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CollyWobble99 · 17/06/2024 21:23

I’ve always had a difficult relationship with both of my parents.

My father was a very physical discipline kind of guy, and very sexist, racist, homophobic, all the ‘Isms’ basically but he worked away a lot and I didn’t really see him much.

My mother was.. changeable. Very explosive emotionally, very violent, prone to outbursts and regularly beat the crap out of me. I remember being beaten with pool cues, cricket bats, slapped, punched, kicked, spat on, hair pulled, I had boiling hot drinks thrown on me, I got locked in the front porch with both doors locked so I couldn’t go anywhere or even go to toilet, starved for days etc etc.

I was also sexually abused by my mothers father, a man she had idolised all my life so I wasn’t able to say anything to her or anyone, about it. When he died I got absolutely paralytic at his funeral because I was so fucking triggered by everyone he saying what a wonderful guy he was.

I learned later that actually he had also sexually abused my mother and some (not all) of her siblings. It started with her at a certain age so presumably she thought I’d be safe as I was younger, but she sent me off on holidays with her parents, I spent whole weekends and half terms at their house and they took me away to their caravan in a different country for weeks at a time. I wasn’t safe, obviously.

She made no secret of the fact that she got pregnant with me to get my dad to marry her, so she could leave her fathers house to escape his abuse. Apparently she was ecstatic to learn she was pregnant. But she hated me once I was actually here. Clearly resented me. Anytime my own father stuck up for me she punished him too and he always relented, and let her do whatever she wanted.

She had multiple affairs when I was growing up and to the best of my knowledge I’m still the only one who knows about them. She used me as a cover and told me if I ever told my dad about them, then it would be my fault my younger siblings would lose their father and their home.

I developed a drinking problem as a teenager which I’ve since managed to kick. I’m have always suffered MH issues, anxiety, depression and cptsd all of which I’m seeking help for.

She’s never once been able to see anyone else’s pain or point of view, she is incredibly self centred.
If it doesn’t involve her feelings, then it doesn’t matter.

I had successfully cut her off for years and my older kids had nothing to do with her. Then she got really ill and my siblings didn’t think she was going to make it, so
I went to the hospital to see her. She ended up surviving but is in a horrible state health wise, but now she’s back in my life I don’t know how to get rid of her.

I hate her being around. I can’t stand the sound of her voice. The last time I spent any length of time with her (I went to her house, the one I grew up in, to try and help tidy and declutter for the carers, and ended up going home and attempting suicide. All the triggers were just too much)

I don’t know if she genuinely has any regrets or if she just wants someone to care for her now she’s getting more frail, but I don’t want any part of it.

She’s been doing this weird, smothering thing where she’s messaging me every day now, trying to buy me things, offering to babysit, being complimentary (she denigrated every aspect of my looks and personality growing up) anything and everything to be near to me and imho, make up for some of the shit. I remember literally being beaten just for being a ‘Fucking weirdo’ (I liked to read aloud to myself, I found it comforting. I chewed my hair, I repeated excerpts of tv and films I’d seen that stuck in my mind for some reason. I had tics and did other socially unacceptable things and was often beaten for being embarrassing to her )

I just don’t want it. I have a visceral reaction to her and it genuinely makes me physically sick when she’s around.

She was diagnosed as autistic in her early 60s so I’ve really been trying to cut her some slack. I was ‘late’ diagnosed as AuDhd in my late 30s so I’ve really been trying hard to be gentle with her because of that and what she went through herself as a child, but I don’t feel I can take it, mentally or physically. I have 6 children myself, 4 of which are also ND. All of my energy is going into not repeating generational trauma, trying my hardest to be the parent my kids need and maintaining my relationship with my (frankly wonderful, angelic husband)

I really wanted to try and care for her in the way I know she must have missed out on herself as a child, but after all this time I just don’t feel I have it in me anymore. She doesn’t care about anyone else’s feelings, or the effort anyone else makes, she’s never once been concerned with difficult times I’ve had (or my siblings)

We were left to fend for ourselves from a very young age but she still wants this picture perfect mum and child relationship with us all. I know she is ND. I know she is traumatised. But do I have to keep trying to fight all of my own trauma in order to be a good daughter?

I really want to be able to cut her out of my life for my own peace and safety but I don’t want my siblings to suffer or be put in an awkward position.

