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Or has my babies birth given me PTSD

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Changedforprovacy · 17/06/2024 21:53

Posting in the hopes that writing it down might help me work it out myself!

in light of recent news coverage and so many awful tales on here, I’m worried that perhaps I’m being a bit dramatic. I got through the birth relatively intact and my baby is a big healthy and happy girl. So I feel I have no right to feel the way I am.

Recently I had my fourth baby. Having always had pretty simple labours before, I naively assumed this one would be the same. Pregnancy was awful but no major health concerns. Just SPD and horrific being pregnant with so many other small children to care for.

So it was expected that this would be a fairly low risk and low drama birth in the birthing centre, in a pool and my biggest concern was that they might for any reason try and take me out of the pool at any point. Because with SPD , Labour is (in my experience) far more unbearable if it’s not in the water.

I had my first contraction at 5am and started running a bath, expecting to chill out in there for the majority of Labour and only go to the birth centre at the end. But before I could even get in to the tub, the contractions were coming rapidly and intensely and I didn’t really get to time them. They were one on top of the other and absolutely excruciating. I knew something wasn’t right so we got someone here immediately to watch the children and we headed in to give birth a lot quicker than I’d expected to.

it’s important to mention that the previous week I had a false alarm. This happened a few times the week prior (he was very overdue, like all of mine were). In the false alarms , when I called the maternity triage number it took 50 minutes of being on hold before I got through the first time. And 39 minutes the second time.

The reason I mention that, is that when the real event happened, I didn’t even bother calling. There was absolutely no point. All I could think of was getting to that hospital as fast as possible, and we live five minutes away. So there was no point in sitting on hold to triage for ten times the length of time it would take to get there.

It meant no one knew we were coming in. But it’s apparently ok to turn up, you don’t have to inform them.

When we got there, the doors were locked. I presume for security. But there was no one anywhere to be seen. I was on all fours in the street outside mooing like a possessed cow, my husband was hammering on the door and repeatedly pressing the buzzer. Nothing. For over ten minutes we were left out there. I couldn’t stand up or move, and it took my husband calling the main hospital and begging them to send someone to the door.

when they came, I can’t fault them. A lovely lady essentially just manhandled me into a room, stripped my clothes off me and got ready to catch a baby without knowing who I was or what the circumstances were. She eventually wrapped a monitor round my middle because she presumably thought by the signs that baby would be crowning, and then realised she wasn’t.

monitor didn’t sound great. I’d say we waited about ten minutes of a barely legible heartbeat which was agonising to hear, and by then I felt delirious with pain and distress because it was too fast and too powerful and I was very scared.

I don’t remember a lot beyond this. I know that the red button was pushed and the room filled with people. I remember them running down a corridor with me on the bed screaming that I didn’t want a c- section and them shouting over me to say ‘have to go to surgery, category one section, no time to gain mums consent’ and I know some poor woman who was already in theatre prepped for an emergency section was wheeled back out to let them wheel me in. (I don’t blame them for going against what I was screaming. They were professionals acting in a medical emergency and I was in no fit state to be thinking clearly. I was terrified , in agony and in shock I think)

I remember lots of people and hands all over me. I remember being held down as I tried to get up and writhed around with the pain. I remember people sticking stuff to me and someone pouring liquid in my throat and pushing a mask on my face. I very much didn’t want any of that, I am quite phobic of all medical/clinical things. But I understand they had to do that and I’m glad they didn’t pussyfoot around listening to my resistance. I do remember very clearly saying over and over that he was coming NOW and being told he was not.
I was being told very sternly to stop pushing and was very distressed because I could sense that this was critical to let them do whatever they were doing but I absolutely couldn’t stop my body pushing.

I believe that when the surgeon began inserting the catheter, she realised I wasn’t wrong afterall because suddenly the tone changed and she was shouting for the other staff to stop me going under the anaesthetic and get the mask off my face NOW.

