To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

I worked in a few local schools and then worked with a police officer - we knew the same people - I could clearly name every child who was now in trouble with the law.

These kids waste so much resources, time and energy, it’s like they get a kick out of the attention.

Once the schools have given them extra nurture, parental classes, booster sessions, chats with the head teacher, weekly farm sessions, CAMHS - they leave school and commit crimes.

Violent kids don’t leave schools and get jobs, they are genuinely just moving to depleting more resources. Benefits, police time, court time, you name it - no crime is victimless.

I would love to know the cost of one of these little darlings.

Behaviour has got worse since covid. CAMHs has collapsed, mental health provision for children is largely inaccessible, SEN provision is woefully inadequate, schools are falling down and kids don't have teachers. There's also a cost of living crisis and child poverty levels are shooting through the roof.

But you've got a thread full of people who all just want to blame bad parents for what's happening in schools.

This thread is absolutely horrible. As someone who has worked in education for 31 years, visited hundreds of schools, worked with kids with SEN including those with "challenging behaviours" and their parents...

Yes incidents happen. Luckily they are rare. No schools are not mob ruled. No you don't have to go private to get good teaching and a calm classroom (I have seen some truly shit teaching in private schools over the years).

Most teachers who leave are leaving because of workload, general stress, ridiculous curriculum overload, teacher bashing press, lack of support from SLT. Relatively few leave because they can't control their classes, and those leave within the first couple of years usually.

90+ percent of kids in 90+ percent of classes know how to behave and do behave, even in "rough" schools and even in "rough" areas.

I’m going to out it out there that when things in life are ‘free’ at the point of consumption, they aren’t valued as much.

”Free state ed” is seen as a right not a privilege and can be used and abused as one sees fit by many families.

This isn’t about state v indie schools though. It’s about families who take, take, take and give nothing back except trouble. Feral parenting is a big part of the problem. Make parents accountable for their kids’ behaviour whether they like it or not. If little Johnny misbehaves, parents come and collect and keep them at home until he can behave. Repeat offending and parents play a fine.

I know this is too simplistic but there are too many kids in state schools who have to put up with this shit behaviour from their peers. There is a lack of good teachers because they have left owing to the feral kids from the feral families treating them appallingly.

Start with the parents - everything else is moving the deckchairs on the Titanic.

Right, so when are people actually going to have the conversation about how absolutely abysmal parenting is in this country and how teaching everyone that their wants and needs are the most important thing above everyone and everything else leads to disaster. All rights, no responsibilities. This is what you get.

State school teachers don't have a final salary pension. Private school teachers usually are in the same pension scheme as state school teachers, although that is changing. You may have seen all the private school teachers that have gone on strike over changes to pensions recently?

I agree but mental health, human rights, Victorian workhouses etc…

It would actually be the best thing to happen to those kids, steering them away from their inevitable unemployment, addictions and multiple kids in and out of the care system

So tired of the class tropes on here.

Some middle class parents are JUST AS SHIT.

They’re often the ones who run straight to ofsted and or local sareguarding leads for absolutely nothing and the teachers just don’t know how to handle their little darlings.

I know some village heads and deputies from very lovely areas and they’re snowed under with entitled selfish children and when they try and deal with it mummy and daddy complain. Their time is taken because of this and they are often regularly abused by these parents OR social media (what’s app groups etc) is used to create and stir up hate campaigns. I know at county level parental complaints and children’s behaviour has become such a concern and time waster they’re worrying they will let a real ball drop.

It’s across society.

Stop all benefits for life for the parents and access to benefits for these feral children once they leave school. Remove the council house as well. Providing all this easy cash obviously is leading to them being lazy losers. Get them in work with no excuses. How to achieve this? I don’t know but I don’t agree with the way things are now and how this scum is ruining things for others.

