To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

Sorry to hear that. I hope your DH is alright.
The problem is lots of parents are far too permissive and refuse to discipline their DC.

let me politely disagree - girls loot CooP next to me on a regular basis, in their uniforms

I stand by what I have said. The secondary school system has been decimated over the past 14 years

Is this for real??? over 300 posts saying how awful it is and it's all coming from poor parenting, Labour's only truly confirmed policy is to destroy the part of educational sector which is working, and solution is to vote Labour? who will magic up 6500 teachers to replace all those on this thread who exit?

@Garibaldhead This is young men who think they are gangsters.

Yes, "gangster" behaviour is due to the absence of maculinity in young men. Being a tough guy gangster is not a masculine trait.

And it is girls, they are no better.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's mostly boys.

These anecdotes are horrific. A growing underclass of feral cretins causing so much misery.

Tuition may be an option for your DH to pursue OP. The ex-deputy head of the local primary school tutors one of my DCs a couple of times a week. It’s £60 an hour. My little one is 6 and they do reading, phonics and writing together. She resigned from her old job (due to stress) and is busy with KS1 and KS2 tuition (the downside is working after school and weekends, but she also does more intense tuition during the holidays).

Because the parents are feral shits themselves

THIS ⬆️🎯🎯🎯

Poor quality parenting.

I'm ancient, so teachers were allowed (and encouraged) to beat us for real and imagined infractions. Alcoholic head of lower school, paedophile employed for over 25 years, several wife-beaters and much else.
Parents were very grateful for kids to get a place, I imagine few if any ever complained.
The teachers and the school fell off its pedestal when league tables came out and the effect of decades of complacency became apparent.
IMHO, OFSTED and DfE should have the opportunity to redesign the curriculum and syllabuses (Latin master will be spinning for not using syllabi) BUT the new structure should then be set in stone for no less than 25 years.
Too many parents had sub-standard educations themselves and seem to feel that they're getting revenge on their teachers by supporting bad behaviour.

That's horrible. I'm sorry it happened to you. It's terrifying think that men like that father are out there - and he's bringing up his son to be just like him. Kid should have been excluded for what he did, and the father prosecuted for being abusive towards you.

This is how some children behave in the area when they are at school too.
FYI spelling of the town name is incorrect. Middlesbrough.

This is the consequence of a breakdown in values and a breakdown in masculinity in boys and young men.

WTF? You think this is the behaviour of boys who aren't masculine enough?

No.

This is young men who think they are gangsters. And it is girls, they are no better.

Oh my god that is horrific. Your poor dh. He was so right to say no more. Should you be interested in a move, we are crying out for teachers in Ireland and after 20 years, I have never seen or heard anything like that (dh also a teacher so quite a few schools and many years experience between us). What you describe would be incredibly rare and simple wouldn't be accepted. Something is really wrong in UK schools going by threads on here..it's very sad and really wrong.

@Peakyshelby I don't blame your husband one bit.
It sounds horrendous to be a teacher- at least in State schools.
Private might be different[?] -

Schools where they can heavily select the students so they are bright, not aggressive, want to learn, and are capable of a bit of self discipline with invested parents.

Yes, I'm 70s born and my children are secondary and uni age.

Vote Labour. Schools have been decimated over the past 14 years.

I've seen a few threads on MN in the last week where schools have contacted parents about their child's behaviour in school. The general consensus seemed to be that it was school's problem and what did school expect parents to do about it. The very idea that the parents should address this behaviour was seen as ridiculous. Post after post agreeing.

So maybe actually we need to blam my generation (1970's born) for raising enttiled kids who have turned into entitled parents and sent these little sods into primary schools in the first place!

Most 70s born wouldn't have children in their thirties yet I don't think? That's my generation and most have kids spread between primary and uni ages.

Several members of my family are teachers. They all now teach in the private sector because they couldn’t stand the behaviour in the state system. The one who was determined to stay in the state sector is on long term sick leave with stress.

I have a permanent scar on my cheek from a child’s fingernails, at least two bite mark scars and have had the hair ripped out my head. Not once was I asked by a member of SLT if I was ok. In fact last week my not so lovely HT watched as a child the same size as me first punched then kicked me and she said and done nothing. I’m leaving this school shortly.

I’ve had a 9 year old know that in the morning if he doesn’t want to do class work all he has to do is flip a few tables, call me a paedo bitch or punch one of his class mates, I would have to evacuate the class, call for help, he would be removed to sit in the HTs office on an iPad or playing Lego. I was only in this class temporarily until an experienced teacher arrived, she lasted about 8 weeks, went off sick then I was back in. I left that job too.

It’s absolutely dire in no other job would you be expected to take the amount of verbal and often physical abuse yet all the public throw at you is your holidays.

Absolutely - had an email from my DC's private school teacher ones. DC knows better not to earn another email. Ever.

Qualified teacher of 20 years here, looking for exit strategy ultimately.
What I've discovered is that many people dislike teachers. Parents often have ridiculous expectations of us. They don't think the many, many unpaid hours the average teacher puts in are enough. They don't understand we often have children of our own but feel that theirs should always be our priority.
This trickles down to their kids who show zero respect.

Because we live in an age where anything remotely non-positive said about a child or the parenting of a child is “mum-shaming”/“parent-shaming”. You see it on MN all the time.

If you pander to parents to the nth degree then oddly enough they don’t think anything is their job or responsibility.

I work with naive middle class people who earn decent money and they spend hours ranting about how the school hasn’t done things which are squarely the responsibility of parents. It isn’t just a minority group of people who are in poverty and don’t know better - it’s endemic.

25 years ago education was something you had to engage with and kids realised you had to put in to get things out of it. You had to be an active part of the process, nobody could do your learning or do your work for you.

Nowadays it's like education is like getting a haircut. Kids and parents expect to sit there whilst someone else creates the desired result with no effort on their part whatsoever

Maybe if parents realised there was a real risk of their child being excluded, they might step up and actually parent their child and put boundaries in place to avoid it happening.