I knew he was coming, I’d said it over and over , but perhaps doctors who have women in for a category one section are no longer even thinking about a vaginal birth.

he was born vaginally there and then, in theatre , with no assistance (I mean no forceps or the suction thingy). Just pushing, and it was about three pushes. Very quick, very painful and very scary because unlike my previous births there was no lovely midwife talking me through the pushes etc. just lots of strangers looking panicked and telling me to stop pushing and trying to put me to sleep.

Again, I don’t THINK anyone screwed up. I don’t blame any of the doctors or midwives for what happened. I think each person did their job in a scary , very fast situation and they did what they are trained to do. Surgeons are presumably not trained to listen to women who say baby is coming, and guide them through pushes. They are trained to get that baby out fast, safe and alive. So I genuinely don’t THINK anyone was in the wrong.

I suppose that’s where I’m struggling. I don’t understand what happened. I don’t know why he came so quickly, I don’t know why he became so distressed, I don’t know why his heartbeat was so low. My full labour from contraction one to baby out in the world was an hour and a half. A very dramatic, painful and scary hour and a half where I felt like I was going to die and my baby was too. I was told afterwards that this was what everyone else in the room had feared too.

Due to his distress, baby was born blue, she was absolutely covered in meconium which went EVERYWHERE as she was born , so it was obvious right away that this was the reason she didn’t breathe. They did something called delayed cord something (?) so I rememeber her awkwardly laid on my chest, covered in this tar stuff and not moving or breathing or crying. And me wondering why no one was doing anything. I still don’t fully understand why that happened because she was then rushed off on a resuss trolley with lots of panicked looking doctors who had tried to get her breathing in theatre and couldn’t seem to.

After the stitching etc, we were wheeled into a side room (hopefully so the poor woman ahead of me could be taken back in for her section). And the thing is, we were left there for two hours. No one came to check on me after a fairly traumatic delivery. No one came to tell me anything about my daughter. I rang the buzzer a few times and a nurse would come , different one each time and they seemed surprised to see us, as though they didn’t know who I was or why I was in the room. I’d ask about baby and they’d say they would call NICU and then they just wouldn’t come back. For two hours, I had no idea if my baby had even pulled through.

She did. And after four weeks in NICU, she has come home and thrived. No lasting effects. She did well in NICU , required CPAP and various other treatments to make her lungs function etc but she is ok and so am I.

I immediately blocked it all out I think. I was focussed on her and the NICU stay was hard work as I was breastfeeding and that was harder in the hospital setting. I missed my other children and was probably too hectic to really process it all. I’ve felt ok. But a few things have left me feeling a bit shaken.

One day a woman on the tv was in labour, and while I wasn’t watching whatever show it was, the sound of that guttural howling in pain just felt too familiar. I got very hot and had a definite emotional response that gelt between a panic attack and something more tearful and sad.

The same happened when I lay back in the bath one night. Something about being laid back with a bright light above me triggered the same reaction. And then today I had it again while trying my first post partum workout. Laid on my back with my legs splayed and I just felt instantly sick and panicky and I know that it’s something to do with all that happened.

I was initially referred to a trauma birth service in the nhs but in the week it took to get my referral they were closed down due to funding cuts. So they don’t exist anymore.

I do have a perinatal debrief session upcoming but I have a feeling it will be quite clinical and short, and not really a place where I can process what happened.

I suppose what I’m wondering is whether I even need to process it. Am I being a bit of a wimp? I came out alive, so did my baby. And I was told this was very nearly not the case, because if I’d had just a few more seconds of the anaesthetic I’d have been out cold, baby would be crowning and therefore stuck and not able to be born via the incision or otherwise and things could have gone very differently.

I am tearful a lot. Very angry at husband for no real reason most days. I feel over stimulated and overwhelmed a lot of the time and am aware I’m trying to stay busy and feel in control by letting some old OCD habits creep in. (I do have a history of mental health issues but mostly eating disorders and WELL recovered now in adulthood)

Should I just thank my lucky starts, be grateful we are ok and pull myself together?! Or is this likely to not just go away, and I need to consider whether I can afford a couple of private therapy sessions? We are not well off enough that I would do this unless it was really likely to be necessary and helpful.

