To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

Yeah the past couple of months has been hard, she's been going to school since 3 years old no problem...no ship has sailed, just not resorting to brut force. But thankyou, I feel so enriched by your input.

Yeah this and then they wonder why children of immigrants are doing better than non-immigrant kids of the same social class. One group is more likely to have parents that value education and respecting teachers than the other. This doesn’t apply to everyone but there’s a reason why there’s tutor groups and centres set up in diverse areas of cities where many kids are not that rich. It’s not unusual for poor immigrant families to scrape their last pennies out to pay for tutors.

My friend I mentioned upthread is happy enough to buy iPhones outright for her kids but balked at the idea of finding some free or affordable group or individual tutoring for her kid. My mum was the opposite.

Oh my gosh this is utterly appalling and I am so sorry this has happened to your Husband and by extension you.

It is not your DH.

However solution could be an online teaching career?

Got out of teaching years ago. I once made the mistake of telling the school principal at really rough school that someone had thrown a pebble at the whiteboard. I got zero support and was glibly told to "be more assertive". Thank God I'm out of that asylum!

Well given the amount of abuse that is going on in schools, I really don’t blame children for not wanting to go!

Well, I don’t know you, and at 15 I think the ship may have sailed, but I’m genuinely surprised how you managed to raise a 15 year old (assuming no SEN) who refuses to go to school? I mean, school isn’t optional?

All I can say is that had I refused to go to school, I would’ve been sent flying out of the door and into school. But then again, immigrant parents, IYKYK.

Perhaps I just don’t understand British parenting - it does seem excessively permissive.

Wow.

Plenty of kids would be perfectly able to learn the maths if they had more time building the foundations they need first. If they don't have a solid understanding of place value or the basic operations then it is pointless teaching them about fractions, decimals and percentages. If they don't really understand division they haven't got a hope of understanding dividing fractions. It's just too much too soon, not too much altogether.

As for the grammar I stand by my stance that it is just plain unnecessary. I'm not alone in having managed to get through life and qualifications without knowing this stuff. Michael Rosen has some interesting stuff to say about the grammar and all that is wrong with the way it is taught and tested.

@Papyrophile oh come on 🤦‍♀️. I am inclined to think you would not pass the most recent SATS papers for 10/11 year olds.

However, there is also stupid and slow @Garibaldhead. if an 11 year old doesn't get it, then there's a reason to release them to earn money at 12 picking veg. There's a very old saying: you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. The slightly more sophisticated riff on it: you can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think. Some people don't have the capacity but it shouldn't mean they go without options to make an honest and decent living.

@Garibaldhead you are right. I have a first class degree in English. (My grammar still needs work at times 😬)

Yet, the recent SATS paper I saw shocked me! I couldn't answer half those questions. So many kids struggle with all this as my son tells me. Why on earth do they need to know about all this rubbish. No one cares about prepositions or whatever word is used to describe the composition of a sentence! The maths paper was ridiculous.
The curriculum is absolutely beyond a joke. It is such a ridiculous waste of time and a waste of all those little brains that could be learning important and valuable lessons for life, living independently etc.

So many kids really are set up to fail.

There is no such thing as "too high" standards.

I think you have missed my point. I have been in y6 as a TA and the children absolutely are taught this stuff. My point was that it is too hard for a lot of them and they didn't really understand or learn it. Sitting in lessons that they don't understand is a big reason why a lot of children disengage and behaviour deteriorates.

At the time I was in y6 we did see some awful behaviour but it was dealt with and on the whole lessons ran smoothly. However, I now work in secondary and there is a lot more disruptive behaviour there. Most of the time it is dealt with and the lesson continues ( it can be a lot of hhard work from the teacher that makes that happen though) but sometimes the whole lesson gets derailed and heaven help us when it's a supply teacher.

That’s awful, I’m so sorry.

When I was in school a pregnant TA got punched in the stomach, my friends and I were absolutely distraught but the boy responsible had nothing to say except to spit poison and blame the poor TA.

I hope he’s grown up to be ok, his home life was terrible and he will be an age to have children of his own by now. It would be a shame for history to be repeating itself.

I’m not sure what is pampered about having a parent who can’t even be arsed to pick up a sick child from school or go to A&E. Surely that’s the opposite.

They are pampered, they get everything offered such as support from many professionals and teams, free meals, clothing grants and their kids get holidays away fully funded, we bend over backwards to get them and their kids the help they need. Many refuse to accept the help and don’t engage, most of these people won’t even come to collect their child when sick from school or if we ring and say they need to go to hospital, the immediate response is can’t you do it, we had a belter say she couldn’t attend because she was getting her extensions done so could we take her child to A&E - she was on the bones of her arse days earlier. The majority of these parents can’t parent!

Just my opinion, probably not allowed one these days….

I have family in the Balkans and I'm being told the same.

Bizarre

I think alot of respect has gone out of society. I don’t think Boris helped with his leadership style. We don’t need a comedian to run the country. I don’t care if they are boring, if they do a good job that’s the most important thing.

Also I think standards are to high. Yes of course standards are a good thing, but conservatives seem to be disproportionate in their views of things.

Couldn’t agree with you more. Parents are their children’s first teachers and as such should be teaching them that such behaviour is not ok.

Also abuse towards teachers from the parents is inexcusable, what on earth is going on?

Please remove "State' from your postvand insert 'any'. Thank you

So much depends on the school, who ur line manager is, ur own personal authority to take charge and run good lessons and whether you are backed or not.

You can be absolutely heading for nervous breakdown at one school, and really enjoy another.
That's been my experience anyway. Been a secondary teacher for nearly 30 years.

In which part of the country does your husband teach?

You do know all of this is shop window dressing?

Top show that's all it is and if you think that the majority of children are learning all this amidst the chaos that we have had described to us on this thread, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Some will learn some of it, no doubt, but anyone who thinks that there are rows of polite and well behaved children, with beaming faces, learning all this need to be taken by the hand to a place where they can do no harm.

Exactly! Those threats are a joke.