To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

I never said that.

Funny how my Dd's school hasn't had to do away with rules. How can they manage it then?

Can you give examples of these schools that have done away with all rules? I've not come across any.

You are incredibly clueless. It's called equality.

Sorry church cats, I can't for the life of me delete your name despite editing many times 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️😊

@ChurchCatsb

I almost agree with everything you say, the only thing I'd question is if parents know they are the problem. I think they have a misguided belief that they are advocating for their children when they challenge schools.

As a a teacher, I firmly believe parenting standards have gone downhill, and therefore so has behaviour.
Many parents try to use the label of ADHD to cover their poor efforts. Yes, before I get charged at, there are children with actual ADHD, but even some with actual ADHD probably haven't been helped with endless screen usage.

I use the words 'many' and 'some', before you hit the quote button.

Also because so many parents know how unbelievably shit they are, they try to blame schools for their own shortcomings so they don't have to admit it to themselves.

What really went wrong was no longer having wider community support for struggling parents. So many just don't have a clue how to parent, and schools are left to pick up the pieces.

Why do people have to be nasty. My husband is a software engineer- my knowledge of C# is definitely wanting

I'm actually sitting in the school park now waiting to pick my primary kids up.

I can hear the parents next to the gate swearing at the top of the voices, just watched one spit. Kids running into road because parents are too busy on their phones or talking to pay notice.

And this is an infants school.

I quit teaching 13 years ago. Most of my cohort from my degree have also quit the profession.

I worked as a teacher in multiple schools across multiple counties and a different country and even in the 'nice schools', the kids and parents were pretty vile. Don't even get me started on the management.

I've withdrawn my eldest child from school and home educating him due to bullying and ineffective management and teaching. I can see me doing the same for the other when they hit secondary age.

Nope, but they'd have the potential to make a mild case that probably wouldn't have been so problematic, much worse.

If we are talking about neurological conditions, then neurological development would be a relevant point.

If, at a crucial time of neurological development, you effectively stunted or disrupted development in those who already had neurodiverse family histories you could end up with an issue. They would effectively be a cohort more vulnerable to negative outcomes from having too much screen time.

@RedToothBrush iPads and lack of parental boundaries do not cause diagnosable SEN. 9/10 you only need to look at the parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents to see where the autism or ADHD came from.

I firmly believe most cases of neurodiversity are genetic, but the changing world has made life so much more difficult to cope with.

Actually I think it's the reverse. It's over stimulation and lack of boundaries at home.

Kid plays up, gets an iPad. Not parenting. The level of social engagement and interaction with young children is much lower as a result. They don't learn social skills they need early enough.

They are hooked on the devices and the constant dopamine reward from them.

Put them into a school where they have to interact and socialise and they don't have the constant stimulus of a device and the lack of parental boundaries at home manifests.

Parents don't want to admit it. They just say they don't have time.

This

I think one of the reasons that reasonable adjustments / SEN have ‘increased’ is because everything about school is so over stimulating and not autistic or ADHD friendly.

A high-functioning Asperger’s (realise that’s a term that’s no longer used, but for reference) child of the past may have been able to cope with a restrictive uniform when everything else was low stimulation. I believe there were a lot of very bright ASD children who went undetected, and often actually celebrated for academic rigour. Now they are expected to cope with the uncomfortable uniform, harsh lighting, obnoxious brightly coloured displays, noises, constant group work and collaborations, changing teachers and supplies etc. The quirky but very intelligent child of the past, who could get on with individual class work well, is now driven to breaking point.

Like a PP I worry about the future of the workforce. OH has had a few recent employees who, as well as lacking basic numeracy, literacy and communication skills, also don't actually seem to know what a day's work entails.

Half the time their parents phone in and claim they're ill (small town - somebody has seem them out pissed the night before or flaunting it on FB) and on the rare occasions they appear, they sit and do nothing or claim they're being asked to do stuff that causes them anxiety.
They're not, they're just being asked to do stuff that are requisite of work.

Their solution - to take on a couple of 70 year olds who can count, speak, read and put in a decent shift.

No, its pure snobbery because there a plenty of great State Secondaries with empty spaces in apparently.
I sit on the Exclusion committee of my State Secondary and I regularly Thank Fuck my DC are at a Private school instead.
Behaviour is bad but a lot of the DC I see are being badly failed due to a lack of resources and shitty parenting.

Are you suggesting that children should be assaulted by parents and teachers in order to behave? I think a society that thinks physically abusing children for misbehavior has bigger issues than one with misbehaving children.

People always seem aghast at Katherine Birbalsingh's ethos, but when I read threads like this, I think we need to clone her and put a Katherine in every school with shitty behaviour.

Where will the 6,500 new teachers come from? How long will they stay? Safest teaching job I ever had was our local prison.

Until discipline issues are dealt with this will continue. Lockdown wasn't traumatic for kids, they loved being on their phones etc at home. The trauma was going back to a disciplined environment.

Yet somehow they will still know their rights despite not being able to spell them.

All the parents that have bought up these children will be crying when there is no one to teach them anymore.

Please quote verbatim where I have said violence should be a punishment in schools. Or a punishment in general.

Maybe you haven't mentioned EHCPs, but you mention adjustments. You have many times condened violence as a punishment. As I say, a quick look at her previous threads.

I don’t think anyone on this thread has said that this is every single state school have they? But even if it’s 10% and we all know it’s loads more than that, does that mean that parents in those schools who choose to move their children into private deserve the demonisation that they receive?

You see parents on here falling over themselves to explain their choices and justify their reasons for going private, when for a lot of parents, myself included, I just didn’t want my kids in the sort of chaotic, often violent and deeply damaging environment described here. Mine all did state primary, my eldest did a year of state secondary (highly sought after, over subscribed faith school in a wealthy area) and it was pure shit. Violence, appalling behaviour in lessons, low expectations, worn down staff etc. We’ve taken the massive financial hit and moved to the private sector, fully recognising our immense privilege in doing so and yes, making many sacrifices in order to do so. Teachers who can make the change to another career or move to private sector absolutely should.

Of course it’s unfair that the calm, ordered, nurturing and friendly learning environment that my kids now experience isn’t available to all, but it needs a massive societal shift to change this, rather than the race to the bottom that the hard left call for when they screech about the evils of private school.

We lived in Ireland for several years and private schools there are actually subsidised by the state. The same per-pupil € amount is paid to private schools as it is to state schools, with parents paying a top-up for the additional teachers/facilities each particular school offers. This keeps school fees down (average €3-4k a year I think, but haven’t done a recent Google) and means that private school is more accessible to many. A more mixed cohort at private means that the social and attainment gap between private and state is mostly narrower (with some exceptions for pricier schools of course), and pressure on the state sector is reduced too. Rather than penalising the sector, the government there supports it as it reduces the burden on the state-only sector and supports the overall goal of a highly educated population across the board.

Could you imagine the hysterical shrieking that would emanate from the hard left at the mere suggestion? The outcome of private school being accessible to more pupils would be completely lost in the howls of ‘subsidising the rich’ and ‘perpetuating inequality’ and ‘if I can’t afford it, no one else should have it’.

Excuse me? Are you confusing me with another poster? I have never condoned violence as a school punishment , and I’ve certainly never said I don’t believe in ND. I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned EHCPs, I know nothing about them.