If you read all this, thank you. It’s a bit of a waffling one!

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Atethehalloweenchocs · 18/06/2024 21:20

Changedforprovacy · 18/06/2024 19:53

Thank you. I will definitely attend it, because I want to be able to tell my girl one day what actually happened. But I do think I’m quite scared it’s going to trigger more flashbacks that I could have avoided if I didn’t go.

I can understand why you would be scared but what contributes to PTSD and keeps it going is avoidance. When something bad happens (or anything actually) we have to process it to decide what it means going forward and what expectations or beliefs need to be updated or amended. Avoiding this means we stop the process and the more scared we are of the memories, the more our brain tries to make us process them so we can move on. In effect we are stuck and our brain is trying to heal us by moving us on. But because we have such strong reactions, we try to avoid or stop the memories. And become more stuck.

I am sure the people you meet will be used to supporting people in distress. You may find this meeting and the information you receive is enough to decrease or stop the flashbacks. But if not, CBT or EMDR are both effective. I worked with one woman who was having trips to the PMU several times a week in her second pregnancy after a traumatic time with her first birth. She did brilliantly and although even going to the meeting was really hard (we worked on strategies to help her get there such as breathing and grounding techniques and you may want to take someone with you as well) the next time I saw her it was like a weight was lifted off her shoulders. I do hope it goes as well for you. These problems rob us of our joy, and it is such a shame this is happening to you. Take care.

BigSaddo · 18/06/2024 20:01

I’m not going to be able to read through your post, but I wanted to let you know PTSD from birth is real, it’s valid and when or if you’re ready, worth seeking help for.
I recently finished CBT for my son’s traumatic birth and it’s been life changing. Obviously all is not perfect, but it’s been significantly helpful.
Sending you the best.

Changedforprovacy · 18/06/2024 19:53

Atethehalloweenchocs · 18/06/2024 18:44

I treat people for trauma. I know several women who have found the debrief incredibly helpful, so dont write it off until you go. One woman I worked with for months before she would even consider it, but in the end it was the most therapeutic thing that could have happened - it answered so many of her questions and helped her move on. You do sound like you are having flashbacks, so if you dont get what you need from the debrief and these persist or get worse, refer yourself to your local talking therapy service- they should be able to help with this.

Thank you. I will definitely attend it, because I want to be able to tell my girl one day what actually happened. But I do think I’m quite scared it’s going to trigger more flashbacks that I could have avoided if I didn’t go.

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Changedforprovacy · 18/06/2024 19:51

waterrat · 18/06/2024 16:04

ONe thing I would say - there is a saying 'the second arrow' in buddhism - so - you have the trauma then you have thoughts 'about ' the trauma - ie.'Im wasiting my precious time with my child being traumatised' -

I would really try to let those thoughts go. This is life - you are traumatised, you have been affected - you have your child and a whole life ahead with them so it's okay to recognise and accept the feelings are present for now and they may need proper support.

I found this incredibly helpful thank you so much.

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Atethehalloweenchocs · 18/06/2024 18:44

I treat people for trauma. I know several women who have found the debrief incredibly helpful, so dont write it off until you go. One woman I worked with for months before she would even consider it, but in the end it was the most therapeutic thing that could have happened - it answered so many of her questions and helped her move on. You do sound like you are having flashbacks, so if you dont get what you need from the debrief and these persist or get worse, refer yourself to your local talking therapy service- they should be able to help with this.

waterrat · 18/06/2024 16:04

ONe thing I would say - there is a saying 'the second arrow' in buddhism - so - you have the trauma then you have thoughts 'about ' the trauma - ie.'Im wasiting my precious time with my child being traumatised' -

I would really try to let those thoughts go. This is life - you are traumatised, you have been affected - you have your child and a whole life ahead with them so it's okay to recognise and accept the feelings are present for now and they may need proper support.

waterrat · 18/06/2024 16:02

That sounds fucking horrific OP

Imagine if that happened to you as a result of a major car accident? You would be rightly assumed to be dealing with major trauma