I’m not sure what I’m asking. I think I’m asking is it ok to prioritise myself at this point, knowing how hard she has/had it too and didn’t have anyone looking out for her? Will I survive the guilt if I just.. stop? I

OP posts:
CollyWobble99 · 28/06/2024 19:46

Thank you to everyone for your kind words and advice, and especially to those who’ve shared your own experiences of similar parents and situations. I do hope you’ve been able to heal, move on and find some happiness for yourselves too x

It will take a little bit of time to work out how to manage it but I am going to make the break. If I don’t it will be me that breaks and Ive come too far and have my own loved ones that will suffer if I allow that to happen.

OP posts:
sevsal · 27/06/2024 23:36

kittybiscuits · 27/06/2024 22:24

I sent a text about my decision and then blocked. No regrets. She's dead now. She never loved me. You have very many reasons to go no contact. You've been through so much at the hands of your mother. She made unforgivable choices. Please liberate yourself from this terrible, toxic relationship. You deserve peace and to be around people who love and protect you.

That's how I did it too and have had many happy years without her in them since

RogueFemale · 27/06/2024 23:13

@CollyWobble99 100% support you.

mrssunshinexxx · 27/06/2024 23:08

Cut her out and never look back. Tell
Your siblings EVERYTHING.
Concentrate on healing and being the opposite mother to the role model you had. I'm so sorry for what you've endured . She sounds like a monster

kittybiscuits · 27/06/2024 22:24

I sent a text about my decision and then blocked. No regrets. She's dead now. She never loved me. You have very many reasons to go no contact. You've been through so much at the hands of your mother. She made unforgivable choices. Please liberate yourself from this terrible, toxic relationship. You deserve peace and to be around people who love and protect you.

Sparticusoctopus · 27/06/2024 22:23

Wow. You are amazing. You’ve been through so much but you are so thoughtful about your kids.

Your needs matter too. Just as much.

Your first priority is your children as you brought them into the world and it sounds like you are doing a fantastic job.

In order to keep doing that, your other number one priority is your well-being. Your health and mental health. Being in contact with her sounds detrimental to that and re-traumatising.

You didn’t cause her issues and you can’t fix them. She’s desperately trying to keep you in but if that’s not best for you and your children (and it doesn’t sound like it is), then you have to keep her away.

Any energy you have after that put into friendships. Ones that nurture you.

You owe the woman who gave birth to you, nothing - NOTHING. Duty is a concept that keeps us in chains. She didn’t put you first when you were a gorgeous, perfect baby and child. You owe her zilch.

It’s helpful to understand her history of abuse and her functioning, so you know that it was that that led to her doing such an awful job, not anything about you. You deserved better. But understanding where the abuse of you came from IS NOT AN EXCUSE. She was fully responsible and accountable and she abused you horribly.

Understanding where the abuse came from might help you let go of any self blame and might mean you can let go of some anger, and even may be forgive her, but don’t mistake that for a good reason to stay in touch. Each contact with her sounds like you are being burned on top of already burned skin. Don’t keep going back to the fire. You can’t put it out. You can only avoid it.

Your brothers (flying monkeys) may try all sorts to lure you back in but don’t let them sway you. The fire wasn’t started by you, it’s not your job to put it out and there are people out there whose job it is and won’t find it retraumatising.

Therapy is an excellent idea.

Mostly, be as kind to yourself as you would a best friend in the same situation. You have done so well to get through all this and being the mum you are. Truly inspiring. 💐

ButtonsB · 27/06/2024 22:17

You left home at 15?
You poor child.
So glad you have a new therapist.
Well done on deciding to be 100%honest.

Go for it with the move.
It sounds as if it could be enormously positive and freeing.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 27/06/2024 22:11

I am so glad you have found a place to talk about these things. And that you can see that it is ok to be completely open about our experiences. Thank you for taking time to update us - I feel quite excited for you and your future without this horrible burden. Take care.

itsmylife7 · 27/06/2024 21:53

You sound an amazing Mother OP.

Go and live your life with your children and lovely husband.
You deserve it.

Member984815 · 27/06/2024 21:39

Well done on seeking therapy and making steps to get away , I wish you all the best for your future . Don't let anyone tell you to back down and let her back into your life.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 27/06/2024 21:37

The weird thing about it is you just stop engaging with them. That leaves a feeling of missing some sort of announcement or closure, it's strange but just stop. Be free, you were not protected but we're harmed. Get therapy and you will move on. Lots of good support here.

