To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

I don’t blame your DH.

I work with kids who are the ones always getting into trouble at school and am appalled at some of the things they do.

But what frustrates me is that the LA do what ever they can to not move some of these kids to special schools - the obsession of keeping kids with extra needs in mainstream is not doing anyone favours. T

You can’t decide that NQT/ECTs must have a robust, incredibly lengthy and paperwork-producing induction/mentoring programme and decide that whoever has to do it

1. gets no choice in the matter
2. gets no additional time to do it
3. gets no additional pay to do it

and then expect that mentor to provide this amazing support anyway.

Yes, new teachers need lots of support.

No, this shouldn’t be at the expense of the mentor’s own time and mental wellbeing.

DFE needs to put it in some laws to protect teachers from abuse and sanctions and exclusions for poorly behaved students. No one should suffer abuse at work or anywhere.

I've seen from both state and private perspective and tbh have been quite surprised at the amount kids today can get away with (I'm not at all authoritarian). I am not sure when exclusions and sanctions were not the done thing, I don't mean expulsions but consequences. I found the school almost protects bullies and kids who are clearly exhibiting bad behaviours, as if they are scared to actually pull them into line. OP alluded to the "little darlings" but surely this is BECAUSE these parents have never been told their kid is a nightmare, ever? The whole class will know but not the parents, which seems wrong in itself.

Absolutely this.
Some parents are nothing more than animals, raising their children to be just as bad.

Young teachers are always going to find it harder . We have lost the experienced teachers who mentor the NQTs. Too much stress so they leave before they become experienced.

The "extra stuff" admin is ridiculous.
Some SMT are shit at support. (A temporary job in a school like that decades ago)

Sen support is shit. Attitudes to Sen kids is shocking. (Sorry, but no, he can't become less disabled) (lack of training and experience)

Is behaviour management training still as shit as it was?

Government need to work on retention.

Ofsted is too cliff edge one word judgements. (Rip Ruth)

I'm long retired now, but I can well believe that behaviour has got worse.
As PP's have said, no point in constantly recruiting new teachers if if you can't retain staff; the constant shifting makes for an uneasy atmosphere.
To give an idea of the proportions; once, just once, in my long career did I go to a leaving "do" for a former colleague who was retiring at pensionable age, having spent his entire career in the state sector.
kept in touch with many old friends, but all the others had moved on: to the independent sector (like me), other roles in education , the civil service, one making bespoke fitted kitchens, etc.
As a breed, we are generally a bright, strong-minded bunch with other skills to offer, often specialist knowledge from their degree studies, and it seems that the "blow this for a game of tin soldiers" moment is coming earlier.
It used to be said of the PIT (Pool of Inactive teachers) that, for every ten qualified teachers, only one was currently pursuing a teaching career; I appreciate that some of that cohort have valid reasons for not currently teaching, but I'd be interested to know what that number is now
I wish your husband a speedy recovery, and the chance to use his talents where they are appreciated.

So sorry OP for your DH and to all of you who've suffered as teachers. My friend is on the verge of a breakdown - Primary 7 teacher, excellent and passionate about what she does, but the work load, constant demands and bullying from the HT are driving her to the edge. She spends her weekends working and not seeing her DC. Gets in on Monday, shouted at over messy jotters. If it's not one thing it's another. I am so worried about her.

DH was planning to go into teacher training at one point, I am so glad he didn't.

Agree the system is broken. I fear for what's ahead.

This is just awful... who could blame him for leaving? What can we do to change society.. it defo feels broken... no respect for authority. This is the reason the prison service is broken too

They got a day in isolation. The bottle-throwing kid got 3 days’ suspension (I think they were looking for something to get put on his permanent record as he is one they really want to get rid of).

This thread makes for interesting reading, it seems that other countries teaching is actually respect teachers and it is a well paid, sought after job.

To think that the difference between Leave entitlements for teachers in the UK and Ireland is crazy http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/5097440-to-think-that-the-difference-between-leave-entitlements-for-teachers-in-the-uk-and-ireland-is-crazy

Me too - have 1 month left and am counting the days!
The day I gave in my notice I was told to F off by a Year 7 - I had (reasonable request I thought!) asked him to start work

I am going to teach international students - when it was 'Teacher Appreciation Day' recently they gave speeches to the staff as well as organising snacks for the staff at break.
The difference is amazing!