Changedforprovacy · 18/06/2024 15:52

Gosh I can’t believe how many people have had similar experiences. I was never under any illusion that birth was a glowing beautiful experience, I’ve had three previously. I knew birth was brutal and painful and risky etc but I wasn’t even afraid for the labour. I was LOOKING FORWARD TO IT this time. I just wanted to not be pregnant anymore, and I found birth quite empowering previously. For me pregnancy itself was much worse than labour. Obviously that’s all changed now. We could never have another after that, so will have to accept we are finished with babies. Which makes me so sad because I feel like my ‘newborn’ period with the last of my babies was just a big blur of hospital. And now she’s already three months , and I’m this overwhelmed mum trying to do more and more housework just to feel in control and block these annoying flashbacks out. I’m wasting all of my precious time with her in this strange headspace.

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Hmmmm2018 · 18/06/2024 12:29

Just posting to say you definitely not unreasonable, you went through something that definitely fits the definition of a trauma in which you and or a loved one faced a life threatening threat, which can then lead to ptsd. We had an emergency c section in which our baby and I came closer to not surviving than I care to admit
and both my husband and I had some features of a PTSD response. I really struggled with her birthday at first. We found our way through it by talking to each other and eventually got to a point where the trauma has faded. It sounds for you that you may need some extra support, there should be perinatal Mental health services, or your GP can guide you to where best to get help. I hope things start to feel better soon

Anothnamechang · 18/06/2024 12:07

My oldest was a Cat 1 C-section and like you laid back with bright lights above me triggered me loads, I used to avoid going to the dentist as it was too much. I got great support from my health visitor and my GP I did end up with antidepressants for a while. It took over a year until I was beginning to feel normal again.

My second was a planned Csection and I thought it ‘healed me’. It was an absolutely amazing and calming experience and so different from the last.

Then came my third an awful pregnancy with several haemorrhages, extremely preterm due to fetal distress. We still don’t have answers on why, we are awaiting placenta results. For over a week I was on a monitor watching decels until they decided enough was enough. I thought my first birth didn’t impact me until they were saying they may need to do a Cat 1 section again, I was literally sobbing in my friends arms telling her under no circumstances have I to be put to sleep. My midwife was amazing and read over my first birth with me and said they would be trying to avoid cat 1 and once the magnesium shot was done I was to be taken straight round. My youngest is now 17 months and I’ve been accepted for the neonatal physiological help after teaching out 2 weeks ago. Call your nicu and ask if they provide this service, with your baby being so young you would still qualify for it under my local hospital.

NICU stays are tough and even tougher when you are initially forgot about and the first time I seen any professional after the birth it was to hand me a breast pump. I was in a recovery room with another woman who had her baby with her singing my favourite song and to this day that stings. When up in the ward I had my own side room at the end of the corridor, meant I couldn’t hear the babies but did see them daily.

All of your feelings are very valid and fresh, speaking about the experience sometimes helps and definitely get as much support around you as you can 💖

Sunnysidegold · 18/06/2024 07:33

I am so glad you and baby came through all that. That sounds absolutely terrifying and traumatic.

Have you thought about counselling? I had PTSD following an incident and I remember the panic attacks being triggered by something most people wouldn't notice. I had counselling (CBT) and it changed my life. I know it's not a magic wand, but it really helps to talk to someone who is t emotionally invested in you. When I talked to my husband or mum they were mostly just "everyone is here safely and that's what matters". My husband tries hard to understand me but I just think we deal with things in different ways.

Is there a way you can take someone with you to the debrief just to take notes? And make a list of questions in case you forget something in the heat of the moment .

Good luck op.

kittybiscuits · 18/06/2024 06:32

You did an amazing job in incredibly difficult and frightening circumstances. Doing your birth debrief will hopefully be helpful and would normally be gentle.

If you are in England, you can book an NHS Talking Therapies assessment and they will likely offer trauma focused CBT or EMDR for a single incident trauma. Trauma therapy with the perinatal team might also be an option, but this is possibly the service that closed down while you were waiting for the referral.

Definitely seek help. This is something that can be treated and outcomes are good. I'm sorry for what you went through. You definitely deserve to have help.

