To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

It's already happening.
Hence I began retraining 2yrs ago and haven't looked back.
Most people on my conversion masters were also from education backgrounds.

With the right support in place people thrive. The majority of people in this country require support. Are we removing support from only ND DC or everyone? Should lifts and wheelchairs be removed? Assisted births? The NHS? Free education to anyone that isn't a net contributor?

My DC were small in the 70s, when families like those were very much the minority. Might be because most were working, (benefits were scarcer) plus two parents in a household was much more the norm. People often lived in an area most of their lives, neighbours knew the families and bad behaviour was usually dealt with promptly.

Agree. It’s always ‘they need more support’ but all that does is lower their ability to cope individually so then it’s ’they need even more support’, I’m tired of supporting people tbh

I agree. Personal and parental responsibility has all but disappeared in some quarters, being replaced by rights. The pendulum has swung too far. Labour’s tax on private education smacks of the politics of envy, and won’t improve the behaviour of feral parents and their undisciplined offspring.

Unfortunately there’s too many feral kids and their feckless parents straight out of ‘Shameless’. These people never have and never will be any benefit to society, yet they make other people’s lives a misery. But if you call them out, apparently your are privileged and unreasonable.

This is truly awful. I'm a teacher too (Primary) and have experienced exactly the same things. I was often called every name under the sun and had a child in my class arrested for criminal damage when he threw a chair through a window. When the police came, he launched a torrent of foul abuse at them so they handcuffed him and chucked him in the back of the van. He then wet his pants.
I loved working there because I was given the support from SLT. However, there were many times when I wanted to quit because the stress and workload was unsustainable. I don't think I could handle it now.

About 11 years ago, I made the decision to teach internationally and haven't looked back. I have a day and a half of non contact time which means I haven't taken ANY work home in 11 years, kids are lovely (though there are a couple of scamps), my take home salary is more than I would earn in the UK before tax etc and next year, I hope to move to a country where my salary would double.
Also, my kids get their tuition fees paid. They are receiving a quality education and have so many opportunities. For example, my son has travelled around SE Asia to represent the school in football tournaments, we have taken groups of children to Texas for the VEX robotics world championships. My daughter is able to do things like ballet, jazz, piano and receive excellent medical care for her juvenile arthritis without being on a waiting list.

The private medical insurance is excellent. I was diagnosed with skin cancer (melanoma) twice last year (stage 2 and stage 1) and both times I had the surgery to remove it within a week. My son was also diagnosed with it (the day of my second surgery) and he too was able to have part of his ear removed. The plastic surgeon was very skilled and was able to graft skin from his groin to replace it.

Basically, if it's an option, this is a route I highly recommend and could help your husband to fall in love with teaching again as he will be able to do his job effectively.

So it's up to the parents to make sure their child has a fair start when they decide to conceive the child? As if you would know beforehand that your child was going to have a medical condition/special needs? Wow. I missed out on that one. Ofcourse you do EVERYTHING for your child so he/she can thrive but don't you think society should be inclusive and that school should be available for ALL children ? Or should we just lock them up somewhere since they are different? And do this apply to your parents needing extra help when getting older? Or when you need the NHS? Or is it just Sen/children with medical conditions we should exclude? We are not in Germany anno 1940 but your reasoning sounds utterly familiar..

Labour plans to use the money collected from VAT on independent schools to fund more teachers in state schools. This assumes that there are people waiting to be recruited.

Yes, this is the most ridiculous part of the whole thing imo. Where are they going to get these teachers from?! Yes, schools' budgets are shot to bits, but often schools who are currently willing and able to pay a new teacher cannot find one. Having some of Keir's VAT money isn't going to change that.

One of the things I am finding very scary at the moment is the number of children (primary aged) who are threatening staff members with false allegations.

“I will say you touched me”
”You hit me”
”You tried to have sex with me”
”I’ll say you’re a paedo and get you sacked”

A colleague is currently on sick leave as he has had enough as is too stressed, another has had to be on leave 3 times because of fictitious allegations.

Where are they getting this from? Children aged 10 and younger threatening adults in this manner, threatening to have them sacked from their jobs with false allegations of sexual misconduct, it is very scary and as a professional what you must protect yourself against nowadays.

In a nutshell you are spot on

The problem is they have considered the fact that parents will do almost anything to keep their child in private school once they are there (including taking out loans or asking family for help if the fees increase) but not how many parents will not consider private school from the start if they are 20% more expensive.

It's not going to level out any playing fields. Parents no longer paying out £15kpa on school fees will spend it on moving to better catchment areas, extra tuition, educational trips. Some might even reduce their working hours and provide high quality home ed instead. The money will still be invested in giving their children advantages.

I'm opposed to taxing education anyway, especially as every child that does not use the state system already saves the system £7kpa, but even if I wasn't, I think it's a messy and ill-thought out plan.