I know lots of teachers in their 30s who absolutely hate their jobs and desperately want out.
The general public doesn’t understand that the only reason we have any teachers left at all is because people are trapped in their jobs. They have bills and mortgages so they can’t quit. Most are slowly planning their escape. Plus a few bright eyed newbies who will soon get wise, and a few oldies who are hanging on for their pensions. NOBODY wants to teach.

This is what happens when children are no longer disciplined. Some of these little fuckers need a good slapping and I make no apologies for this.
And their parents need a bloody good slap as well

No wonder all the teachers have great things to say about my daughter. She would never dream of doing any of this. She tells her friends off for swearing. Good african upbringing.

I hope he is okay. There is nothing wrong with admitting enough is enough. The idea that it is a vocation is manufactured so we tolerate all the crap thrown at us. It is a job. No job is worth suffering for. Good luck to him x

From what my children tell me of their experiences in secondary school, sadly this seems to be the norm now. I’m sorry your husband has had to experience this. I was a teacher too for 16 years but I can’t face going back into a school environment again. I was fortunate in that the headteacher of the school I worked at always supported the staff, but the behaviour of children generally got worse as the years went by.

Too expensive apparently

I agree to an extent but there is also a widespread problem of schools not having the time/resources/understanding to support families unless it’s a very extreme situation. My DS is nearly 6 and still cries every day going to school. as in sobs and has to be wrestled off us. It’s exhausting and I don’t know why he does it, despite interrogating him, and it makes us all miserable.

By all accounts he is well behaved, a little cheeky at times and we have always instilled respect towards other people.

I have tried to speak to the pastoral assistant about it for the last term. She phoned me once and fobbed me off with “we aren’t concerned about his behaviour” and never phoned back. I leave plenty of messages but she never gets back. His teacher has admitted she doesn’t know what to do about it, and that she doesn’t see him at lunch so doesn’t really know what his friendships are like outside of his class table (they have 2.5 reception classes that play together at lunch so I was worried about potential issues with another child?) They basically said it needs to be worse for them to look into it any more.

At home we have tried reward charts, treats after school, drawing hearts. We can’t afford a private child therapist if it got to that.

I would argue that it’s disruptive for the other children and nothing has been looked at despite us asking for help repeatedly. It does make me feel like if they can’t help with that, what about something a lot more serious?

They are just very reluctant to expel. Offenders are seen as “children” who can’t be penalised for their actions, even when they’re adult sized and are committing adult crimes. They’re also seen as being entitled to an education - they can’t just be kicked out. The kids know the school has no power and they can get away with doing and saying whatever they want.

I feel very sorry for your Dh 🙁 However, having worked in multiple schools, done supply in primary and secondary, I would definitely say it’s the school that counts. Also, some people-and I don’t mean this rudely-just have the wrong personality for teaching. My Dh works in emergency services and says he wouldn’t be able to be a teacher. Equally, I couldn’t do his job.

I left a school due to the appalling behaviour and lack of consequences for that behaviour-got told to fuck off bitch by multiple kids in one group, there was graffiti all over the place, one student threw a table down the stairs.

I honestly think your Dh might flourish in a different school, but obviously competition can be keen for posts in good schools and OFSTED is zero indication of how decent a school is, the one I left got a ‘good’ which made us all scratch our heads! I hope he finds something lovely, whether in teaching or otherwise. I know that feeling of losing confidence.

That is horrendous.

But this generation of parents (not all of them) would not long ago have been little darlings who could do no wrong whilst being little barstards as well.
It’s multi generational.
I will say though that living in an increasing multicultural area is improving matters.The local primary in the middle of a council estate used to have a shocking reputation when the area was largely white make of that what you will.

These threads fill me with dread. I am not deluded and have high expectations of my son regards politeness, being respectful and so on. As parents, we are on this.

But, he is Autistic/ ADHD. Very intelligent yet cannot help fidget, make noises. He would never do well in a ' special ' school, yet the only option is mainstream. He is gentle and kind but the above would be seen as distractions. I've heard stories of kids with additional needs being so overwhelmed they just explode! There will be a proportion of kids like these that might be lumped in as part of the problem. There is zero resource and trying to get what little there is to support these extra needs is stressful beyond words. Discipline won't solve this element of things.

Because critics look closely at how they get good results for those kids.