ThunderQween · 18/06/2024 06:32

Am I being a bit of a wimp? hell no! You're really tough! I've no idea how you went through that.

I would say to go to the debrief and if after that it's still an issue then speak to your GP for a referal

somethingwickedlivesnextdoor · 18/06/2024 06:21

I'm not surprised you're traumatised after that experience. I'm so glad you and your dd are ok.

Sounds like you'd definitely benefit from some counselling to talk it all through.

I hope your birth debrief goes well. You could ask at it if there are any other options to help you deal with your trauma.

Ruthietuthie · 18/06/2024 01:26

I am so so sorry that you had to go through this. I am so glad that you and your baby are now home and safe.
Can I share my experience of this? I too had an incredibly traumatic birth (although in different ways). After it, I had PTSD symptoms as you describe - flash-backs prompted by anything to do with labor, or even the sight of blood. I would also wake at night screaming in terror. Even though both me and my baby were okay, I felt that what had happened had been so terrifying, so utterly destroying, that I would never be the same strong person again.
Seeing my midwife for a post-birth debrief really helped (I am in the US, so a different system). I had so many questions - was all birth like this? (This was my first) Had something gone wrong? Why had these things happened.
My midwife hadn't been at the birth (like you, an emergency situation led me to deliver with doctors I didn't know. I wasn't even at the right hospital for my midwife). But she read through my notes and explained everything.
Somehow, her reassurance that I wasn't faulty (I wondered if birth was just like this, and it was me being a wimp - she was clear my birth was horrifically painful and terrifying) and that what had happened to me was really awful.
Then, what it took was time. The terror faded, the flashes went away. Now, six years on, I can describe the details of my birth, but I can't really recapture the pain or fear I felt.
I also saw a psychiatrist who diagnosed me with PTSD and prescribed a medication (again, I am in a different health care system - I know that might not be possible). I took the medication for a short time but think mainly it was the passing of time that made me better.
Please know that your response to your birth is completely normal and appropriate - I am so so sorry these things happened to you. Please also know that your psyche will heal. Be so very kind to yourself.

ghostyslovesheets · 18/06/2024 00:57

You are not a wimp - you had a traumatic experience with loss of control and that is awful- yes everyone is ok but that doesn’t remove the memory. I was diagnosed with PTSD after my second child’s birth

https://www.birthtraumaassociation.org/ have a lot of useful information xxxx

The Birth Trauma Association

BTA is the only charity in the UK solely dedicated to supporting women and families who have experienced traumatic birth. We work to support parents and families, improve parents’ experience of birth, and engage with health professionals and research.

https://www.birthtraumaassociation.org/

girlwhowearsglasses · 18/06/2024 00:51

Changedforprovacy · 17/06/2024 23:48

I genuinely encountered some of the most incredible midwives throughout my experience. My community one was fantastic through pregnancy. The woman who pushed the buzzer initially stayed so calm when she was suddenly given this dramatic patient from nowhere and there were midwives in the theatre who honestly are probably the only reason I coped afterwards because they were so kind and so gentle and came to find me in NICU days later just to check I was ok because they themselves were shaken up by it. I feel like I don’t want to blame anyone but there ARE aspects of maternity care being so stretched that I feel I want to shout about but without blaming any of the professionals who cared for us. It’s not their fault that there are so few staff and such stretched services. And it’s no one’s fault that we had an emergency that couldn’t have been avoided.

anyway , I maintain my belief that most midwives are angels in scrubs. This particular birth I seemed to get the best of them too!

I really feel that you should consider complaining though - because things don’t get changed until sunlight falls on them. Don’t lose this thread because you’ve described it here - and then a few month down the line you will have this account to use if you do take it further.

the midwives and nurses and doctors that treated you may not be personally at fault and subject to circumstances- but those circumstances need examining.

girlwhowearsglasses · 18/06/2024 00:47

Offcom · 17/06/2024 22:55

A friend did have an EMDR session after a traumatic birth (including baby being whisked off with no updates for ages). It’s not that it makes it like it never happened, but instead of the memory getting stuck at the worst moment it’s like you get to the end of the scene where the immediate danger has passed.