Come to Canada, 🍁 if you are catholic, lots of jobs in this school district https://cisdv.bc.ca/employment-opportunities/

All they can do is sanction them, give them detentions they don’t attend. Phone parents who don’t care, who say they can’t control them either or who say the child needs special treatment because they have a certain condition which means they can’t behave (most of them have a diagnoses of something!)

Just as an example. A teacher at my husbands school shouted at a child after a campaign of disruption and being name called, but admittedly raised his voice. A child videod him and plastered it allover social media, with hundreds of parents calling for him to be sacked or resign. It was literally a hate campaign that lasted weeks, started by the child’s parents, countless parents jumping on to say that teacher had ‘bullied’ their children too. That very experienced teacher isn’t in the profession any more.

Actually though, bullying from SLT and management is worse than anything the kids do. Teachers are frequently ‘managed out’ and it’s more of a popularity contest than anything else. The whole teaching culture is toxic.

Can he become a tutor, or work in a private school?

The trouble is there are so little decent punishments these days/consequences, the little darlings know full well they can basically do whatever they want.

Hahaha the irony here is your username!

We really need to stop trying to paint the badly behaved girls as victims in this.

@GaryLurcher19 it’s usually a higher percentage of boys but lately the girls have taken over

In case you hadn’t noticed, there are many accounts by teachers past and present on this thread who have suffered at the hands of these children.
It isn’t the children of middle class Tory voters who will suffer but the ordinary children and civilised adults that will suffer.
You would do well to remember that.

The OP is not a teacher so what is your point? My husband is married to an NHS clinician but I don’t expect him to prescribe medication.

Anyway, this comment is unnecessarily rude. And the lack of commas makes your post difficult to read. I don’t normally point this stuff out, but I shall make an exception here..

I think the teaching exodus began a long time ago - it’s crap all round- the pay. The management, the conditions. 14 years of Tory ‘funding’ aswell has obviously got something to do with it!!! I definitely would not stay on teaching if I knew we had a Tory government that’s for sure.

Surprised at some pps on here suggesting the UK is ‘too supportive’ of people and therefore parents don’t bother working etc.. have everything handed to them on a plate. I know no one like this AT ALL. All I see in the UK is people either doing well or struggling to make ends meet, with almost zero decent help from the state. Best of luck to your partner op in sure there’ll be better options out there currently than teaching! X

My youngest has just left the large private school all my kids attended. It sounds like an idyllic bubble. There were none of these issues and my kids felt safe and received the best education. One of them in particular could have been a target for bullies but their nerdiness was embraced at the private school. The teachers seemed happy and up for having chats or a laugh with parents. Parents seemed grateful. I certainly respected the teachers a great deal, and am still friends with a couple, and had kids who were well-behaved and hated getting into trouble.

The description of some schools here is horrific and I believe it all. It reflects larger society and just the increasingly rude and shit behaviour of adults.

i am sorry this happened and I hope your husband finds another career.

DH worked in secondary schools and pupil referral units since 2004. A couple of years he moved into the FE sector and his stress levels improved. His pay dropped dramatically however.

Those people that think teachers have it easy cos they get longer holidays need to spend 1 hour with a teacher and they would soon change their minds!

I'm sorry he experienced that. Bullied on every count.

Thinking of sending this to my Local election candidates.
Do you mind @Dorisbonson

How terrible for your poor husband.

A friend of mine only works in International oveseas schools and has enjoyed the fact that the parents value their kids being respectful.

Any Party that gets into power gets in by a majority vote and clearly it’s that majority that has kept the Conservatives in power for 14 years. That’s democracy.
Its also worth noting, as other PPs have also done, that school children's behaviour, respect for teachers and the institution has been declining for a long time and also during Labours term in power.

Many people are born poor and many people have and can work themselves out of that situation……if they sat down in class, shut up, work hard and don’t have parents that seek to blame teachers or others for every ill in their life.

@Cabincrew1 Most of us attended school before Ofsted existed. I didn't mention Universal Credit, and I doubt very much the man concerned was receiving it anyway since I know what he did for a job.

That's just more excuses ! There is no excuse.