To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

Because there's a core who genuinely don't give a shit about their kids

There's another load who are way too busy for their kids, or who treat their kids like their "bezzie mate" and who farm out the raising of their family to teachers etc to do all the discipline and teach them literally everything.

If it goes wrong therefore it's the teachers fault.

I taught secondary for 20 years, and parenting has got so much lazier and "by proxy" than when I started.

Blimey my kids school isn’t like that. Sounds like he needs a change of area.

Because they can. Plus, children attract benefits. Or is that too cynical?

I have teenage grandchildren, all in state education. They wouldn’t swear at, or attack teachers. Their parents, who all work, are interested in their education and their wellbeing. They have been fairly fortunate in their state schools.

Agreed

@1dayatatime And where do the excluded go? On the streets causing crime?

Schools are not dumping grounds for degenerate children. They are centres for learning.

If a child doesn't want to learn, they should be excluded and they become their parents' problem.

It is the role of the state and the police to deal with children who cause crimes.

Also in private schools if one or a few dcs are misbehaving and disrupting classes the parents of the other pupils will know soon enough and demand the school deal with it. Private schools are primarily businesses who need to keep their customers happy

Seems like another example of a gentle parenting win /s

My friends son had a breakdown, he's gone into the administration side of education now. He's not happy but with three young children they need the money.

I'm actually reaching the point that I think we probably do need military schools back. Some parents are completely incapable of parenting and don't deserve any further chances to fuck their children up for life.

Why aren’t parents stopping this behaviour?

I mean, you'd kind of hope that working with criminals would be more challenging than working with children...

@Allicanteat

"Schools need to exclude permanently easier. Its a bit no shit sherlock if they dont get rid of the worst behaved even the ok behaved will get worse"

And where do the excluded go? On the streets causing crime?

Sorry OP, hope your husband is ok

my brother just left the teaching profession after 15 years, he has had to physically defend female staff from rampaging teenagers during last year’s school riots. Police got involved. It was all over the news. Just the top of the ice berg, he has a burn out now having been a teacher who has also had to be a bouncer (without obviously being allowed to touch a kid trying to safeguard other kids and staff), a social worker and take so much abuse from parents it is unreal

nobody respects teachers. I think most of these people don’t deserve teachers for their kids

for most parents school is just glorified childcare anyway

the state of the education system in the U.K. is shocking, it seems that some weird kind of thug culture has taken over where teachers are being bullied by parents

Parents are broken. There is a serious lack of quality parenting going on.

I've no idea how it's happened but I feel so sorry for teachers having to deal with the offspring of these dysfunctional families.

This is the consequence of a breakdown in values and a breakdown in masculinity in boys and young men.

It should be a lot easier for schools to exclude and expel pupils who cause problems. If they don't want to be productive, then let their parents look after them at home.

There should also be military schools as an option for degenerate and delinquent children.

Even bigger trouble is that these babies will soon leave schools and become adults who bring nothing positive to society, only trouble and burden and those diminishing numbers of high achieving kids who become working (and God forbid high earning) adults will be taxed to their eyeballs to fund these grown up babies.

It's horrifying and I have no idea what' the solution

Just last week, I was pushed over by a child I fell, hit my face on a wall and have 5 stitches in my head.

The reason? I had told the 9 year old he would have to turn his football shirt inside out for sports days as football shirts are not allowed in school. This is a rule that has been around for at least the last 5 years and all parents had been reminded of this the day before. (The reason for no football shirts is the fact the children will fight anyone who wears a rival team shirt).

The parent refused to make his son apologise because it's "fucking stupid" and I'm a "stupid old bitch" for falling into the wall.

The child was suspended for 2 days and was back in my class today having been taken away to their caravan for the weekend "as a treat"

And all this for £12.50 ph!

This is EXACTLY the reason why some parents "sell their kidney" to save their kids from schools like this. There are some (and a lot of) absolutely brilliant state schools, much better than many privates, but if you aren't lucky enough to get the place, then it's pretty much whatever it takes to ensure DC don't end up in a school described here.

On many PS threads people say that PS teachers who will lose jobs due to VAT will move to state sector - they won't. They will start private tutoring or do something else, but won't move to schools like this ever.
I really have no idea where those 6500 teachers funded by VAT will appear from.

Absolutely-those of us that have been teaching a long time, know it doesn’t have to be like this!

It's a perfect storm...underfunding of schools causes lack of support staff and lack of resources also makes it difficult to retain experienced teachers/SLT who cost more. Increase in SEN means there are zero places in SEN schools and PRU units. LAs not giving EHCPs cause they can't afford it. SS crippled, no early help support/children's centers. High levels of parents with mental health issues and a fair amount of neglect exacerbated by cost of living crisis. Long waiting lists for NHS treatment or SEN diagnosis. And a real sense of entitlement and parents who are convinced their little darlings are always perfect and everything is someone else's fault.

Of course you're going to get state parents defending the state system to a bunch of privileged parents. Their kids go there.

If 93% of kids attend state schools, they're not all going to be throwing chairs. My further maths A-level class are lovely and high-achieving. My bottom set Y10s are more troubled, and have, on occasion, thrown chairs. Very different experiences even within the same school.

Maybe, just maybe, these teachers and people working for the NHS are hoping that if enough of them make their reasons for leaving known then some problems might actually start being addressed.

Or are you too hard of understanding (to put it politely) to get that?

School and home should be a joint effort with parents backing up the teachers. I am shocked at some of the behaviour mentioned here and wonder whatever happened to discipline and boundaries. The trouble is that children are not prepared properly for school life and the outside world generally. To the parents they are still their ‘baby’.

I've taught for 20 years, and it gets worse all the time. I used to be able to have a joke with the students, engage with them properly and really teach them something. Now there's no time or energy left after dealing with constant ridiculous behaviour.

For the first time ever last week, I was observed reaching a class where I couldn't actually teach - all I could do was manage really terrible behaviour continuously.

Going into teaching was the worst choice I ever made.

There are many people that are in denial about how bad state education is at the moment.

you can normally tell who they are as they are the ones saying that teachers are whinging, have too many holidays, should get a job in the real world, that are saying that teachers should be happy just to have a job and are the ones with badly behaved children.

nb. not to be confused with those that have a genuine issue with the the school