She also told me her midwife said keep telling the story until it doesn’t hold any power over you, which she also found really useful. The baby is now a bright, confident school kid

I know someone that does EMDR and is a clinical psychologist. She was explained how it works with trauma to me the other day and it sounds amazing. She works with people and kids who’ve gone through some unimaginable things. It’s clinically proven of benefit to PTSD. You really do need some help if you can get it as you’ve been though something very very traumatic.

Wishing the very best for you and baby

Maraudingmarauders · 18/06/2024 00:33

OP that sounds awful - I had a traumatic Cat 1 section (low heart rate on baby, ended up he had cord round his neck twice, no amniotic fluid and full of meconium so he had an infection). I would say I'm still affected at 8minths post birth but I feel so much calmer and less panicked about it than I did at 3 months. It's still so so recent for you. At three months I'd say I was reliving it constantly, felt like I was on the table all the time. I also didn't feel lime I'd had my baby, despite having them in my arms. I felt like someone had given me another baby and I was still pregnant with my own. It has been a tough old road that I've mostly shouldered on my own as I'm terrible at asking for help.
So you aren't alone.

Changedforprovacy · 18/06/2024 00:15

Opine · 17/06/2024 23:52

I’m glad you’re both ok.

I don’t know if you realise but Your post refers to your baby as both he and she.

I did notice that! And many other typos. She’s a she, but I was breastfeeding while typing and kept missing keys. I don’t know how to edit posts or if I even can. 🫢

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Opine · 17/06/2024 23:52

I’m glad you’re both ok.

I don’t know if you realise but Your post refers to your baby as both he and she.

Investinmyself · 17/06/2024 23:51

I had a debrief. Honestly it took until dc was about 5 ish for flashbacks etc to stop her birthday was always a real trigger.

Changedforprovacy · 17/06/2024 23:48

SwayingInTime · 17/06/2024 23:25

I am a midwife who works across all the areas you encountered.
I am very glad you and your baby are physically well.
What stood out from your post is that I have read so many stories of births with elements that I know must be misremembered or misinterpreted slightly but yours ring so true that it is like I was there. This includes your understanding of the motivation of the professionals involved. Sometimes labour just goes so very very fast - too fast for the normal responses to be appropriate and fast enough that the baby's very extreme response to the stress is okay because it will be over so quickly but we can't assume that in the moment.
I think you would benefit from therapy specific to unavoidable trauma - I believe there is an evidence base for eye movement training to combat this.
I hope you can take some comfort from my reassurance that it sounds like you took very step possible to keep your baby safe and you should be so proud of yourself.

I genuinely encountered some of the most incredible midwives throughout my experience. My community one was fantastic through pregnancy. The woman who pushed the buzzer initially stayed so calm when she was suddenly given this dramatic patient from nowhere and there were midwives in the theatre who honestly are probably the only reason I coped afterwards because they were so kind and so gentle and came to find me in NICU days later just to check I was ok because they themselves were shaken up by it. I feel like I don’t want to blame anyone but there ARE aspects of maternity care being so stretched that I feel I want to shout about but without blaming any of the professionals who cared for us. It’s not their fault that there are so few staff and such stretched services. And it’s no one’s fault that we had an emergency that couldn’t have been avoided.

anyway , I maintain my belief that most midwives are angels in scrubs. This particular birth I seemed to get the best of them too!

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DramaAlpaca · 17/06/2024 23:46

That was a difficult read, OP. I can understand how terrified and out of control you felt. I think you might begin to feel better just having taken the time to write it all down here, so well done for reaching out.

Having gone through therapy myself (about something else entirely but it doesn't matter) if you can stretch to a couple of sessions I would do it. I went through something horrible, though not as traumatic as you, and my therapist helped me to reframe my thoughts. I was deeply sceptical but it really helped me to come to terms with it.

Also do the birth debrief, it can help to get a better understanding, even though you seem to be clear on what happened.

The absolute last thing you are is a wimp!