CollyWobble99 · 27/06/2024 21:29

Hi everyone. I’m sorry it’s taken a little while to come back but it all got a bit much and I needed a breather. It took a lot for me to spill all of that out in one place, and I have horrible anxiety which got the better of me after a few posts and I retreated back into my shell.

I wanted to say thank you to you all, I didn’t imagine for a moment that I might not actually, really be the one in the wrong. I’ve been made to feel responsible for all of her feelings forever and the guilt I feel at just imagining cutting her off has been overwhelming. I realise now that I do have to do it though.

A few questions have been asked and I won’t remember all of them off the top of my head but someone referenced the point I made about husband looking to move - Yes, I would be really happy to. I want to get away from here and never look back.

My children have a large age gap between them, the older children are pretty much adults (20, 18 & 17 with plans of their own to move on with their next steps, all with our full support) and the younger ones aren’t old enough to have established friendships/hobbies etc so moving house and changing schools is probably best done now rather than later. We still intend to buy somewhere with enough space for all of them so they’ll all still have their own rooms and be welcome home anytime they like.

I did leave home but I didn’t wait until I was 18, I left at 15 which is a whole other story in itself. I was only drawn back in by her Ill health and have been kicking myself ever since.

I have a new therapist who I start seeing properly as of next week and for the first time (partly in response to this thread and your replies) I feel capable of being truly and completely honest about everything. I’ve hidden so much in past sessions which was never going to help but I was genuinely too afraid to say so much of what I’ve said here out loud.

OP posts:
Atethehalloweenchocs · 18/06/2024 18:30

But do I have to keep trying to fight all of my own trauma in order to be a good daughter?

No. It is no ones fault if your needs mean you cannot meet her needs.

I really want to be able to cut her out of my life for my own peace and safety but I don’t want my siblings to suffer or be put in an awkward position.

Unfortunately I dont think this will be possible. Any kind of estrangement has an impact on the family and there is no easy way round that.

I’m not sure what I’m asking. I think I’m asking is it ok to prioritise myself at this point, knowing how hard she has/had it too and didn’t have anyone looking out for her? Will I survive the guilt if I just.. stop?

It is VITAL you prioritise yourself. Estrangement is very very hard though and you may feel very guilty about it for a long time to come. Lots of people regret estrangement. But sometimes it is for the best. FWIW, autistic mothers are often convinced they are brilliant mothers with no concept of how what they do affects their children.

Errors · 18/06/2024 16:26

No advice here either but I wanted to say you did not deserve that. Every baby and child has a right to be protected and loved. I’m so sorry you were failed so miserably in this regard.

Definitely go NC Flowers

Immemorialelms · 18/06/2024 16:14

I have no advice I just want to say I see you OP and I respect and admire you hugely for breaking this cycle. You are a wonderful strong woman and I wish you happiness and peace.

BMW6 · 18/06/2024 16:11

Please tell your DH and children (if they are old enough) about the abuse she inflicted on you. Let the daylight in on it all.

Would it help you if you wrote out all these terrible memories and your feelings, and posted it to her (and copies to your siblings) and ended by telling her she is dead to you?

HappierTimesAhead · 18/06/2024 15:58

I am so sorry this happened to you. It's utterly horrific and you did not deserve it. Cut off all contact, you do not owe her anything. Yes, she is damaged but not by you. You cannot change what happened to her, you can only build a better life for you and your children- without her in it.

LifeExperience · 18/06/2024 15:53

"Very explosive emotionally, very violent, prone to outbursts and regularly beat the crap out of me. I remember being beaten with pool cues, cricket bats, slapped, punched, kicked, spat on, hair pulled, I had boiling hot drinks thrown on me, I got locked in the front porch with both doors locked so I couldn’t go anywhere or even go to toilet, starved for days etc etc."

Read that again, and please go NC and don't look back. She is a brutal, sadistic monster and you must protect yourself and your dc from her. You should have gone NC the moment you turned 18. No sane person would have ever blamed you.

OriginalUsername2 · 18/06/2024 15:47

Simply “I’m sorry, I’ve tried but I cannot do this”. Then stop and stay stopped. The hardest thing is everyone else. You have to let the comments bounce off of you like tennis balls.

ButtonsB · 18/06/2024 15:41

Asking your husband to communicate directly to your siblings that you are not to be contacted in any shape or form regarding your mother, can be very helpful.
He can say ill health means there will be no futher involvement/engagement with her.
Your decision is final and not up for discussion.
Any attempt to circumvent this request should be blocked.