I would never go back into teaching in any format, but I do know friends who left the state sector and went into private schools, and they will not be returning to the state sector if their schools close, so it won't increase the number of teachers.

I think it will cost the state a lot of money and not really have any benefits.

Re parenting courses, in an ideal world, we'd be able to stop people having babies until they've passed a competency course, but that would be fascist and we could never trust our government to have that kind of power, so it's a non-starter.

I wasn't, but I have pointed out down thread that, of course, children with special needs are excluded from this ban. Read the whole thread before you jump on people.

So much sympathy for you! Sadly I recognise all the problems. Add to that a bully or 2 on the staff, terrifingly unreasonable Ofsted inspections and never working under 80 hours a week, always taking work away on holiday....knowing you have never done enough.
Teaching broke me as a classroom teacher and Ofsted broke my DH.
My hard won advice? If teaching is making you ill, physically or mentally, get out at soon as you can.

I'm sure you just forgot to say unless there's a medical condition. I hope you did anyway. My daughter was born without an anus so her bowel system was created surgically over 4 operations as a baby. But it doesn't work as well as a normal one would. She's bright, healthy, happy and has no developmental delays at all apart from still wearing a pull-ups as her nerves don't tell her when she needs to go. I am aware that she takes up some of the TAs time but banning her from attending school would not only be deeply immoral but it would also be against the law. Perhaps you weren't thinking about children with medical conditions when you wrote your blanket statement about no child should be allowed to attend preschool unless they're out of nappies. But, as a mother of a child with a bowel condition of which there are quite a few of us, people's ignorance and lack of thought can be tiring.

This is disturbing. What ages are these children and what type of schools?
From the comments on here sounds like an wide occurring problem.
If I were your DH I would be planning my move to another career a.s.a.p. No-one should have to put up with that type of behavior.

Too right where is the support from the governing bodies, government etc. Your husband should never have had to put up with this and I hope the parents are ashamed soon there will no teachers left to teach their litter disrespectful darlings. Good luck hope your husband gets a good job where he is appreciated.

Labour plans to use the money collected from VAT on independent schools to fund more teachers in state schools. This assumes that there are people waiting to be recruited.
Last year government figures showed that the recruitment target for secondary school teachers had been missed by 50%.

Until pupil behaviour improves, in particular in secondary schools, people who would be good teachers will be deterred from applying.

Whenever young people are involved in knife crime or some other offence, there is an immediate call to schools and to the police. Parents’ responsibility for caring for and disciplining their children is overlooked. Parents have ultimate responsibility for their children and this role should be publicly recognised and enforced. When a young person under 18 years appears in court, their parents should be required to attend.

The money it is proposed to raise from VAT on independent schools would be better spent on teaching good parenting skills. And parents, not schools, are responsible for brushing children’s teeth!

I thoroughly agree with your husband and feel really sorry for him. Parents not all do not have any discipline nowadays and I was appalled to read this. The government needs to step in as well as the governing board of the school he left and do something. The besf of luck for the future.

DD1 is a NQT having just passed her PGDE.
In her first placement she never met the HT. The support she got from her mentor was awful and her mentor actually suggested that she should quit. Fortunately that was a short placement and her second placement was very supportive. One of her classmates had his second placement in the school she had been in for her first placement and he also had a terrible time. DD told him to contact the university about it and to offer her name as back-up. The school has a poor reputation for pupil attainment and behaviour and I can see why.
This week she met the department she will do her probationary year with and she feels welcomed and supported by them. Given the job situation in the large city she is in, I am not sure that she will stay in teaching long-term.

Yeah it’s so tough.
I’m a teacher and will be honest and say behaviour is not as bad as that at my school, however I have been at schools like that in the past, and know others who have. I have friends who work in schools that are nowhere near as bad as that. It just depends on the school, so much.
its not right, but I do believe supply staff are treated with way less respect. I did supply myself when I first started out, and the children were awful to me, but not like that with other teachers in the school. I wonder is it worth him applying for a permanent role somewhere again, and giving it one more shot in a fixed position, in hopefully a nicer school? And then if that doesn’t work out, I absolutely wouldn’t blame him for looking elsewhere.

Obviously the teachers should cater to your child's needs as much as possible. But I'm sure that you can imagine that even with the best will in the world, doing so while dealing with a whole class full of other children with their own needs, some of them behaving badly, day in day out is pretty difficult.

I think we can blame Rousseau and his teaching that the only source of knowledge and goodness was the self and that institutions that got in the way of natural self-expression ought to be destroyed (sorry, very potted).

You are quite right. I worked in offices, and we were told that if any client got angry/abusive we were to call for a manager/boss, we were not expected to deal with it.

Yet teachers are apparently not only expected to take abuse, and even violence, and turn a blind eye as well. It's disgraceful.