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AIBU to think human trafficking only happens in foreign countries and not in this country?

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Acrazybimbo · 17/06/2024 21:31

I’ve been hearing a lot about trafficking lately and always thought it only happens in foreign countries but rarely if ever in the UK as it’s never been a thing or talked about round here. I know a random thread to start but how in this country do they get away with it in this day and age with technology being how it is?

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Bogfrog · 19/06/2024 10:22

My friend works for the MET in human slavery/trafficking and is VERY busy. The stories are horrifying

Itllfalloff · 19/06/2024 10:20

Well, statistics say you’re wrong so…

sashh · 19/06/2024 05:36

LadyFeatheringt0n · 18/06/2024 08:19

There are particular industries and cultural groups where its a known problem.

A friend works in a legal service where it comes up and said one area of concern is domestic staff in some migrant communities from countries where labour is cheaper where its more normal to have servants. People are are brought here (sometimes illegally) then have passports taken & aren't paid.

One of the first things the current government did was to take rights away from these women.

There had been a situation where if a woman was abused by her 'employers' if she left then she became an illegal immigrant. Under Labour the law was amended so that these women were not tied to their employer, they could leave and seek work as a domestic servant with another family.

But that was removed.

Gladanotthwrteamonesomething · 18/06/2024 20:29

PeonySeasons · 18/06/2024 08:43

Actually, the CL model is evolving and there is national discussion about changing this definition as the line controllers are more frequently using kids in their home locations with less travelling involved. So it's more the controllers who are moving about, but they still use mules - teenagers on trains and buses are still very very common and it's still trafficking.

However, a key element remains the exploitation of people, particularly children, and the trafficking can also be for sexual offences, grooming and mules....

There may be discussion around changing the definition but currently it's as I stated about moving drugs over county lines which may or may not involve other issues such as trafficking. I hope that helps.

Mycatsmudge · 18/06/2024 20:17

The irony being, society is now so obsessed with colonialism and slavery with the public being compelled to flagellate themselves to right these historical wrongs but hiding in plain sight is modern day slavery bought through human trafficking going on throughout our towns and cities. I do wonder whether our rulers deliberately try to distract us so we don’t register what’s going on everyday on our high streets.

LatteLady · 18/06/2024 17:00

I am a safeguarding governor at a primary school, we had a trafficked child, part of a group of 10. We were fortunate as a member of staff had been a Looked After Child, and the story we were told did not add up. Initially Social Services did not believe us but he was rescued within a couple of weeks.

OP, it is all around you and no, flying through an airport does not reduce it happening.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/06/2024 16:56

MrsCarson · 18/06/2024 13:14

Where I used to work we had agency workers through a local agency, turned out they were all trafficked, the agency housed them all at high cost ie most of their wages and sent them out to work. The owner would even bring them to work in his big fancy car and try to talk to our regular staff, he was a smooth talking creep. Police involved all the carers moved on to god knows where he was shut down and no idea what happened to him and his family.

At least 10 years ago now, a neighbour of ours was having a big extension built. All the male workers looked SE Asian, v possibly Vietnamese, and every time I walked past they looked scared. More than once I saw who was transporting them back and forth - it was a very big hefty Irishman (I heard him shouting at them) in a large white van. I was convinced that they’d been trafficked and were being exploited and I still really regret not taking any action. 🙁

Tellmeifimwrong · 18/06/2024 16:51

This is such an interesting thread and there are so many knowledgeable posters giving good information, so thanks for starting the thread op!

Mycatsmudge · 18/06/2024 16:30

Sadly I think human trafficking is rife in the UK because it generates significant amount of money for businesses and individuals who want cheap biddable often illegal labour such as sex work, drugs. I also strongly suspect they bribe the police, border forces, immigration officials and politicians to enable it or turn a blind eye as needed. Some of the storylines in Line of Duty on human trafficking have authenticity about them.

