To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

I have a friend who would never tolerate her kids assaulting her but she was quick to make excuses about her Year 4 child slapping a TA. I was absolutely appalled.

She didn’t tell me at the time it was years later she brought it up that her child had done this. And yet she’s always on these teachers case even now her kids are in secondary school. She always believe her kids over the teachers even when I’m telling her what they’re saying isn’t adding up.
And her kids - now in secondary- will be openly mocking to teachers and she will share this to me like it’s a cute funny story.

She also has no ambitions for her kids. One of them came to her wanting help in a subject she was struggling with. Instead of finding that help be it paid or free- she immediately said don’t worry if you fail your GCSEs etc. I failed X subject too. Yeah I get the idea of not piling pressure on your kids but you should try and get them to reach their full potential.

Her oldest kid is now doing “beauty” at college with all her other mates, which is fine if that’s what she really wanted to do, but I can’t help remembering in her younger years teachers saying she’d make a really great engineer. If she’s been given more encouragement and guidance she could’ve looked in other things.

A friend of mine said he knew he thought he might be getting there when a boy shouted 'Fuck off sir!' That was 20 years ago.

He stuck it for a bit longer then went into 6th form teaching only.

If Labour want to improve education they need to tackle this, rather than just take down the good schools. Once they have knobbled the independents they will destroy the grammars, then the naice comps in leafy suburbs until only the hellish distopian hell schools are left and then everyone will be equal. Hoorah!

This is why we send our kids to private. I’m fed up of disruptive kids ruining it for everyone.

Simply blaming the Tories without facts has become the fallback du jour on here.

There are loads of places to get support. The fact is these people don’t want it. Or they’ll engage for a short period of time then give up. They don’t care, they don’t give a shit.

10 billion was spent on SEN last year - how much is enough? That’s 15% of the entire schools budget.

Parents are to blame fully for their feral children. Respect and kindness starts at home.

I simply don't recognise the dreadful behaviour described here. It just doesn't happen in our school. It is private so I assume that makes the difference?

This is true but also true of society in general how people behave is worse so children are growing up with poor role models as parents. Teen DCs work part time in customer facing roles and are astonished by how rude children and their parents are. It seems to be acceptable for a child to demand and parents just pander to them giving them endless attention and options and making sure they are never upset. If I said to someone working in a cafe 'hey give me an ice cream now' my DM would have been mortified, made me apologise, she would also have apologised and we would have left without said ice cream. Children need role models and boundaries.

Was a TA and you couldn't get me to teach for double the salary.

I work in a male dominated industry now where I am respected, I log off on time and I am asked if "that's ok?" Would never ever ever go back.

I don’t want to be nasty, but
You really need to familiarise yourself with how to use a comma.
The OP’s writing has absolutely no bearing in her dh’s teaching ability.
Perhaps you also need to work on your reading comprehension.
If you really didn’t want to be nasty, you wouldn’t have posted such an unpleasant comment.

Yep!!! I hear this from the coaches of my children’s teams.

They’re giving to their time for free and these entitled often middle class/ WORKING parents making their life miserable.

Complaint after complaint while their little angels get ruder, more disrespectful and mouthier!

I don’t have kids yet and I can see it from both points of view in terms of some being for or against the ideology of paying extra for education, but I just wonder why parents like you are criticised but parents who buy in certain catchment areas aren’t. It’s the same thing surely?!

Not to mention those who attend state but pay lots for various private subject tutors?. Why is one more acceptable than the other? Seems odd and hypocritical to me.

OP, I feel it really depends on the school, I’ve worked in so many lovely state schools back in 2012-2016 era but one I went to as a supply cover supervisor was awful. I was sworn at and threatened by a tiny 11 year old boy within minutes of being there in a particular horrible class .

I had a girl in one of the “nicer” classes who was my height square up to me and try to block me from leaving the classroom when I squeezed by her she shouted out “you’ve hurt me”. I really thought she was going to lie and say I’d shoved her or something but she was just being dramatic I think and didn’t say anything about it again when I returned with another teacher. I know I was supply but I was told by the only two studious kids in
the class at the end that the kids had actually behaved better (less worse!) for me than their usual teacher and they wanted me to teach from now on. I was like that’s sweet but sorry kids no chance! It’s unbelievable to think that was the class on their “good” behaviour!

