time afterwards and anything prem baby related gave me flash backs. I didn’t seek any help and probably should have done however I have now processed it years later.

DiddyRa · 17/06/2024 22:39

I’m so sorry you went through such a traumatic time. I’m glad you and your baby are now well.

The debrief may well help you. I remember just having someone say the words to me ‘you were really poorly. You had a terrible time and it must have been scary’ gave me this overwhelming sense of validation and relief. It was quite emotional.

whilst the debrief helped me and I’m sure others, it can’t necessarily help you work through your feelings so some extra support through counselling etc may be useful.

Motnight · 17/06/2024 22:30

That sounds awful, Op.

I agree with others that you should ask for a debrief.

Changedforprovacy · 17/06/2024 22:26

Quite tearful reading these responses. Thank you so much, all of you, for responding. I think I needed to tell someone what happened so I could just validate that I am not being dramatic and it really was bloody awful even if it was no one’s fault.

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ProjectEdensGate · 17/06/2024 22:26

Why on earth do you need to think you just need to get over it and be happy you have a baby? Who is feeding this type of nonsense into your head?!

I had an emergency csection with my first and honestly I just wanted to slap people who told me 'At least you have a healthy baby, be grateful for that'. Without ever fully knowing or understanding what it was like.

Even if you cannot get anything on the NHS, can you look into private therapy? A 20 minute birth debrief isn't something that will help fix this.

Husbandcantfindanything · 17/06/2024 22:23

Oh my, you are absolutely NOT a wimp.

Read this back as if it was a lung collapsing or something, how traumatic that would be if all of this happened around it and then apply it to your birth! Just because you and your baby are alive doesn’t mean this isn’t utterly traumatic.

There are services, charities, NHS support for this. Please get help, you deserve it 🫂

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