BeechLeaves · 18/06/2024 15:50

floppybit · 18/06/2024 14:46

This is awful, I'm so you and the other girls went through this. To hear of girls forgetting their own names and the fact the police vice squad were using the escort agencies is particularly disturbing.

I think this is the problem - so many police will be complicit in this so there’s not really any incentive for them to stop the crime. I hope you’re in a better place now.

BouleDeSuif · 18/06/2024 15:45

@floppybit thank you. I think about the other girls I was close to all the time. We never knew real names so I can't find anyone.
The police who used us were bastards, and I don't trust the police service at all now. I'm sure there are some nice helpful ones etc etc but I still don't.

floppybit · 18/06/2024 14:46

BouleDeSuif · 17/06/2024 21:45

I was trafficked. I was born and raised in England and it happened to me. Through that, I met a lot of women from Eastern Europe who had been brought over for the sex trade. Some had been sold by family. Some couldn't remember their real name.

I was forced into it by a much older man, who I had thought was my boyfriend- it wasn't the first time he'd done it and he mostly worked me through escort agencies that were open through the night, because they're legal and nobody cares where you come from.

The agencies knew I was being forced- didn't care, because I was making them money.
They never even asked my real name. They never asked for ID. They just sent me out to men who rang up and asked for a girl.

Some girls there were living in houses with ten, fifteen, twenty others, being taken to work for agencies every night, all their money going to the man who owned them.

They get away with it because they make sure you're terrified of them, they make sure you're frightened of going to the police, they threaten your family, and because nobody cares enough about you to do anything to help you.

The agencies all had police, CID, vice squad, etc, on their books as clients and they were the worst because they could just get away with anything.

This is awful, I'm so you and the other girls went through this. To hear of girls forgetting their own names and the fact the police vice squad were using the escort agencies is particularly disturbing.

MrsCarson · 18/06/2024 13:14

Where I used to work we had agency workers through a local agency, turned out they were all trafficked, the agency housed them all at high cost ie most of their wages and sent them out to work. The owner would even bring them to work in his big fancy car and try to talk to our regular staff, he was a smooth talking creep. Police involved all the carers moved on to god knows where he was shut down and no idea what happened to him and his family.

boombang · 18/06/2024 13:02

rainbowunicorn · 18/06/2024 08:15

Please be aware that trafficking and people smuggling are not the same thing. People automatically think of nail bars, chicken shops, American sweet shops etc when they think about trafficking. There is also a huge problem across the country with British citizens being trafficked. Many of these are children that are used in county lines activity and are trafficked to another part of the country. Young British women, girls and boys being trafficked into the sex trade. Any of whom are recruited into county lines initially. It's not all about foreigners being brought into the country. It can be much harder to spot the uk nationals that are being trafficked because most people don't even realise that's what it is.

Trafficking of British nationals, particularly young British national is a huge issue, and they are very difficult to help. A foreign national can be returned to their own country, but where can a British national be returned to? The same place where they were trafficked from in the first place- often with little parental oversight or input, for whatever reason. Or they would not have been so vulnerable in the first place. And often, they immediately get trafficked again. For a British 14 year old, with no father and a disengaged mother, there can be no way out

GnomeDePlume · 18/06/2024 13:00

Badbadbunny · 18/06/2024 10:22

I think it's time to change direction. It's all well and good sitting back, gathering evidence, and waiting/watching until you can catch a small number of "higher ups", but the number prosecuted is tiny and it takes years and a lot of resources to close down one supply chain. I just don't think it's working.

I think it would be far better to hit it hard at street level and aim to prosecute the more "mid range" people involved in the logistics/operation at lower levels. Yes, it doesn't get the top, but realistically, we're getting so few of them anyway.

This "wait and get the top people" approach is clearly failing as drugs, weapons and people trafficing is just continuing to rise. We need a new approach.

I agree. Keep hitting the low level operations. Seize assets even if they have little value. It will make setting up again quickly unprofitable.