Yes NC is sad and painful, but ultimately the peace it brings is hugely life enhancing and gives enormous headspace to begin to heal and accept.

You so deserve peace and headspace OP

Startingagainandagain · 18/06/2024 12:54

I am sorry you had to go through all this OP.

Put yourself and your kids first and focus on your own life.

I have mental health issue too and I am on the autism spectrum and I would never hurt a child or allow a child in my care to be hurt like you were...A parent being damaged is never an excuse to take their issues out on a vulnerable child. Your mother made her choice.

I cut off all links with my selfish, manipulative and lying mother who neglected my health when I was growing up and failed to protect me from my over critical and violent father.

Cutting people off is not an easy path to follow, there is guilt (especially because these type of parents tend to raise their children to become dependent/enmeshed and guilt trip them from the start) but it was the right choice for me and my life is so much better for it now.

Not a single one of my relatives on her side of the family have my address/phone or email now. Everyone is blocked because they were being used as 'flying monkeys' who did not respect my no contact.

Only two weeks ago one of them tried to follow me on social media and I had to immediately block them.

When I was young I left home as soon as I could and moved to a completely different country to escape that environment and finally get a life of my own.

Some parents/families are just so toxic that it is sometimes necessary to cut these relationships to save your mental and physical health.

Maybe try to get some counselling support if you can while you decide to cut off contact.

Also to avoid a big face to face confrontation (because toxic parents won't suddenly have an epiphany/apologise/change their ways when you tell them you have had enough of their behaviour and can no longer have them in your life) I would just put your feelings and request for no contact in a letter and send that to her.

Then you block her and you finally get on with your own life.

You can expect that some family members, if you want to continue to stay in touch with them, will try to make you change your mind/criticise you so be prepared for that as well.

ButterCrackers · 18/06/2024 12:38

CollyWobble99 · 18/06/2024 08:18

“She clearly is lining you up as a carer as the sole female offspring”

This is what I feel is happening. I’m not going to do it.

“Have you ever had it out with her?”

I knew that some form of confrontation had to eventually happen in order to help me start to heal. I imagined it a hundred different ways in my head, but when I learned that her dad did the same thing to her I realised that I’d never be able to now.

She told me about that on my birthday one year. She’s always had a mad reaction to my birthday. I avoid the phone and my husband puts anything with her hand writing on it that comes through the post straight in the bin.

She’s as damaged as I am, the difference is I’ve never abused my children as a form of release which is what I see now she was doing to me.

Wishing you well. When you write “the difference is I’ve never abused my children as a form of release which is what I see now she was doing to me.” This resonates with me. I had many problems with my mother. Put yourself first. Block. Don’t be her carer. Do not communicate with her. Live your life knowing that your kids have you as their mother and that is great. You are a survivor and you’ve broken the chain of abuse. This takes true determination and courage. I say that because I’ve done similar. My kids are so important to me - I am the opposite of my own mother. I gave her every chance but she was always horrid. Luckily my kids have little to no memories of my mother who died when they were small or not born yet. I make sure that my older kids know what I experienced so that there is no sentimental thought.

Refugenewbie · 18/06/2024 09:53

You owe it to your children to protect yourself.

VestibuleVirgin · 18/06/2024 09:32

Please stop contact before you beakdown. You need not explain why.
Ask you DH to deal with any fallout from your siblings or her. Protect yourself.
The late diagnosis does not excuse her behaviour throughout your life, her abuse may explain it, but does not excuse it, particularly as she sent you into the same situation.
You deserve lots of love and care. Your DH, children and friends are your family. If you can imagine living in another country, go! If not, put a mental distance of 10,000 miles between you.
Wishing you all the best

ButtonsB · 18/06/2024 09:16

That was really hard to read. You poor woman.
Thank goodness your husband has your back. Would moving disrupt your children unduly.
Can your mother come to your home independently?
If not, block her completely.
Tell your siblings that you are not to be contacted about her.
It can be done.
It just entails YOU putting YOU first.
Moving house is effort, do you want to do it?
If you think it will be a positive move then consider it.
Do not become involved in her care in any way. It will finish you off.
You sound like an amazing woman who has done a great job parenting yourself and your children.
Go that final step and cut her off once and for all.
Your children need you healthy and well.
THAT is where your priorities and obligation rests.
Not with her.

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