A teacher described the students there as vile. I was shocked about that but I can understand him tbh. One day was enough for me I told the agency not to send me there again. I found the nicer schools that I went to were usually in the nicer areas - it was 100% down to parent engagement and support and how much parents value education.

I don’t work in schools anymore, except occasionally I visit some to deliver workshops so I have less of an idea of how things are like in the past 8 years.

I left my job for the same reason, it was dire.
2 years down the line and I never take for granted my ‘boring’ desk job which I can do from my spare room all on my own in peace for better pay and more flexibility.
The rot had well and truly set in there, the abuse the staff put up with was soul destroying. I gave up caring about the kids. That’s when I knew it was time.

This is why parents send their kids to private school, because they don't tolerate behaviour like this. This means the teachers can concentrate on teaching. Having a max of 12 to a class helps too.

Non of my friends, who send there kids to private school, have any intention of taking them out and sending them into the state system, even if they had room which they don't. They'll find the money the pay the increase somehow.

I think 14 years of Conservative policy have made things much worse-a bloated yet rigid and narrow curriculum with too much pointless spag and not enough music and art, a lack of anywhere to refer pupils and families onto for support, mass academisation taking money away from pupils and channeling it into the pockets of CEOs, huge drops in SEND funding, lack of pay portability meaning you can more school and end up back down the pay scale, too much testing etc etc

Its not just about behaviour for me, but none of those things help with it.

Yep. Better off working at Wetherspoons

£12.50
People don’t realise how little teachers get paid. Yes £12.50 is accurate for early career teachers, and FE has removed the pay scales so if you teach 16-18 then you’re permanently stuck on that low salary.

And you get paid that amount for 40 hours but you work more like 60 hours, so actually you’re getting more like £8 per hour.

The tories are clearly to blame and the people who continued to vote for them despite all the evidence that they couldn't have cared less about education.

It's not just in schools. I coach at my local sports club and the same parents are ones kicking off about why their child is not picked in a certain position, why aren't I coaching a certain style because they watched some YouTube videos and are now experts, do not pick their kids up on time so at least one coach (volunteer) has to hang around until they arrive (no apology or thankyou), don't fill in availability forms which screws up session planning, late paying subs, always think they are entltiled to discounts, make spurious complaints, run off to the governing body to moan if they don't get their way. I honestly think at times that nobody ever has just told these people to just fuck off and stop being twats.

I've listed several things that are the fault of 14 years of Conservative underfunding.

Why is properly funding public services that deal with children 'throwing money'?

On top of it all you seem to be expected to act like none of that is happening, everything is going great and everyone in the class is doing so well
As a teacher you’re expected to understand that these are children, and therefore their actions don’t count and allowances have to be made. Even when the “child” is a 6ft tall 15st male who’s threatening to rape you. He’s not an adult so we have to let it go, we can’t even remove him from your class because he’s entitled to an education.

I left after 20 years. Taught some amazing kids, had some wonderful classes and my results were good. My department and line manager were fantastic… but I just couldn’t take any more of the shit that goes with it.

been a huge change in the last 5 years. So much toxicity and hatred from parents, from the public, from some of the students. In the last few years it’s felt more like a prison than a school. It’s survival of the fittest. Couldn’t take any more. And it’s not about the money. You could pay me double and I couldn’t have stayed. The working conditions are appalling.

The year I qualified there were 50 in my class. Obviously some of those didn’t continue teaching, and many have left since. This year there was an intake of 5! How many of them will still be teaching 10 years from now?

I don’t blame your husband for wanting out.

Not cynical just wrong.

There has been a benefit cap on 2 children for many years now.

This really isn't representative of all state schools.

I don't recognise the picture painted. I'm not doubting the account but it's certainly not the case in our school. We have an extremely low turnover and the teachers have been there for decades really. The kids are great and the parents supportive. I wouldn’t trade for private and I don't know anyone else locally who would.

Who are to blame though? do you believe that throwing more money at those parents more will sort the problem?

Perhaps you could take over teacher training.
Sift the Woke from the Non Woke.