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How can the majority of people in a country be fully employed if ?

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CodenamePliskin · 17/06/2024 19:44

Ive reposted my comment here to open up debate on the questions here :

How can the majority of people in a country be fully employed if every company is run for profit and or includes public sector, charities, not-for profit organisations ?

There is only so much that companies can achieve and still make profits. So, what do we do with the rest of the people when it's not profitable?

How can we achieve almost full employment in any given country when there are only so many people needed?

Furthermore, if companies don't have the resources to pay proper wages, how can society improve within a capitalist system?

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PricklyPearNoThornsPlease · 17/06/2024 20:24

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 17/06/2024 20:22

😂 er, not for donkeys years have public sector had better pensions and the pay has always been lower than for comparable job in private sector.

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Public sector definitely have better pensions than private sector! Have experience of both (and my private sector pension is on the better end), and the public sector is way higher for the same salary.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 17/06/2024 20:22

Midgegreenstreet · 17/06/2024 20:09

I'm not sure that's the case. There are lots of poorly paid entry level private sector jobs in retail, hospitality etc. Public sector jobs are often better paid with better pensions.

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😂 er, not for donkeys years have public sector had better pensions and the pay has always been lower than for comparable job in private sector.

Midgegreenstreet · 17/06/2024 20:09

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 17/06/2024 20:04

At least public sector workers are cheaper than private for same amount of work. Lower salaries and no profit to give to shareholders.

I'm not sure that's the case. There are lots of poorly paid entry level private sector jobs in retail, hospitality etc. Public sector jobs are often better paid with better pensions.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 17/06/2024 20:04

At least public sector workers are cheaper than private for same amount of work. Lower salaries and no profit to give to shareholders.

ComfyBoobs · 17/06/2024 19:59

The public sector thing is huge. The ONS reports nearly 6 million public sector employees, funded by tax.

Another factor is the international market. Our companies and employees don’t just generate profit from UK customers; they also serve other countries which adds to the profit generated by this country (and is why international trad is so important). Our profits are therefore not limited by the UK consumer base.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 17/06/2024 19:57

The goal shouldn’t be to get all or almost all people fully employed in paid work. That’s not a solution for a strong economy, happy populace, progress etc.

For example, if we had no adult students at a universities, we’d be regressing as a society. Adult students are not fully employed in paid work.

The goal should be to have fewer and fewer people needed for full employment to get a decent standard of living for all.

We need to move towards replacing human labour with robots and AI, then providing a UBI so humans can pursue whatever work they want to do without work that generates profit being prioritised,

We could advance so much faster in medicine and other sciences, the arts, on things like world peace and ending hunger if there was no need to make money or to prioritise work that makes money.

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CodenamePliskin · 17/06/2024 19:50

Teentaxidriver · 17/06/2024 19:49

You also overlook that fact that healthy companies grow and expand their workforce. Companies don’t normally achieve a particular size and then stay like that ad infinitum.

its locked the editing but much appricated

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Teentaxidriver · 17/06/2024 19:49

You also overlook that fact that healthy companies grow and expand their workforce. Companies don’t normally achieve a particular size and then stay like that ad infinitum.

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CodenamePliskin · 17/06/2024 19:48

Teentaxidriver · 17/06/2024 19:46

Your question assumes that people only work for companies. What about the public sector, charities, not-for profit organisations?

thanks, edited it to include these

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Teentaxidriver · 17/06/2024 19:46

Your question assumes that people only work for companies. What about the public sector, charities, not-for profit organisations?