To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

A relation is headed this way. Signed off for nine months, back for this half term. It used to be that parents would back the school but no longer. One relation upped sticks and emigrated, teaches abroad now.

I’ve experienced similar can’t be arsed parenting while in a naice NT cafe. A group of kids aged 4-8 were chasing each other round and round our table screaming and shouting at each other while we were trying to have lunch. 3 sets of their parents were sat opposite us watching their dcs indulgently thinking everyone must be ‘enjoying’ their high spirits🤔

Good points - wise daughters.
How many times have you seen small children in restaurants etc on devices? Cheap child minding.

Didimum - I’m curious re the location and status of the schools you refer to - do tell us where they are - And I can categorically state - having been a teacher and a volunteer - that volunteers are largely shielded from the abhorrent and unwarranted behaviours - I really wouldn’t place much credence on your assertion re ‘Mumsnet hysteria’ regarding pupil/parent behaviour. 👍☘️

What the hell is going on with these parents though? They were the golden generation under a Blair government weren't they, 30 odd years ago?? What went wrong with their upbringing to make them such bad parents?

My DD's currently in their twenties are saying they are adamant they won't give their kids phones or SM, and they have been so traumatised by it. They also see the bad behaviour of current kids. Perhaps the next generation will be better parents

I've been teaching for 25 years and behaviour in schools is absolutely appalling now, as is violence towards staff. If I was at the start of my career I would definitely be walking away and doing something else. I hope your husband is ok. He'll need time to heal.

I have never seen anything like the number of teachers quitting in the last few years. I hope your husband is okay.

We see it on here all the time, don't we?
Permissive parenting with phones, drink, sex "what can you do?".
The number of threads where teenagers are allowed to have phones with little or no supervision..
Also the frequent criticism of teachers and schools. Easy targets for lazy people. The children pick up on these negative attitudes.

Teaching was actually still a nice job as recently as about 2010. It could be again, but massive changes are needed. It was positively enjoyable (from my pov) in the 90s!

It’s sad hearing my DC/their friends who are all lovely bright young things about to graduate who talk about not wanting to touch teaching with a barge pole! Why would they when they could get a job with flexible working, annual leave they can choose, the chance to go on affordable holidays and where they aren’t micromanaged every day or vilified in the press for being workshy!?

Watch a couple of episodes of 'Inside the Police Force' from Middlesborough, and have a look at the way the police are completely disrespected on some of the estates they have to work on.
It is the same people who are parenting the pupils in schools.
It is extreme, in terms of lack of respect for other people, but it isn't extreme in terms of numbers of families who live like this.

The huge divide in society has been growing for years. this isn't some isolated incident in one school, this is life for so many communities in poorer areas across the country.

They deserve every minute of their summer break having to deal with shit attitudes like yours and the horrors detailed in the OP 🙄.

It doesn’t need to be a breeze, but it shouldn’t be like this either.

Your poor husband 😢.

Who is raising these children? I feel for teachers, because I wouldn’t last an hour.

Parenting is piss poor, so I’m not surprised the parents are as horrible as their offspring. The behaviour comes from somewhere ☹️.

3 primary schools is too small a sample to be meaningful.

As I said above I retired early, at 55, and moved to supply. It wasn’t the pupils that drove me out though, and it wasn’t for any of my teacher friends who have left or are considering it. It’s bullying management, government interference, the inspection regime and public attitudes to teachers. All fixable.

I’ve lived in three different areas with my kids, spread over three counties. My kids have been in three primary schools. I’ve volunteered in several over these three counties. I’ve only known one school like this. The over-workload yes, the behaviour, no . It’s largely Mumsnet hysteria.

Sorry my last comment was in response to this - quoted the wrong post

Supply is tough, but it’s also flexible. It’s not a good idea for newly qualified or inexperienced teachers though - you need a range of strategies and a lot of confidence. Even so, I’m cutting back. No more supply contracts, just individual days, and as few as possible. I have 35 years of full time experience and am semi retired.

It's awful but what is the answer.

Kids have nothing to fear from society or family.

And just as importantly they have little to dream about.

When we were kids it was work hard and keep your head down and you'll make it out of here.

Now?

We live in a depressed time.

(My answer would be zero tolerance, young adult detention centres, keep the troublemakers out of mainstream... But it wouldn't be supported and I can understand why - it's brutal and unfair, it's just a pragmatic option)

This - so many absolute arseholes having children. No one is able to take criticism, and take comments about their children as a personal slight.

nasty, violent people etc having children. It’s really shocking.

Because apparently if those children attended schools with those woeful conditions, it would sort them out.

So teachers are right to leave in their droves due to the woeful conditions routinely found in state schools (and I don’t disagree - I was one of them!)…..

But parents are demonised for choosing a private alternative that means their kids don’t have to experience these woeful conditions?

If grown arsed adults can’t cope with it, why on earth should our DC have to if another alternative is available to them?

I think your husband’s experiences are on the extreme end. I’ve been teaching in secondary for 13 years and have been sworn at a few times but nothing like what you’ve described.

He does work in a super selective all girls grammar in a very nice area so I guess that makes a huge difference

Well yes, I guess it does!

I can well imagine. It's sad what the world has become, brash people breeding brash children with no care for anyone and a need to be better than everyone else. I remarked on the very same recently, watching TV gameshows of the past versus nowadays. People used to be humble, almost embarrased to speak about themselves, nowadays its all look at me, how loud and bolshy can I be. And on social media, youve got grown adults acting like spoiled brats for views, and this is beamed minute by minute into the pockets of children.

You could rant on for hours, but it's the society that adults have created for children. It's not their fault, it's how they've been raised. Any secondary school teacher in anything but the most selective of schools deserves probably at least double what theyre earning for having to tolerate it.

Answer: smart phones.

Parents with heads in devices either not interacting or over parenting from constant exposure to SM parenting influences. Hysterical parenting trying to remove risk but not seeing the greater risk of poor development and MH. Kids in buggy holding a phone instead of looking around them, older kids who have never felt boredom therefore never had to become creative. Shorter attention span caused by apps like Tik tok.