To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

I find it bizarre that you say my posts are out of context when they were only in response to your own.

No. I am not a member of or affiliated with any political party or organisation that is. Indeed I have voted conservative in the past. I'm merely an angry member of the electorate that seen this country ruined and countless lives destroyed by years of an absolute shitshow of a self serving bunch of arseholes.

That's terrible but I think it really depends on the management in the school and how they deal with behaviour. I have worked in education since the age of 21 (I'm now 39). I was a TA and then became a Behaviour Mentor/head of behaviour in one year group and even though some of the children played up a lot, I always felt well-supported by management and always safe.

I doubt it's expertise. I remember attending an interview at a local secondary school. On being shown round the school I noted a classroom in which the pupils (students) were jumping on the tables. No-one turned a hair.

So you're choosing to ignore the improvement in literacy with this government?
The implementation of phonics was the direct result of the Rose Report.

My DD is in her 2nd year as an Early Years Practitioner (a good old fashioned Nursery Nurse), she is responsible for 15 children aged between 2 and 3 yrs old. She has been bitten, headbutted, had black eyes, bloody nose, boobs squeezed, kicked, spat on and told by a 3 year old girl she was going to get her 'fucking throat cut' by said girl. She said a lot of the children swear regularly and she has at least 4 children who are definitely SEN but when the parent consultations take place the parents of these children simply expect the Nursery to diagnose the children (rather than the parents taking the children to the GP etc. ) So it starts young it seems with some children.

They won’t because it’s wrong. I trained over 20 years ago when we had the literacy hour, then phonics came in.
I remember the day in 2010 being told our budget was to stop immediately when the new government started. I remember the new curriculum from Gove who wilfully ignored research done under labour about how children learn (the Rose report) where teachers and education experts were consulted and published his own curriculum based on his grammar school days. The curriculum is too hard for too many children and leaves them struggling and disengaged.
To try and say the Tories have done wonders for education is bizarre.

I have been a teacher for many years and mainly enjoy it, but if I had my time again I wouldn't choose this and hell will freeze over before I allow my children to become teachers. I'm glad my children are older as I dread to think what state education will be like in 10 years.

I'm in my 30s and desperate to get out but I have a child and want another and we can't absorb the payout.

@Willyoujustbequiet
do you represent Labour party here? it's ok to say this, it's an open forum, but your posts are really out of context on this thread

@MaryMaryVeryContrary totally agree and in most poor countries people eat generally relatively healthy home cooked food.

Many of the children back then, including my dad, left school at 14 out of necessity (his dad left school at 12)they had to work to help support the family. No state handouts back then. Or NHS.
Bad behaviour back then was punished harshly. Persistent criminals were sentenced to the birch, or a short sentence in a nasty institution. People tended to behave themselves because they knew what the consequences would be if caught.
I remember as child, my Dad's favourite expression was "you kids nowadays don't know your born!!" Kids didn't answer back for fear of a thick ear. Looking back my dad was probably right

This is the painful thing. We go on and on about poverty in the U.K. and how it is to blame for all manner of ills, but if you go to places with REAL poverty - the respect for education, discipline and family values are there despite incredible hardship. Why?

I listened to a podcast a while ago which was discussing poverty in Kenya and what struck the presenter was how focussed and well behaved the children were. They told her how lucky they were to be at school, their hopes for their future careers and how they wanted to earn well to look after elderly relatives. It brought me to tears actually - these were little kids around 7/8.

The only thing I can think of that ‘they’ have that ‘we’ don’t is generally a wider/closer family, no money for junk food/weed/vapes, probably much less screen use and a more outdoor lifestyle. As well as harsher discipline frankly.

Go figure 🤷🏼‍♀️

Please don't try and minimise the utterly deplorable record the government has on education. As a parent of dc with additional needs it's incredulous to me that anyone could claim the tories have have helped children with SEN. I'm not sure how someone could say that with a straight face.

I'd be staggered if any teachers agreed with you.

Really? I don't live in the UK but school attendance here was compulsory, at primary level anyway, from the late 1870s. I can't believe that it was so different in the UK.

This is so awful. I hope he is able to recover from this.
Sadly, this is what happens when all useful forms of discipline are eradicated.
Gone are the days where kids largely had respect for their elders. We are in an age where even the slightest sanction needs justifying to the nth degree, and even then you run the risk of hordes of lefties threatening you.
It's gone on for years now, and those brats have now bred. Their immense sense of entitlement is there for all to see in all aspects of life.

You're mistaken and confusing the leaving age with being in school at all.

Compulsory education came in before 1900. The school leaving age in the early 1940s was 14. Since then it's risen, gradually.

It's all too easy to trot out the usual mantra of 14 years of Tory rule. It's taken a lot longer than 14 years to get to this.
Family values and discipline have been declining for decades. Slowly it became about people's "rights " to do as they please without responsibility. No culpability for bad behaviour.
Parents wanting to be their kids mates.
The compensation culture. Little Jonny punched someone's window in .Little Jonny slashed his hand and needs stitches. Little Jonnys parent demands compo. Little Jonnys mother buys him a boom box to soothe him. Little jonny plays music loudly outside at all hours so none of the neighbours can sleep. It's Little Jonnys rights innit. And so it goes on and now the current generation of Little Jonnys are carrying machetes, slashing their way through life without a care in the world
PS apologies to all the Jonnys who are hard working respectful members of the community,including a close family member of mine, who is lovely 😍

No one should put up with these conditions in the workplace. The lack of parental responsibility in the UK is disgusting.

The phonics movement was introduced in 2007 under labour following research into reading.

The new curriculum was introduced in 2014- with SPaG and new SATs etc by Gove following many consultations about how children learn which he chose to ignore.

I can't afford private, but education is clearly a major priority to parents in private schools so they will be engaged and wanting the best possible educational outcome. That's not a certainty in state. Lots of kids don't want to be there and some parents who don't belive in education.

The schools within 20 mile radius of me could be ranked by the area they sit in. Large deprived estates are inadequate. Schools that do well aren't. There's lots of issues at play but how to fix them I have no idea

It'll still be the Tories fault because they were in power for 14 years. Endless whining about the system being 'broken'.

It was Shirley Williams who introduced comprehensive education (Labour) and the demise of the grammar schools which had enabled poor , but bright, children to have better opportunities and social mobility.

You are also conveniently ignoring the rise in literacy since this current government made phonics teaching mandatory. That in itself has helped a lot of children who have SEN or not.

Education is not valued and respected by a significant number of people in our society. It is one of the reasons why there is more inequality but you can’t force people to value education.

It is obvious from their manifestos that neither of the main political parties care about education. Presumably that is because they have polled it and realise voters don’t care either.

Remember that they opened pubs before schools after covid. The lack of outrage about that says it all.

Many of them have indeed quit and gone to Wetherspoons, or Aldi, etc. These jobs are easy to get at short notice and require no qualifications, and they pay more than teaching. I’ve known a number of teachers who’ve done this as a short term solution to escape, whilst retraining and looking for a better job.

Honestly the knowledge and expertise of British teachers is just being wasted on a massive scale. Years of training and experience, and good teachers are leaving to become personal trainers, dog walkers, nail technicians, painters and decorators, setting up Etsy shops, etc. Nothing against those jobs but they’re low skilled in comparison, it’s just a huge waste.

When it comes to low income areas it can depend on the demographic parental attitude towards education, behaviour etc. White working class boys routinely have the lowest outcomes. Other cultures have much higher aspiration when it comes to education

Disadvantaged pupils in the South West perform worse than many of their peer group in deprived areas in London.