It will benefit local communities as legitimate nail bars/car wash etc will be able to operate.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 18/06/2024 11:32

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/06/2024 11:13

So because our systems are admittedly far from perfect, you’re assuming that the same doesn’t happen elsewhere?

No, but we have the slowest asylum processing times in Europe. If someone is going to be processed in a year and sent home the traffickers won't get as much ' value' as they will out of someone who is here for 5 years, and can be so easily lost in the system. We have hundreds if asylum seekers who the authorities have no idea where they are. They aren't living it up on benefits in 6 bedroom houses. They are probably living somewhere as slaves working for criminal gangs.

Itawapuddytat · 18/06/2024 11:27

I am an interpreter. In our work, we meet so many people trafficked here ! Men, women, old people, teenagers, even children. So many.... 😔😔

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/06/2024 11:13

DramaLlamaBangBang · 18/06/2024 10:21

I think there is an element of people traffickers knowing that our border control and immigration system is creaking do badly that it is easy to disappear people here. When it takes 5 years to process asylum cases people, even if they are caught and have to claim asylum are hanging round, and can more easily be forced to work for gangs. The boring way of dealing with this would be to adequately fund public services including immigration and border control. The red meat way is to bang on about Rwanda and small boats.

So because our systems are admittedly far from perfect, you’re assuming that the same doesn’t happen elsewhere?

Badbadbunny · 18/06/2024 10:22

Jijithecat · 18/06/2024 08:41

Because unfortunately it's difficult, time consuming and takes a multi agency response to do it properly.
It's easy to go in, arrest people and shut it down, but that just deals with the people on the ground, not the organisers. The organisers will simply cut their losses and move on somewhere else.

I think it's time to change direction. It's all well and good sitting back, gathering evidence, and waiting/watching until you can catch a small number of "higher ups", but the number prosecuted is tiny and it takes years and a lot of resources to close down one supply chain. I just don't think it's working.

I think it would be far better to hit it hard at street level and aim to prosecute the more "mid range" people involved in the logistics/operation at lower levels. Yes, it doesn't get the top, but realistically, we're getting so few of them anyway.

This "wait and get the top people" approach is clearly failing as drugs, weapons and people trafficing is just continuing to rise. We need a new approach.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 18/06/2024 10:21

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/06/2024 09:21

What are your grounds for saying the U.K. is ‘probably one of the worst countries’? Do you actually have grounds for saying it, or is it just what you like to think?

I think there is an element of people traffickers knowing that our border control and immigration system is creaking do badly that it is easy to disappear people here. When it takes 5 years to process asylum cases people, even if they are caught and have to claim asylum are hanging round, and can more easily be forced to work for gangs. The boring way of dealing with this would be to adequately fund public services including immigration and border control. The red meat way is to bang on about Rwanda and small boats.

GerbilsForever24 · 18/06/2024 10:02

Agree wth all the posters on here regarding traffickign.

Will add that I think why people like OP might be a bit confused at first, or questioning if British people are trafficked, is because of movies and tv. We've all seen that police drama about human traffickers "shopping" for pretty blonde girls or whatever, and the frantic search to find her as her family worry themselves sick.

The reality is that most trafficking victims were already vulnerable. For all the reasons mentioned for ones coming from other countries but those same sort of vulnerabilities exist for people born here. They are poor, or perhaps don't have family/are down on thei rluck etc. Trafficers aren't "stealing" middle class teenagers from brighton.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 18/06/2024 10:01

WTF? Do you never read the news?

BouleDeSuif · 18/06/2024 09:40

@ExitChasedByAPanda I'm in a much, much better place now- life is very lovely. Not perfect but then who's is?

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/06/2024 09:21

NippyCrab · 17/06/2024 22:00

😂😂😂😂 it's not a funny topic at all but you made me laugh out loud there.

@Acrazybimbo the UK is probably one of the worst countries for trafficking going undetected.

What are your grounds for saying the U.K. is ‘probably one of the worst countries’? Do you actually have grounds for saying it, or is it just what you like to think?